View Full Version : The Videographer's Profession : Does it Still Exist?
Marty Hamrick March 18th, 2014, 09:38 AM Hi Folks:
OK, I've been shooting video since before it was video. It was that funky stuff that required a lab, smelly chemicals and a staff of hard working , smart techs to make it visible on the screen. I suppose it's the natural tendency for technological advancement to chip away at skilled job markets, I mean, I'm a businessman too, so I know that people are your biggest expense and potentially your biggest drama headache in whatever business you're in. I get it.
I've worked staff, been self employed before and done the freelance thing. basically unless you're in a click and/or willing to go into debt for gear that will be obsolete within 6 months, you ain't getting any paying work. Your profession is basically a hobby so you better have a gig outside of the industry or be independently wealthy enough to support it.
I'm not posting this to vent and rant as these are self evident realities to anyone who's looked for a job in videography and bitching it about does as much good as complaining about the weather. I get it.
I want to know if my assessment is accurate. Are any of you making good money on your gear and how long did it take to get your investment back? What type of stuff are you shooting? I remember back in the 80's I had a production company and it was a never ending battle of updating gear, which explains why the production companies of yesteryear when I was interning are nothing resembling what they are today. Yet, this seems to be the way of all business not just video, it's just the nature of the economy, here again, I get it.
It's just that if you do the math on what most of these people who advertise on trade sites that say they need videographers, you'll find their pay is real crap if anything at all. Here again, I understand why, it's a simple supply/demand thing, doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand it. How the hell are videographers making a living?
How many of you are full time videographers? I don't mean that you're working staff at a TV station or that you scrape the poverty line while you're living in your mom's basement, I want to know if you're making an adequate amount without suffering from Starving Artist Syndrome. If you are making a decent living, are you really just a videographer, or are you videographer,producer,director, editor, actor and sales manager as well? I'm just sitting here doing the math on what the latest gear costs and what most of these nimrods are paying. It just doesn't add up. I've spent the better part of the last decade working for a news station and watched my profession disappear really quickly. Most of the old geezers like me, if they're still working are just counting the days till retirement while they're being replaced by what my old chief photographer used to call the 23/23 plan. 23K for a 23 year old "MMJ" or "MoJo" as they're called to replace the expense of a photog/reporter engineer team. I'm looking for the management of these places to tell these kids when they go out for their assignments to shove a broom up their asses and sweep the floor on their way out because they don't want to spend money on a janitorial staff. Is there anything left of the profession? It never was a get rich quick ticket, but at least you could make a living back in the day.
Bill Ward March 18th, 2014, 11:11 AM Marty: you are largely spot on. There are still many talented shooters working, but there's also been an influx of race-to-the-bottom newbies over the past 15 years or so, and this has created some challenges for freelancers.
Once upon a time, back in the Betacam/Varicam/HDCam tape days, and pre Canon 5D mkII, a decent camera and gear setup ran north of $100K, so this limited the pool of practicioners a bit. The day rates reflected, generally, the cost of the gear.
But as cameras grew smaller and cheaper, and the quality of what a little camera could deliver skyrocketed, there was an inevitable democratization of the industry. I paid over $100K for an HDCam in 2005, started trying to sell it in 2009...and finally unloaded it in early 2011 for less than 10 cents on the dollar.
Now I see laments on the boards that in LA, shooters with Epics are going for $300/day...with the camera. Not sure how the economics of that work out. For myself, I quit chasing the latest gear, and bought a couple of used cameras for cash (in my case, an EX-3 and an F3) which serve the work in my market very well.
Other shooters have found or created niches that are still very lucrative for them, and have at least a few clients that bring budgets big enough to support wonderful platforms like Arri, or the F55 or a Phantom. More power to them. Maybe it's a moral failing on my part, but after 17 years in news, and then another 20 years of playing the freelance game, I'm just as happy to keep my gear modest, not chase the big projects as hard, and spend a little more time fishing.
One positive swing of the pendulum I see is that when the Betacam era stranglehold on camera choice was broken, there was nearly a decade of Wild West cameras and platforms unleashed, with a "flavor of the day" issue constantly popping up as production assistants called looking for the XXX camera, and only that one would do. As the file-based media cameras and editing systems matured, I think we're finally seeing that soften a bit, as most edit houses and production companies can integrate nearly any modern camera into their workflow.
But there still seems to be a race to the bottom day rate war going on, which makes life that much more difficult for everyone.
