Will we be able to "uninstall" or disable a purchased option in the 7Q?

And another request:
Simplefied filmindustry filenaming:
Prefix_slatenmbr_takenmbr_cam
With auto-increase takenmbr on every rec.end
Filename data, or at least slate and take, should be visible on the screen and a tapbutton to increase slate number. The slate and take should be fixed 3-digit and cam 1 character.
The prefix can be agile so one can fill in for themself, like scene numbr / reel nmbr etc.
Thanx

Dear Ron,

You may or may not be aware that the Odyssey7Q supports the following metadata that is recorded with each clip. Each field is user updateable at any time.

Clip Number

Reel Number

Scene Number

Take Number

Shooting Day

Camera Number

Project Name


While I used the term "Number", most of the above fields allow both numbers and letters.

The Take Number and Shooting Day fields only allow actual numbers, as this is logical.


When the Scene Number is changed, the Take Number is automatically reset to 001.

For each clip, the Take Number is incremented automatically.


This is in addition to the clip filename.

Whenever possible, the clip filename is setup to match the clip filename as generated in the camera, but this, of course, is camera dependent.

I will discuss your suggestions with our team.

Respectfully,

Thanks, Dan
What I miss is the slate number, as within a scene jou can have different slates and then an easily accessable slate increase ( like a double tap on a specific area) should reset the take to 001.
In a standard explorer You normally don't have a possibillity to sort on metadata

Dear Ron,

Thank you for the information.

Here is the trade-off.

If we use the same filename as the camera for its internal recording, then the internal recordings can serve as a backup and they may be useable as proxies.

When we use a new filename scheme, different than the camera, then there it may be harder to match the files. The timecode will still match.


On the slate number, it appears from your post that our Scene Number and Take Number will not work for you.

Please help me understand. Isn't our Take Number the same as your Slate Number?

Our Take Number is automatically incremented on each clip, and can be manually incremented or manually reset to any number, and it is automatically reset to 001 when you change the Scene Number.

Respectfully,

Scenes are almost never recorded in chronological order. They depent on actors availability, logistics, wheater, location etc.

In the same scene of the script, working with one camera, you have different positions/angels and lenses. These are numbered in slates. The takes are always with the same position/angle/lens.
The slates are numbered chronological
Per example: you start at day 1 for scene 38. you shoot your master/establishing wide, a medium 2 shot, a face 1 close and overshoulder face 2 close. So you have 4 slates from scene 38 and, depending on the actor/camoperator talent, several takes within each slate.
On top of that, day 1 can be over midnight so the date can differ from shooting day...

As I think of it, the slate nmbr should have 4 digits. On my Last shoot they had 17 days and the slatecount was over 650. So a longer shoot could easily exceed 999 slates

The slate number should be in the filename as they are also mentioned in the filenames from the audioguys, the continuaty, scriptassistants, setdressers etc. Slate and take rules...

Using proxies from internal cam recording can give problems because the framecount from the outboard recorder most of the time differs from the internal. It start/stops earlier or later. Some NLE's use first or total frame count. Then the EDL cuts are slightly different with the raws. (I've been there... ) as long as it is embedded timecode based there are no problems. But sometimes it is (evidently for a lot of reasons) not the case.
That's why I would embrace the 7Q function of recording raw and proxies at the same time, as long as they are exactly the same besides the codec.
Then the cam filenames are not so important anymore. Hence, I've seen loads of situations that during the shoot, the cam counted different from outboard due to a cable/battery malfunction. There is normally not enough time to check increments of both devices
Regards, Ron

Hi Dan,

Before the thread here got hijacked could you take a look at my original question?

Sorry chris. Was not my intention.

Dear Chris,

When I first read your original question, I sent an email to our engineers to get an answer.

I could not test it on my unit, as I do not have any of the extra cost options enabled, so I could not disable one then re-enable it.

I feel that the answer is yes, I am just waiting for confirmation.

Respectfully,

Thanks Dan.

Dear Chris,

Your request, being able to temporarily disable an option, such as Sony FS700 Option, Canon C500 4K Option, the ARRIRAW Option, or any other option, was a design goal of ours.

