it's going to take about 2 hours to upload, and it's using the bitjazz.com codec but this should be the best 35mmLetus reel-stream.com footage ever seen on the net...make sure you have the bitjazz.com codec installed to view, and the file is 148megs!

give it 2 hours to upload on our ftp

dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi

let me know your thoughts! and don't harp on me for the "spot" in the image, it's only dirt on the glass ;)

Downloaded reader from bitjazz.com, installed but cannot view the file, any idea? thanks.

Quyen

can't get it to play... sure its good though..

Would love to see the footage but says error with the codec installed. Is there a way you could post a different codec please?

it's AVI for PC and you MUST have the bitjazz.com free PLAYER codec installed to view...

www.bitjazz.com

this is as close to a RAW HD file as you will get, the sheer codec is used for DI work on lots of stuff. it's great

hi obin, can you post an h264 version for us mac users?

fill me in on this H264 codec, why is it so great?

fill me in on this H264 codec, why is it so great?
well, for one, i'll be able to see it. ;-P

apple uses it for their hd trailers.

more here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/h264/

Obin,
Looks like noone can veiw your clip even after installing the codec.

I am confused however, the clip in an avi, to play in media player, right? But the codecs on bitjazz.com seem to be for quicktime player. i tried playing the file in quicktime also but no luck.

Please give more info about installing and what player to use, we are very interested.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Well, the free reader is the only thing I can figure out to download. And that doesn't install on a non english Windows XP. The manual installation only mention how to installl the plugin into Quicktime. It looks as it's only the beta that supports AVI or?

Can't get it to play either.

Looks like a codec with lots of potential. Installs on Mac and PC. But can't play your movie after install. Maybe your encoding got screwed up (I can play the sheervideo stuff on their website OK).

I also just installed their encoder (20-day trial). My original file was 230 MB. After encoding with sheer, twice (2 different settings), it's now at 462 MB, and there's a huge gamma shift (not what I'd call "perfect" by any stretch.)

Quote:"Obin Olson: fill me in on this H264 codec, why is it so great?"

With H264, no visual change in picture, and file size went from 230 MB to 13 MB. Downside is, it takes a lot longer to compress. But that's because it does such a great job . . .

Glen

hmmm...well....h264 is mac only right?

No, it comes with Quicktime 7, which is available on PC as well...

Can't get the sheervideo to play either... , but I would be interested to see it in a lossless codec, could you try to make a .mov in the sheervideo codec please?

Thnx, Steven

for the people that have installed the sheervideo codec, what happens when you try and play the file?

I also just installed their encoder (20-day trial). My original file was 230 MB. After encoding with sheer, twice (2 different settings), it's now at 462 MB, and there's a huge gamma shift (not what I'd call "perfect" by any stretch.)


Wait... Are you saying your file size doubled after the compression?
About the gamma shift, with a lossless codec, every pixel in every frame should be identical to those in the original, so there's something strange going on there...

On the bitjazz-site there is a link to some awful footage apperently coded with sheervideo. If I were them I'd remove it... It looks like it's 4 bit color...

Installed codec, double clip your video, opens media player, media player gives an error "The specified module could not be found"

What player is needed, media player or quicktime?

Wayne.

for the people that have installed the sheervideo codec, what happens when you try and play the file?

Nothing happens, the free decoder you can download installs in the quicktime directory, but quicktime can't do anything with it since it is .avi. I also tried media player classic, it says it can't find the codec...

Steven

Try encoding it with a more popular codec, like DivX or Xvid. Both of them are free and can be downloaded from the DivX site.

Quote Steven F. "Wait... Are you saying your file size doubled after the compression?"
Yes. I tried it twice, thinking I'd done something wrong. Tried 2 different settings. Maybe it just "compresses" everything to be of HD size or something.
As for the gamma shift, that happened consistently as well. Perhaps it's still in beta . . .

I can play avi's using Quicktime on my mac, but Obin's file comes up large and . . . black. It's very even, though, and no noise that I can see ;)

Glen
PS To export in H.264 with Quicktime, you may have to buy the pro version for $30 from Apple, although there are other H.264 encoders for the PC out there. It's basically the latest generation of the mpeg-4 standard, and can play HD footage at less than 1MB/sec with no visual loss in picture quality.

Obin is an odd fellow.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi
(right click, save as option)

EDIT: I would guess you need to be a beta tester for the AVI version.

I can't make head nor tail of this. Downloaded the 148mb AVI. Read the JAZZ stuff. Was at complete loss as to what I should be downloading for free to view. I would really liked to have seen your footage. Gotta move on!

Best regards,

Grazie

To export in H.264 with Quicktime, you may have to buy the pro version for $30 from Apple, although there are other H.264 encoders for the PC out there. It's basically the latest generation of the mpeg-4 standard, and can play HD footage at less than 1MB/sec with no visual loss in picture quality.

There is (some) visible loss, but it's still phenomenal considering the bitrate. Too bad it runs choppy on my computer... Oh well, let the upgrade games begin (again) :)

Steven

"no visual loss in quality" sounds a lot like visually lossless, and h264 is certainly not visually lossless at 75:1 compression, even if it is very good. Also at such compression and resolution it is likely to require much more cpu power to decompress, so anyone with <3ghz intel 2ghz amd and 2 ghz g5 probably would be stuck watching it in slow mo.

glen,
what are you compressing with sheervideo? if its anything other than uncompressed >=4:2:2 footage, sheervideo will make it larger since it is a lossless format. keep in mind it supports rgb and 4:2:2 so if for example you compress dv 4:1:1, you are adding 0.25x or 0.66x the original data and then compressing it only ~2.5x. that would leave you with a file greater than twice the size of dv since dv is 5x compression. now if you are going from 8bpp to 10bpp that adds data as well (and might affect the gamma?)