Don Bloom March 18th, 2014, 12:02 PM I'm at the point in my career and life that my main source of income for the last 30 years which was weddings and other social events, has now been relegated off my "to do" list and now what work I am doing is corporate...seminars, talking heads etc which I have always done but am concentrating on more now even though I am considering myself mostly retired. I still want to work some and make some money so my wife and I can travel a bit.
As for gear, I was never really a gear chaser and even today my main camera is the trusty old JVC HM700. Frankly if I do need something else, I rent it but for the majority of work that I am supplying gear, it works fine and the clients are happy.
A lot of my work over the years has been cam op for various AV companies here in town. They get a job to supply gear for a 2 or 3 day show and they need to supply cam ops, lighting guy, V1 and 2, A1 and 2...I'm the guy (well one of them anyway) they call to run camera. Great, walk in at call time, shows over for the day, I leave. End of show, I'll strike the camera gear, turn in my invoice and get paid. No muss, no fuss. HOWEVER.....5 years ago, they stopped paying for parking which in downtown Chicago can be as much as $50.00 per day. Haven't been able to increase my rate more than a few dollars since 2008 even though they know me, trust me and know the average is a bit higher than I'm getting. Why? well because the bottom of the barrel kids fresh out of school are out there and the companies know they can hire them for a lot less than me and I know that too so even though I'm not getting as much as I should, I'm still making a living, getting the hours and days, not having to schlepp my gear when I do work for the AV companies and I have no hassles or headaches at the end of the day.
The work that I do on my own for my own clients is fairly easy, mostly now talking heads and most of that I use my gear but they supply the cards, I shoot, hand them the cards and an invoice and I'm done. I still am using 2008 rates but again, I'm not busting my butt get treated pretty well by the clients, am making a living and at 67 years of age, that's about all I can ask anymore.
So is there still a "Videographers Profession"? Yeah I think there is just not quite the same as it was not all that long ago.
James Manford March 18th, 2014, 12:18 PM It's certainly not easy to establish yourselves now as it was a 5-6 years ago.
Tim Polster March 18th, 2014, 12:48 PM I think a common theme here is that the "market", whatever market you are in has changed a lot. Low cost without a care for much quality has invaded the space. (this is for providers and customers).
All media be it video, photography, music etc... is a commodity now. With the interwebs in everybody's pocket 24 hours a day, a lot of value has left our world. You don't need to own anything because you can just access it whenever you need it from the web. So this results in being trained to not pay for anything as the first choice.
For my work, I am always trying to find niches where the quality of the product is still important to some and a professional's touch actually does make a difference. I think you have to bring a lot of value these days just to get people to pay some kind of rate. You guys mention 2008 rates, but that is really the case. Some quotes I will look at and think "I am thinking of putting down a lower amount than I would have back in the SD days..."
As far as gear, I am a bit optimistic in this area. Especially wiht 4k. At some point this gear craze has to level out and I think it will be at 4k. Once it does level out we can just own our cameras and not have to be in this perpetual upgrade cycle. This depends on your market and work type, but seriously, I still delivery a ton a stuff on DVD and that will not change for a long time.
I do a lot of different types of work, video and photography and being a salesman is becoming more and more important. People are feeling very empowered by their little devices thse days and the pull to do it themselves is pretty strong. Tech savy and talent/experience are not the same thing and it really helps to make that known if you want to sell your services today.
Marty Hamrick March 18th, 2014, 01:13 PM Thank you, gentlemen. makes sense and bears out well with what I'm seeing. I have a Canon Gl-1 that I bought at a pawn shop in Jacksonville, Florida for 20 bucks. It's going to be my youtube puppy cam for the most part, documenting my dog, Loki's antics for youtube, however I'm doing a spec job with it this summer for a friend who's invented a new type of pool cleaner.
Looking back over the last 30 years, the biggest mistake I made was trusting that my profession was always going to be there. I arrogantly thought that my talents and experience was what made the project professional and foolishly believed that people would still pay for it. If I had it to all over again, I would've done something else that was initially more lucrative and done video on the side like a lot of folks. Looking into my other options so like some of you say, the wife and I could travel.
Al Gardner March 18th, 2014, 01:32 PM Tim,
The gear craze will never end. There's already talk of 8K.
Things have changed considerably I'll admit but much of the bigger factors are still the same. And the cream still rises to the top. There are still people in your market and mine that are doing better work and being compensated for it. And I think that's fair and the same as it always has been.