In our Gemini 4:4:4, we can do precisely that.

I believe that we can currently do this in our production firmware, 1.0.214, but I have just not been able to test it myself yet.

If this is not currently possible, we will definitely add this feature.

The reason that I asked for this feature in the first place was to satisfy a request from some rental companies.

With this feature, the rental companies can have units with many features enabled, but then rent the unit for less when a specific customer does not need some of the options.

This benefits both the rental company and the renter, as the rented does not need to pay for options that they will not be using.

Respectfully,

Thanks Dan. I was hoping that would be the case for the same reason as you point out.

Dear Chris,

I have the answer for you.

Yes, you can disable, temporarily, any of the extra cost options on the Odyssey7Q, such as the FS700 Option, the Canon 4K Option, or the ARRIRAW Option.

To do this go in the menu to Odyssey->Set->Activation->FS700 (or whichever option you want to disable),
then it should bring up an "Active" submenu (assuming it's activated) .

Press the "Active" button, it will change to "Set Demo" .

Press "Set Demo" again, it will change to "0000Demo", then you can change 1st 4 digits to a four-digit code, so it will say "XXXXDEMO" at that point, where XXXX is the four-digit secret code.

Hit "OK" and the option will be deactivated.

Then power cycle the Odyssey7Q.

Later, you may just re-enter the Authorization Code for the option to reactivate it.


One should not disable an option unless one knows the Authorization Code for that option, so that it can be restored when desired.

If one does disable an option, and does not know the proper eight-digit Option Authorization Code, the unit may be disabled until we can provide you with the proper code again.

For this reason, I do not want to publish, on this forum, the four-digit secret code to disable an option.

We will provide this four-digit code, upon request, to owners of Odyssey7Q's.

We want to prevent user's from accidently disabling options and not being able to reactivate them, as this can have serious consequences on-set.

Respectfully,

Thanks Dan. That will work.

Dear Chris,

Great!

We put a lot of thought into this.

We certainly do not want one to accidently disable an option.

Respectfully,

Received my 7Q recently and am having fun working through it.
One feature i'd like to request: please STOP the DEMO mode indicator from flashing.
i'm using the QUADs function as a monitor function only (at this point) and while I appreciate and understand the DEMO indicator, the flashing is incredibly distracting. It won't even go away when hiding all display characters.

A couple of other things, but I believe they have already been addressed/brought up in other threads or locations:
1 - 720, please! (I do a majority of my work for ABC - they shoot 720....)
2 - Dual-stream (2-input, only) side-by-side monitoring
3 - In Quad-stream, I'd like the ability to punch directly to a selected input rather than toggle through 1,2,3,4..
5 - the ability to update software/firmware via USB - as I mentioned, at this point i'm using the 7Q as a monitor only - being forced to buy an SSD is quite a bit of cash (relatively speaking) being dropped in order to update the unit.
6 - did I mention the flashing yellow DEMO indicator?! ;-)

Thanks CD - great unit and I'm looking forward to more!

Received my 7Q recently and am having fun working through it.
One feature i'd like to request: please STOP the DEMO mode indicator from flashing.
i'm using the QUADs function as a monitor function only (at this point) and while I appreciate and understand the DEMO indicator, the flashing is incredibly distracting. It won't even go away when hiding all display characters.

A couple of other things, but I believe they have already been addressed/brought up in other threads or locations:
1 - 720, please! (I do a majority of my work for ABC - they shoot 720....)
2 - Dual-stream (2-input, only) side-by-side monitoring
3 - In Quad-stream, I'd like the ability to punch directly to a selected input rather than toggle through 1,2,3,4..
5 - the ability to update software/firmware via USB - as I mentioned, at this point i'm using the 7Q as a monitor only - being forced to buy an SSD is quite a bit of cash (relatively speaking) being dropped in order to update the unit.
6 - did I mention the flashing yellow DEMO indicator?! ;-)

Thanks CD - great unit and I'm looking forward to more!


Dear Brian,

I fully agree with all of your recommendations.

1. 720p. Yes, we will add 720p.

2. Dual-stream (2-input, only) side-by-side monitoring.

Did you really mean monitoring only, as we can do that now, (monitoring only), in dual stream side-by-side mode?