I can't get it to work either, I think to view it through Bitjazz free player the file needs to be quicktime. I'm dying to see this footage though!

is this like some kind of advertisement scheme "BEST FOOTAGE" and we are all left downloading a free codec I've never heard of and then it doens't even work...hmm what's going on here man?
:)

I think it's encoded with the avi-beta and the free codec doesn't support avi at the moment. There are a lot of codecs on the market so it's a matter of taste.

I'm just posting this so I can right-click on it and save the file.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi

I'm just posting this so I can right-click on it and save the file.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi

I think it's encoded with the avi-beta and the free codec doesn't support avi at the moment. There are a lot of codecs on the market so it's a matter of taste.

Psst guys, 6 posts above both of you.

Obin is an odd fellow.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi
(right click, save as option)

EDIT: I would guess you need to be a beta tester for the AVI version.

Imitation is a form of flattery.

I WILL encode with a new codec, in the mean time, can someone try After Effects and see if you can open it? I really don't know what the heck is going on, Sheer is great!

Imitation is a form of flattery.


::blushes::

I WILL encode with a new codec, in the mean time, can someone try After Effects and see if you can open it? I really don't know what the heck is going on, Sheer is great!
Same thing. No such avi-decoder or something.

I tried with after effects,

after effects error:no such AVI compressor

Wayne.

Hi Obin,

The sheer reader is quicktime only at this stage. You must be a beta tester of the AVI version to be able to play the files. Why not encode to a .MOV file with sheer?

Joel

Yes, I second that, I would also like to see the uncompressed footage in sheer .mov-format

3 pages long and no ones seen the video? Damn.

I tried to open it with wordpad...SMOKE! SMOKE!! Brand new laptop! I hear sirens coming already..

Dude,
Can you just post the thing in another format so that we can view it?
Must it be this format only?

If you want a mass audience, better find someone that can encode a video clip in formats that people actually own, like .wmv or .mov.

be nice to obin.. he's a busy man..

..although.. after all this fuss.. this video better be pretty F-ing great..

.jk...

:)

atleast re-format it by tomorrow... I'll have something to look forward to after my midterm :D

it's compressed, but looks good:

www.dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus_h264.mov


h264, hope all the mac people are happy now ;)

it's compressed, but looks good:

www.dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus_h264.mov


h264, hope all the mac people are happy now ;)


Yes, yes and yes.

Yes yes yes . . here too in London!

Spinning Squash! How . . how Halloween is that!

Grazie

Obin, I took the liberty to fool around a bit with your images. It seemed like there was a color shift. I moved some colors (mainly the red channel) a pixel or two.

The original:

http://www.lesoup.com/fileadmin/user_upload/kurt_augustyns/letus35/Letus_h264_orig.jpg

The shifted:

http://www.lesoup.com/fileadmin/user_upload/kurt_augustyns/letus35/Letus_h264_px_shift.jpg

The blurred parts of the paper come out better. Less blue, more paper. Also the annoying red lines where the image is sharp seem to be gone. I don't know what it would do to others objects or talent.

All things considered, I still hope for sharper results from these adapters (in my humble eyes, a 'film look' is very very sharp where it should be sharp, so soft seems like nonsense to me). Perhaps, video is the limit for now, which, considering the cost, would be fine for me.

I letterboxed it and played a bit more. Well, too much actually, but the point is, with a little help it really can look good. This is a pumpkin that I could eat...

Letterboxed as video resolution (pal) and some obvious tricks:

http://www.lesoup.com/fileadmin/user_upload/kurt_augustyns/letus35/Letus_h264_videores_tinkered.jpg

Just a notice. Those color things can quite easily be corrected in Final Cut Pro and therefore I guess also in Premiere or whatever you are using.

Thanks Kurt (and Obin ofcourse) for your work,
Since I am a newbie with in this internet/codec/format/computer world I was not able to capture any stillimage of this footage and I could not study the material like you have done.
Seriously, I really feel that Letus35 is very interesting to my purposes.
When I look at your stills, it seems to me that the focus is shifting, it is closer on the right and more faraway on the left. I do not believe that this is typical for Letus35
So far Obin has not said anything about the equipment he has been using so it is difficult to know the reason for this but I guess you did not do that (focus shift) with your tools.
In general, about all what I have seen done with Letus35, it seems to me that the most difficult thing with Letus35 is to keep all the surfaces clean.

Pekka, You're right about the focus shift. My only guess is that depth is so shallow, that the left part in the still is just a bit closer to the lens and therefore not entirely focussed.

I also think you are right about the dust.

<<<Letterboxed as video resolution (pal) and some obvious tricks:>>>>

Kurt, this makes me wonder...lower resolution, obvious tricks (unsharp masks for one) and it really looks better than the original.
It seems to me that real-stream captures the image without the same obvious built-in camcorder tricks and now we know why the manufacturers use those tricks.

I got word that the color shift is a mistake in the offset of the reel-stream output, I can fix it on render to HD...