I wish I could show you guys a speaker I recently filmed on the subject of bringing business through the door in this environment. One take away was stop trying to sell that trumped up company name you dreamed up. Sell yourself......people don't like companies, they like other people. Even big companies like Ford etc...are producing commercials now that hardly have their name on it. They are trying to get away from that company thing and connect with you on a personal level.
The other takeaway was building and MAINTAINING relationships. I may never be as good from a skills perspective as someone else in my market. But I do know guys in my market who are mediocre at best and still pulling down some serious income. And it's all because they have built ironclad relationships that even the best guy in town can't penetrate. Relationships require regular maintenance.
It's not about the kids, it's not about equipment or youtube, it's about us embracing change and meeting life on life'[s terms. Ask Tina Turner,The Big Wheel keeps On Turning!
Finn Yarbrough March 18th, 2014, 02:28 PM ...I want to know if you're making an adequate amount without suffering from Starving Artist Syndrome. If you are making a decent living...are you videographer,producer,director, editor, actor and sales manager as well?
"Yes" and "yes" (no acting, though)
As the technology improves and becomes more affordable, it's natural that the market will demand more for less, since, quite frankly, better work can be produced in less time.
We (husband/wife team) just wrapped up our third year of business as videographers, and finally supporting our family properly. No debt, low overhead, we rely on creativity and pre-production to make the most out of the budgets that we have to work with. We have to provide all of the services that you listed above, and we don't really mind doing it either. It gives our professional lives some balance and diversity.
It never bodes well to blame "the kids." Sure, they might work for free, but can they really hold a candle to the hard-won expertise of a professional? Would you rather that they be paid your rate for their works-in-progress? Let those jobs go, they aren't jobs.
If we find ourselves regularly competing for jobs with film students, something's not quite right, and it's not the kids' fault.
Noa Put March 18th, 2014, 02:55 PM I have a Canon Gl-1 that I bought at a pawn shop in Jacksonville, Florida for 20 bucks. It's going to be my youtube puppy cam for the most part, documenting my dog, Loki's antics for youtube
That has been replaced these days with something that fit's in your inside pocket and shoots better video, keeps you connected to the world, runs your business and one day I"m sure can set a cup of coffee.
I remember when I started my business not so long ago (2005) the photogs where complaining because up until that moment you where required to provide a license that proved you where skillful enough to perform the profession of photography and suddenly, because of the digital age, the government decided that was not necessary anymore leaving the door open for anyone with the budget to buy a camera to call themselves a cameraman.
I have seen my dad, God rest his soul, editing vhs tapes together, from weddings he shot, I have seen him carrying large vhs tape recorders around his shoulder and a videolight on camera that could light a stadium, those where the days a videographer was a specialty job, just like when you get sick, you went to a doctor, if you wanted to have something filmed, you called a videographer, he always did this as a hobby but if he really wanted he could have made a living out of it just shooting weddings, birthdayparties etc.
Today everyone can point a camera and shoot video, this has lead to the fact that if you wanted to survive shooting weddings with a videocamera that is something you can forget around these parts, photographers however can manage a lot better but I have seen competition grow as well where they have to stay until past midnight at weddings where in the past they always stopped in the afternoon, right after the photosession. Photogs are also stepping more on video turf as the transition is much easier as it once was, some just take pretty moving pictures not really caring much about trivial stuff like sound, as long as the price it right and if your lens is big enough you can sell about anything. 10 years ago it would have been unimaginable to see a photog being interested in video.
Video is not my only source of income but if that would have been the case I certainly would become a photographer only doing video only to fill a few gaps in my bookings.
Justin Molush March 18th, 2014, 02:59 PM If I had it to all over again, I would've done something else that was initially more lucrative and done video on the side like a lot of folks. Looking into my other options so like some of you say, the wife and I could travel.
Video can still be quite lucrative but given the accessibility of everything, the professional needs to be more than a cam op or just editor. What was originally divided as separate professions, now has come under the umbrella of video production. Conceptualize, shoot, edit, FX/composite, color grade, and all steps in between are now within the scope of understanding with a few years of work to ANY individual out there.
The solution? Be badass at SOMETHING. Be an idea guy, have a distinct style, be a shooter known for X Y or Z and either sell yourself as that or be a super specialist in something. Just knowing how to operate a camera isn't enough anymore. Technical skills don't sell, ideas do.