If you meant dual stream recording, that will be added as an extra cost option.

I wonder if I am missing the intent of your request.

3. Yes, I agree, we need to provide a way to directly go to the selected input stream directly.

4.

5. Yes, we agree, we just did not get the USB firmware update support ready in time.

We do not expect anyone to have to purchase our SSD's just to perform a firmware update.

6. We will fix the flashing demo mode indicator.

Since you are only monitoring, the flashing demo mode should not be displayed,

If you were testing the Multi-Stream [b] Recording [b] Option which does not exist yet, then the demo indicator is appropriate. But, you were only monitoring.

Thank you for your suggestions.


Our team is working hard to ready our next firmware release, due out around the end of this month.

Respectfully.

Hi Dan,

I do mean monitoring only - am I missing something in how I’m using the 7Q as a monitor only?
We can do 2-input, side-by-side monitoring already? How? (Or did you mean that you guys at CD can do it, but the capability hasn’t been released yet?)

I’m monitoring only - with no SSDs in place - and as far as I can tell, the only way to see 4 images at once is to go into Setup - Monitor —> Record - Multi-stream 4:2:2. I understand the DEMO alert in this situation - it makes sense as the 7Q thinks i’m preparing to record.

Is there a monitor-only mode that does not set up the 7Q to record?

Thanks,
Brian

Brian,

There is a mode, I have to check what it is that works right now. I think it is called multi-stream 4:2:2 mode.

I know you can get 2 HDSDI in and display WF's for both below each input. It does not work with HDMI yet, but will. I have seen that working.

I have not tried 4 inputs yet, but I can. Time is my only constraint, I will try later.

Olof,
Thank you - and thanks for the great service on my order the other day.
Your picture shows exactly what i'm doing - Multi-Stream 4:2:2

Dear Brian,

I have again been traveling all day.

The Multi-Stream mode, under the Setup Menu, allows one to monitor up to four HD-SDI inputs.

Each input has to be HD, 1920 x 1080, and the frame rates can be up to 1080p30.

Different frame rates are supported, for example, one could be 1080p23.98 and another 1080p29.97.

In this mode, Raw, or other special modes are not supported.

If you connect two cameras, one to SDI A, and one to SDI B, you will see two side by side images.

And you can also connect SDI I/O to a third camera and SDI-I/O B to a fourth.

At this time, this mode does not support HDMI input, but this will change.


The Demo mode message does not really apply, as this is a feature built into the Odyssey7Q. This message will be removed as soon as possible, I am expecting it to be gone in our next firmware release.


Later, we will add an extra cost option to allow multi-stream recording.

At this time, our Multi-Stream Monitoring feature does not support recording.


While I can't post replies while I am driving, I can respond to phone calls.

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Respectfully,

Dan -
You're exactly right and this is what i've been doing.
Sorry for all the confusion on my end - I'm probably not articulating things well.
Bottom line - I'm good here and looking forward to the updates!

oh - and dan...don't apologize for a "delay" in responding. Your support here is amazing!

Here is my list of features I would like to see:

1) Another field of meta data for specific LUT used for monitoring while recording. Perhaps this can be automatically updated by the Odyssey 7Q. This would be great so post production knows what LUT affected the image that the DP used for lighting/exposure and the director/client was seeing at video village and yet have a raw or unbaked log recording.

2) Simultaneous recording of something like 220mbits and 100 or 50mbits on one SSD drive. The SSD drive would have a file structure with two folders folder, one named "Original" and another named "Proxy", with the files in each respective folder having identical or near-identical naming structure. The "original" recording would be raw or log, and the proxy would have the LUT applied that was used for monitoring. This would make confirming/re-connecting/relinking a piece of cake. Is recording with a LUT applied already an option?

3) I know that Mitch Gross said on Reduser.net that Red file naming convention are on the "wish list" and I do hope that it is in late stage development. This would be an amazing feature!! Both recordings in camera and the Odyssey 7Q would have the same file names. This feature for other cameras would be great too.