Don Bloom March 18th, 2014, 03:26 PM Let me add a few thoughts since there's been some great additional thoughts here.
First, yes an iphone 4 or better yet 5 will take far superior video than some of the older models of DV cameras and a lot of people are now using DSLRs for video as attested to right here on DVi and I have always maintained that if the DSLR is appropriate for the job sure why not but the real question is can you make a living being a videoperson today.
IMO the answer is YES BUT you do need to diversify and be flexible enough to know how to do other things. Maybe you don't need to be a V1 but you can help yourself if you know how to be a V2, if you know how to use some camera gear beside the one you own.
It's an ever changing profession and some people find other areas of the business to go into while others will just get out. That's the way it is.
Again can you make a living today? YES! I still am and I'm an old dog who's set in his ways. Some might say I'm a crotchety old man (mostly my kids say that) but I can still throw a camera on my shoulder and shoot a good interview or a webamerrical. The difference today for me from even 10 years ago, I get to choose. I'm not taking any work that I don't want to take and I can still make a decent living or at least enough to pay for the next few cruises.
Is it as easy today as it was 5 or 10 years ago? Probably not. Do you have to work as hard now as 5 or 10 years ago to maintain your business? You bet. Is it a great way to make a living? I believe it is.
Roger Gunkel March 18th, 2014, 04:25 PM A lot of the worries expressed here about lack of work/money compared to a few years ago, seems as much about fear of the younger generation coming in with less experience, cheap gear and low prices. It's also notable that many of the contributors on the forum in the events section, are at the older end of the working age group, including myself.
Throughout industrial history, those that have spent years building skills and perfecting their craft, have resisted or resented change and new technology that threatened their income. The changes have usually been instigated and embraced by younger people who don't have the years of skill acquisition to protect and often resent the entrenched position of many older people.
As the world and technology changes, we need to change and adapt with it and build new income streams. It is no longer necessary to spend tens of thousands of pounds/dollars on recording and editing equipment to produce high quality end product. I can well remember the large number of editing and facilities houses that could be hired for putting your production together and the highly skilled people necessary to do that. Now though, for a few hundred pounds, a perfectly adequate computer editing system can be used to edit hd footage from a few hundred pound camera, which will match or even exceed the hugely expensive systems of only a few years ago. We can add animated 3d graphics, multi layered video streams, chroma keying and multi soundtracks, all from the comfort of our lounge if we want. We can even stick a camera on a cheap quadcopter and take aerial footage if we feel so inclined.
Most of my life I have also been a musician, and was one of the early musicians who started using my own backing tracks for live shows in the early '70s. I used simple drum machines and multi tracking to build my backings and soon had bands and musicians complaining that I was taking work away from other musicians, such as drummers, bass players etc. My response to that was that each member of a band now had the opportunity to use the same technology to create different types of work and that things were changing.
So basically, use your imagination, find some new ideas and directions and take advantage of the global market that is available to all of us.
Roger
Tim Polster March 18th, 2014, 04:43 PM Good thread going. One thing I have noticed around this site is the business section has been very quiet over the past year or two. It used to be very active.
Maybe it all kind of evens out - Lower gear costs/lower rates. If we do not need to spend so much on gear, we might end up with the same take home pay as when the gear cost more and rates were higher. The problem is everything else in your life costs more as well.
Don Bloom March 18th, 2014, 04:52 PM Tim
Good point. Lower cost gear=lower rates. My question is why? It cost's me more to live today than it did in the 70s or 80s or 90s or even 5 years ago so more all accounts our rates should be higher. The problem is people are afraid of posting a higher rate since there's always someone out there who will undercut that higher rate and besides if I don't pay $10,000 for my camera but only paid $2500, I don't need to charge as much. So it goes round and round until you can't pay your bills then you go out of business.
I agree with you that lower gear cost might equal lower rates...my argument is that it shouldn't. The client isn't really paying for my gear. They're paying for my experience, my technical knowledge, my artistic ability, maybe even my winning personality (I said maybe) but most of all they're paying for me to be able to do an outstanding job for them. Pay Me! :-)
Tim Polster March 18th, 2014, 05:38 PM I totally agree. I am just trying to find a silver lining to the demise!
It seems the best way to stay around is to own your gear, not upgrade until you have to and be a jack of many trades (including salesman and marketer). I try to do all of the above although I am an image quality/gear nut. So I have some challenges.
Chris Harding March 18th, 2014, 06:37 PM Hi Guys
I shoot video full time and yes I make a living. Probably the reason I can is that I'm not an artist/creative cinematic genius I'm just a videographer!! If you take your craft as a viable business then yes you can make a living but you do have to hold back on buying new gear every time a new camera comes out. I try to keep my capital expenditure to 10% of my turnover and it works well.
The biggest issue making a living is costing. Being a wedding videographer mainly I hear the creative "film makers" doing a 10 hour wedding shoot and then spending 3 weeks (8 hours a day) painstakingly doing colour corrections, trimming and effects and then they cry like babies about not being able to make a living!
The bottom line is yes you can certainly make a living with video as a profession BUT it has to be a business not an artistic past time you charge for. If your market in your area expects a wedding to cost $2000 and you need to make $100 an hour the math is pretty simple ... you have 20 hours to shoot and edit (a little less actually cos there are running costs too) so if you take 3 weeks fiddling around you are not going to make any money!! Any business, including video will work as long as you treat it as a business and make a profit!!
Chris
Don Bloom March 18th, 2014, 08:37 PM Tim,
I'm sure there is a "Silver Lining" but it may not be exactly as we want it to be. I'll bet that the very large majority of those of us that are freelancers/independent contractors are the type of person like I am. I'm hard headed, an independent thinker and do not work or play well with bosses. By that I mean if I had to punch a clock and do a 9 to 5 with someone telling me what I had to do and when to take lunch or go to the bathroom I'd either stick a fork in my eye or I would wind up in jail for assaulting an idiot. As a freelancer of course I have "bosses" but I only have to put up with that person for the length of the job be it 1 day or 1 week and I found out years ago I can do anything for a short time.
So a Silver Lining? Some might say NO, me I wouldn't have it any other way. I get to choose and I can only live my life in that way otherwise, I'm not being true to myself.
On the other hand Chris H. my friend I agree with you 100%. when the opportunities came to me to be an "artist" and let my creativity flow like the river, generally that happened on something other than a wedding but once in a while it did but ONLY if I got paid and most only wanted a clear proper sounding document of the event. Other than having to hustle like a mad man, which earlier in my life and career I enjoyed, the wedding business wasn't a bad way to make a living with a bunch of corporate stuff thrown in for good measure and money. As you know about 2 years ago I decided I didn't like the wedding biz anymore and now I can say I am enjoying my life more and more. Maybe I just got disalussioned or just lost the fire but in any case no matter what kind of work one does, you must approach it like a business and do the business thing first before you "pull the trigger" because if you don't you'll be out of business and working for someone else.
I've said it before, I can teach my 15 year old grandson how to shoot but running a business....well that would take a lot more work. Shooting, editing, all that tech stuff is only half the job. Getting the work, pricing it right, keeping clients, keeping them reasonably happy, keeping them coming back (except for weddings) getting referrals...oh yeah and making a PROFIT (not a dirty word) and keeping the business going. That's the real trick. At least IMO! ;-)
Chris Harding March 18th, 2014, 08:52 PM Hey Don
I'm glad someone agrees with me. Sometimes I truly shake my head when I see posts here that say "I have been working full time on this bride's video edit for the last 3 weeks and now I have a problem" ... So in a nutshell he probably got around $2K for the wedding .. he has driven out to her house to sign her up and also spend 10 hours at the shoot and now after 21 days of editing he has logged up 200 hours of his time, never mind all the other expenses!! Now let's see ..200 hours (being generous!) for $2000 makes his time worth a whole $10.00 an hour. I would rather flip burgers at McDonalds !!
Chris
Marty Hamrick March 18th, 2014, 09:45 PM And the cream still rises to the top
That's true, but never forget, crap also floats. You see that in any good ole boy system. Thanks for the replies. I don't blame the kids or anyone for that matter as change is something that will always happen. I just wonder if this change is always going to be a good thing or if it's just happening too fast for everyone to figure out what to make a living with. I've seen some gorgeous weddings, a lot of creativity added to them, if weddings were my thing, I might pursue that, but weddings were something I did quite a bit of in the early days and I have less than zero interest in pursuing them.
I know the pocket vidiot cameras make a better picture than the Gl-1, I still like the creative control in a camera like the Gl-1.