4) I DP two camera setups where I operate "A" camera and often switch quickly to see what "B" camera is seeing. I'd like to be able to switch to quad mode or A/B inputs, but not have "A" camera's output from the Odyssey 7Q display the quad at Video Village's "A" camera monitor. Perhaps be able to assign the behavior of the SDI A output and SDI B output. I'd like to have SDI A output be "clean" of quads/waveforms/false color. And perhaps have SDI B output mimic what I am seeing on the unit's screen itself.

5) You wrote previously that XAVC 100 and 50 might be on option. I think that would be great. The LT flavor of the popular codec would be great, but having a recording option at 50mbits would make the Odyssey 7Q so versatile.

6) I asked Mitch Gross at a recent Abelcine seminar on the 7Q if perhaps applying a LUT to two different inputs and sending those two feeds downstream to Video Village would be an option. He was pretty sure the hardware could not support applying LUTs on two feeds. Is this correct?

And a reminder about incorporating the Sony FS700 "end trigger" endless buffer of the FS700 where when we hit the record button when set to end trigger, the PREVIOUS 8 seconds will be recorded at 240 frames per second at full HD or FSP as set.

I can imagine a setting where one could adjust time of the "buffer" and based upon the inserted SSD, remaining memory allotment, and the framers per second, the 7Q would tell us how large that can be perhaps so we don't exceed storage.

So count me in for a vote on Sony FS700 "End trigger" within the 7Q

I thought at one point there was going to be a vector scope put in? Having the monitor being able to switch between waveform and vector would be great!

I humbly would request an update to the price of the SSD either that or release the option to use our own drives at our own risk. The fact that you can get a 500gb samsung 840 pro for half the price of the CD ssd, is frustrating as it seems to meet the listed specs.

Is there a cover for the screen? What are people using that's any good? I love the monitors quality and want to keep it in good shape!

Oh and is there a way to put in a sound track? Like have an external source that would stripe the audio across the multiple input videos when we record multiple streams at one?

Here is my list of features I would like to see:

1) Another field of meta data for specific LUT used for monitoring while recording. Perhaps this can be automatically updated by the Odyssey 7Q. This would be great so post production knows what LUT affected the image that the DP used for lighting/exposure and the director/client was seeing at video village and yet have a raw or unbaked log recording.

I will bring this up with our team.


2) Simultaneous recording of something like 220mbits and 100 or 50mbits on one SSD drive. The SSD drive would have a file structure with two folders folder, one named "Original" and another named "Proxy", with the files in each respective folder having identical or near-identical naming structure. The "original" recording would be raw or log, and the proxy would have the LUT applied that was used for monitoring. This would make confirming/re-connecting/relinking a piece of cake. Is recording with a LUT applied already an option?

We want to be able to record high quality footage plus a Proxy simultaneously.

We have not promised this feature yet, but we want to add it, first we have to finish the enabling features that would allow us to implement your request. The enabling feature is to add Proxy mode recording to the Odyssey7Q. Then we have to determine if we can fit this into the unit along with the processing for the high quality modes.

3) I know that Mitch Gross said on Reduser.net that Red file naming convention are on the "wish list" and I do hope that it is in late stage development. This would be an amazing feature!! Both recordings in camera and the Odyssey 7Q would have the same file names. This feature for other cameras would be great too.

Yes, I agree.

4) I DP two camera setups where I operate "A" camera and often switch quickly to see what "B" camera is seeing. I'd like to be able to switch to quad mode or A/B inputs, but not have "A" camera's output from the Odyssey 7Q display the quad at Video Village's "A" camera monitor. Perhaps be able to assign the behavior of the SDI A output and SDI B output. I'd like to have SDI A output be "clean" of quads/waveforms/false color. And perhaps have SDI B output mimic what I am seeing on the unit's screen itself.

We are discussing the various features that we will be adding to support your needs.

On 1.1.105 firmware, you can go to Record/Monitoring to turn on or off the Waveform monitor and other image analysis tools on the outputs.

5) You wrote previously that XAVC 100 and 50 might be on option. I think that would be great. The LT flavor of the popular codec would be great, but having a recording option at 50mbits would make the Odyssey 7Q so versatile.

We have been looking at this, but we are not ready to commit to it at this time.

6) I asked Mitch Gross at a recent Abelcine seminar on the 7Q if perhaps applying a LUT to two different inputs and sending those two feeds downstream to Video Village would be an option. He was pretty sure the hardware could not support applying LUTs on two feeds. Is this correct?

Do you mean that you want to apply the same LUT, to Input A and Input B and send the video from both feeds to two different HD-SDI outputs, Input A with LUT to Output A, and Input B with LUT to Output B?

I will ask our engineers about this today.

Respectfully,

And a reminder about incorporating the Sony FS700 "end trigger" endless buffer of the FS700 where when we hit the record button when set to end trigger, the PREVIOUS 8 seconds will be recorded at 240 frames per second at full HD or FSP as set.

I can imagine a setting where one could adjust time of the "buffer" and based upon the inserted SSD, remaining memory allotment, and the frames per second, the 7Q would tell us how large that can be perhaps so we don't exceed storage.

So count me in for a vote on Sony FS700 "End trigger" within the 7Q

Dear Dave,

Sony FS700 2K Raw, at 240 fps is 772.5 Megabytes per second.

Storing 8 seconds of this video in memory requires a lot of available memory.

We have not figured out a way to add this feature yet, sorry.

I would love to have this feature, but it does not look likely at this time.


Respectfully,

I thought at one point there was going to be a vector scope put in? Having the monitor being able to switch between waveform and vector would be great!

I humbly would request an update to the price of the SSD either that or release the option to use our own drives at our own risk. The fact that you can get a 500gb samsung 840 pro for half the price of the CD ssd, is frustrating as it seems to meet the listed specs.

Is there a cover for the screen? What are people using that's any good? I love the monitors quality and want to keep it in good shape!

Dear Nick,

The Vectorscope is on roadmap.

I understand that you would like to use a lower cost SSD that seems like it would work.

Our SSD's use very little power, and have built-in power protection to protect against the possible loss of all of the footage on an SSD due to a power failure.

The Samsung 840 Pro models do not have these features.

Yes, the Odyssey7Q uses Gorilla Glass on the OLED panel, and a user removable protective screen is also installed. The labels, such as the Odyssey7Q logo and all of the other labels are engraved into the protective screen.

Caution: Do not remove the protective screen until you need to replace it, to avoid getting dust under the screen.

Respectfully,

Oh and is there a way to put in a sound track? Like have an external source that would stripe the audio across the multiple input videos when we record multiple streams at one?

The Odyssey7Q currently supports Multi-Stream Monitoring.

Our extra cost Multi-Stream Recording Mode is not available yet.

We have not enabled the analog audio inputs yet either.

Yes, we want to add the feature you mentioned, as well as using timecode from Input A, or the external LTC input for all four individual recordings.

Respectfully,

Dan if the 7Q can't do the Sony FS700 end trigger buffer thing at 2K Raw, at 240 fps, can it be programmed to do either a 4K RAW to ProRes HD at 240fps end trigger buffer style, or direct ProRes HD end trigger thing? We would hate to lose altogether the end trigger feature which the FS700 can handle internally to an SD card.

Dear Dave,

Once we upgrade our Apple ProRes 422 feature to support 1080p60, then you will be able to use the FS700, HD (1920 x 1080) high-speed cache recording feature.

The FS700 outputs 4K Raw (continuously) at up to 60 fps.

The FS700 has a 4K Raw at 120 fps feature for a little less than 4 seconds.

We will support this mode in the future via a free firmware update.

Respectfully,

Dan,

Is ProRes 1080p 60fps video going to require additional Apple approval?

Thanks for any information.

Dear John,

I am not certain, sorry.

Respectfully,

When will I be able to update the firmware in my 7Q through USB?.

I have put several inquires into Amber, unfortunately with no response.

Do I really need to spend $400.00 so I can have audio meters and the other new features.

Maybe you can rent an SSD for a day...

Also check with any other local freelancers and you may find someone that can help with a firmware update. If you were here in NC I would certainly upgrade your firmware for you.

When will I be able to update the firmware in my 7Q through USB?.

I have put several inquires into Amber, unfortunately with no response.

Do I really need to spend $400.00 so I can have audio meters and the other new features.