I don't even see how folks are making any money in porn anymore with so much free stuff on the internet, how do you make something proprietary like that when everyone else is offering the same thing for free? What are the options? Weddings and events? You need a niche for that and it doesn't work in all markets.Some markets are so conservative its difficult to convince someone they need a professional. News? Hell no, overcrowded and already covered. Commercials? Perhaps. Anyone still doing industrials? I saw that business get whittled down to nothing, I was shooting industrials on 16mm film when the average budget was 1000 bucks a production minute ( 20 minute film = 20G starting budget) and production companies employed full time staff. Then in the 80's the companies opened their own on site production studios, some still have them. I remember some of the insurance companies and hospitals had some really nice facilities, many still do. Like you say it takes creativity, but more than that it takes luck. Some folks I've seen just have a knack for walking into good business deals without breaking a sweat.
Marty Hamrick March 18th, 2014, 09:53 PM Hi Guys
I shoot video full time and yes I make a living. Probably the reason I can is that I'm not an artist/creative cinematic genius I'm just a videographer!! If you take your craft as a viable business then yes you can make a living but you do have to hold back on buying new gear every time a new camera comes out. I try to keep my capital expenditure to 10% of my turnover and it works well.
The biggest issue making a living is costing. Being a wedding videographer mainly I hear the creative "film makers" doing a 10 hour wedding shoot and then spending 3 weeks (8 hours a day) painstakingly doing colour corrections, trimming and effects and then they cry like babies about not being able to make a living!
The bottom line is yes you can certainly make a living with video as a profession BUT it has to be a business not an artistic past time you charge for. If your market in your area expects a wedding to cost $2000 and you need to make $100 an hour the math is pretty simple ... you have 20 hours to shoot and edit (a little less actually cos there are running costs too) so if you take 3 weeks fiddling around you are not going to make any money!! Any business, including video will work as long as you treat it as a business and make a profit!!
Chris Some of these creative wedding folks charge major bucks and have wealthy clients that don't mind paying for the creativity as they're looking for something other than documentation. It's the bulk mass market vs. the specialized niche market. Both can make money if done right, its just that in order to make money on the artsy stuff , you have to have the right client. trouble is, there are so many hungry ones out there giving their creativity away to get the business that it creates a segment of clientele that expect something for nothing which makes it hard on everyone else.
Andrew Smith March 19th, 2014, 12:20 AM What about selling the benefits of your experience ..... ie the ability to get it right the first time?
Andrew
Don Bloom March 19th, 2014, 05:45 AM What about selling the benefits of your experience ..... ie the ability to get it right the first time?
Andrew
Some people know the price of everything...and the value of nothing.
It's like the people that equate quanity with quality. Look at the thread that is about a certain groups weddings. Quanity or quality?
A quick story to prove a point that some of the people out there today who are doing the hiring are not exactly the sharpest crayon in the box. I'm talking about corporate "creative directors" for lack of a better term.
A few years ago I was hired by an AV company here to set up and run camera for a seminar they had been hired to supply gear and labor. OK great, I'd done lots of work for them before, they knew me and my experience and my rate so it was no problem for either of us. The gig was close to home, 2 days and all I had to do was set up the camera I was using, shoot the job, and after the show, strike the camera I was using. Easy Peasy. there was a high priced director in video world calling the shots as we had 3 cameras as well as video drops and PPTs going. He looked familiar to me and we started talking about where we might have worked together before, couldn't come up with it but I had mentioned my experience shooting robotics for NASCAR. We talked about that, had some good conversation and some good laughs and all was fine. BTW, I was the center camera running a Sony DXC50 with a Canon 40 lens. You can pick a fly off the wall at about 100 yards with that combo...sharp as a tack. I was doing my thing covering the various speakers, had a couple who were rabbits and were all over the stage but always in frame and in focus. The director was happy happy! The next morning before we started I got a call from the AV company contact. The person from the company who was in charge of the seminar, a woman who didn't know a camera from a car, had called him and wanted to know why they had sent a guy who did sports and not seminars to cover her job? HUH? His reply was this..."Well, is he doing a great job for you?" Her reply was "yes". "Are the speakers in focus and in frame?" "yes". "Is the director happy?" "yes" "Then what are we talking about? If he can cover a car moving around a race track at 180mph for national broadcast TV, he can cover your speakers walking around the stage, not to mention the fact he's worked more seminars for us than all the other guys working there right now and they've covered a lot. If there's nothing else, I've got to go." CLICK!