Dear Daniel,

We certainly do not want to force you to purchase an SSD just to perform an firmware update.

We want to add USB support as soon as practical.

I hope we can find a solution for you, or find someone near you with an SSD.

We may find another solution also. Please feel free to send me a Private Message or call me.

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Respectfully,

Hi,

after having used the 7Q with the FS700R for a few months now, I have to say I love it. (Particularly after the v2 fw which adds 4K slomo)

There are however a few things that I think could be improved (easily) in software:

No doubt the 7Q sucks a lot of power. And it annoys me that I have to switch of the unit to prevent the display eating up the battery between shooting, so:

1. There should be an option to completely and easily switch OFF (and ON) the LED display to reduce power consumption. - And even being able to record with the display off would be nice. This LED OFF/ON option could be a selectable option on the F1 lock button. I would also think it should be possible to bypass a video signal from the 7Q to for example my video goggles, so that I could see the recording and display from the 7Q without the 7Q's LED sucking the juice out my battery.

Although the 7Q is a fantastic device for several cameras, I will never use it on the C500 or an Arri. So all the options for selecting mode on the 7Q is just confusing annoying as I sometimes press the wrong option when I am stressed and in a hurry (Switching from ProRes to RAW and vice versa). (I am certain C500 users would love to be without the FS700 and Arri choices as well!)

This could be solved in many ways.

1. Initially in an admin menu you choose your camera to use with the 7Q, so you don't get all the other options when selecting modes, they are just confusing when you are in a hurry. For FS700 only 3 choices, ProRes, RAW, and RAW2ProRes.

2. And/or, your most used modes (for me RAW and ProRes) should be easily accessible through shortcut buttons. I could wish to have my two FS700 recording modes as shortcuts replacing for example the LUT and GUIDE software buttons, either with or without confirmation (for faster switching between modes).

Also I am not sure if this has been discussed before (likely but could not find), will there be an option to record with the FS700 using another gamma than SLOG2, for cleaner low ISO image, like CineGamma 2 or 4 or something allowing you the use of ISO 100 etc.).

For now my biggest concern is having to totally shut down the 7Q (to preserve power) when walking between shoots, or jumping in and out of my car driving around shooting, it is so time consuming.

Thank you for your attention.

Ole

Hi,

after having used the 7Q with the FS700R for a few months now, I have to say I love it. (Particularly after the v2 fw which adds 4K slomo)

Thank you, we love to hear that!

There are however a few things that I think could be improved (easily) in software:

No doubt the 7Q sucks a lot of power. And it annoys me that I have to switch of the unit to prevent the display eating up the battery between shooting, so:

1. There should be an option to completely and easily switch OFF (and ON) the LED display to reduce power consumption. - And even being able to record with the display off would be nice. This LED OFF/ON option could be a selectable option on the F1 lock button. I would also think it should be possible to bypass a video signal from the 7Q to for example my video goggles, so that I could see the recording and display from the 7Q without the 7Q's LED sucking the juice out my battery.

There is a way to turn off the video display, leaving just the menus, and this will help.

You are using our 2.10.141 firmware or higher (which supports this feature).

The press and hold the Hide button on the bottom menu.

Then select Hide: Video

Then press the Hide button to exit the "Hide Menu".

Then when you press Hide, the video will go black, reducing power.

And then you can press anywhere on the screen to restore the video.

Although the 7Q is a fantastic device for several cameras, I will never use it on the C500 or an Arri. So all the options for selecting mode on the 7Q is just confusing annoying as I sometimes press the wrong option when I am stressed and in a hurry (Switching from ProRes to RAW and vice versa). (I am certain C500 users would love to be without the FS700 and Arri choices as well!)

This could be solved in many ways.

1. Initially in an admin menu you choose your camera to use with the 7Q, so you don't get all the other options when selecting modes, they are just confusing when you are in a hurry. For FS700 only 3 choices, ProRes, RAW, and RAW2ProRes.

2. And/or, your most used modes (for me RAW and ProRes) should be easily accessible through shortcut buttons. I could wish to have my two FS700 recording modes as shortcuts replacing for example the LUT and GUIDE software buttons, either with or without confirmation (for faster switching between modes).