OK maybe he wasn't a pleasant as he could have been but the point is this. She didn't have a clue as to what it took to shot the job nor did she have a clue as to who was working her job. All she heard was I had done sports in the past and she couldn't equate that to her little seminar. I had worked with the other camera guys many times in the past doing exactly what we were doing that day and between us we probably had 60 years experience running cameras.
Some people in the position of power have no business being there and I think that is part of the problem with the industry today but then...whadda I know? ;-)
Peter Ferling March 19th, 2014, 09:25 AM It's all about whom you know:
There's only one firm in my area (whom I've also sub'd for) that continues to do a decent business, and that's because of an established customer base. They also do A/V, staging and production work, and are involved in their community via several charities and clubs, etc. Word of mouth and recommendations continues to earn them more work.
You have to be a jack of all trades:
What was once considered a dedicated profession has been relegated to a menial task. So, it's not surprising to see want ads for Art Directors or Graphic Designers whom "have experience in video editing and/or production a plus." listed. This also includes photography skills for corporate communication directors, and once I saw an ad that asked for a Forklift Driver with Photoshop skills as a plus!
Don't drink the mud:
There's much to be said about folks whom deal with dirt poor clients, or those whom don't care to invest in quality. The reality of this might suggest that you can't make a decent buck because all the good clients have dried up. The bigger issue becomes you're acceptance of that. Remember, any start-up is not easy and requires lots of hard work and some capitol (and most likely from other sources or having to work a job). The bottom line is that you're never going to know unless you do it. However, you're gonna have to study those whom are making it today, and realize that it's gonna take more than just being good at one thing.
Accept it or not Change still happens:
Technology affects us all. Even my Dad, a retired Honda auto-mechanic, remembers the good ol' days before computers and modulation were introduced. He, like his older buddies, didn't want to deal with advanced knowledge or computers, online courses and having to fly down to California for extended diagnostic training. He once joked about "needing a 'PhD' to fix a transmission." I'm not so sure that's a joke, anymore.
Soft skills vs. Hard:
Despite all the change in technology. What folks still need today are those whom are experienced in dealing with others and project management: Client and social skills. Scripting and directing. Thinking on ones feet. The kinds of skills that comes with experience, the edge you have over the fresh crew.
Many of you already have these skills and may have to rethink or assess your market and the kinds of work that you should be going for. Maybe it's time to consider being a director, or taking on a leadership role? Don't sell yourself short as a simple gun for hire.
Marty Hamrick March 19th, 2014, 03:54 PM It's all about whom you know
No kidding. That's everything and you need to be the social butterfly in the right places. That's where a lot of videographers fall short. Fortunately I learned a lot of those skills from my parents who were show people and business owners.However I don't play golf or attend church and don't hang out in places where a lot of potential business might be.
Don't drink the mud
Sometimes it's not so easy to separate the mud from the ice cream. There are plenty of folks who have money but won't part with it for what they feel is a "frivolous expense" by hiring a professional videographer and some smaller businesses that are scraping by , but know the value of what you're offering and will pay for you, or at least if you do a job for them on spec basis, it turns out good. It's just hard to tell who's who sometimes.
Soft skills vs. Hard:
Despite all the change in technology. What folks still need today are those whom are experienced in dealing with others and project management: Client and social skills. Scripting and directing. Thinking on ones feet. The kinds of skills that comes with experience, the edge you have over the fresh crew.
Many of you already have these skills and may have to rethink or assess your market and the kinds of work that you should be going for. Maybe it's time to consider being a director, or taking on a leadership role? Don't sell yourself short as a simple gun for hire.
There was a time when you could make a good living as a hired gun. That was when production companies were really production companies and not 3 guys in an office building with a computer. These days you almost have to be a one man band just to keep your overhead manageable.
Gabe Strong March 19th, 2014, 04:09 PM Right after I got my TV production degree, I started working staff jobs, I WAS one of those 23YO guys
making 20 grand. I liked the work, thought the money sucked. Saved and bought some of my own gear
started my business and now it's my only source of income. But I do everything, shoot, edit, make
graphics, produce the whole video, even create DVD jackets and inserts. And I live in a town of thirty thousand. And there are no roads in or out so I can't even draw on the 'surrounding areas'. If someone
30 miles from me wants to hire me, I have to charge my day rate and add on $300-$400 for
a plane ticket. It can be done.
Marty Hamrick March 20th, 2014, 12:44 PM What kind of stuff do you shoot, Gabe?
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