Please allow us time to think about your suggestions:

Here is one possibility:

We would have another menu level, such as:

Monitor -> Record
...............................FS700
..............................................FS700 Raw
..............................................FS700 4K Raw to ProRes HD
...............................C500
..............................................Canon Raw -> Raw
...............................ALEXA
..............................................ARRIRAW -> Raw
...............................Other Cameras and Modes
..............................................4:2:2 HD -> ProRes HD
..............................................4:2:2/4:4:4 -> DPX
..............................................4:2:2 HD -> Multi-Stream

Please note that the above is not perfect, as one might want to use Multi-Stream Monitoring with the FS700, C500 or ALEXA. Another major problem is that this adds another line for each camera type, and we will soon run out of room vertically.

We have some other ideas also.

Also I am not sure if this has been discussed before (likely but could not find), will there be an option to record with the FS700 using another gamma than SLOG2, for cleaner low ISO image, like CineGamma 2 or 4 or something allowing you the use of ISO 100 etc.).

In Raw, yes, we want you to be in S-Log 2, and you can achieve this by selecting Picture Profile 7 , which should be set/reset to Factory Defaults.

But, in our 4K Raw to ProRes HD, you can use other gamma settings.



For now my biggest concern is having to totally shut down the 7Q (to preserve power) when walking between shoots, or jumping in and out of my car driving around shooting, it is so time consuming.

I performed the following test, with an FS700 and Odyssey7Q, with one SSD installed.

From power up, until the FS700 is outputting a Raw (the FS700 was in 4K Raw Mode), the time just over 14 seconds.

From power up, until the Odyssey7Q is showing an image, in FS700 mode is 15 seconds.

And to power up the first SSD took 5 more seconds.

(Sometimes powering up an SSD does take longer).


I am curious as to what battery you are using to power the Odyssey7Q.

Are you shooting a lot of FS700 2K Raw, 12-Bit, at 240 fps?

In this mode, the Odyssey7Q does take between 15 and 16 watts.

But, in idle mode, with two SSD's installed, the power is under 9 watts when your camera is off or
around 10 watts when the Odyssey7Q is receiving a signal and displaying it on the OLED panel.

We may, later, be able to develop a lower-power stand-by mode.

Respectfully,

In Raw, yes, we want you to be in S-Log 2, and you can achieve this by selecting Picture Profile 7 , which should be set/reset to Factory Defaults.

Each day I use the 7Q along with the new firmware, I slowly am getting up to speed. Ok, maybe better to say I suck slightly less each new day, lol.

I have always used PP 4 set to Slog2 when shooting in RAW. So what is this Picture Profile 7 thing all about? Is it just that it defaults to Slog2 so one needn't go to submenu in other picture profiles? Or is something different about PP7?

Then select Hide: Video

Then press the Hide button to exit the "Hide Menu".

Then when you press Hide, the video will go black, reducing power.

And then you can press anywhere on the screen to restore the video.


I find that the hide function should work a bit different. The video or menu unhides too easily with the slightest touch! Most times when I want to reposition the screen I accidently activate one or more functions... That is really annoying. The hide function should also take out any function. I suggest to reveal with a 2-3 seconds touch&hold or even better only in a small specific area. And to cover the ones that not have read the manual: with a touch, only display shortly a message like "touch&hold lower right corner for buttons"

Each day I use the 7Q along with the new firmware, I slowly am getting up to speed. Ok, maybe better to say I suck slightly less each new day, lol.

I have always used PP 4 set to Slog2 when shooting in RAW. So what is this Picture Profile 7 thing all about? Is it just that it defaults to Slog2 so one needn't go to submenu in other picture profiles? Or is something different about PP7?

Dear Dave,

The Picture Profile 7 is a neutral Picture Profile, with the Gamma set to S Log 2.

We want a neutral Picture Profile.

And for best images, we like the S-Log 2, but we realize that this is not what everyone wants, meaning that they want images that do not need a LUT (Look Up Table) applied in post.

Respectfully,

Dan,

thank you for your reply.

I missed that new feature in latest fw of being able to switch off the video stream and not only hide menus.

I need to test this, but I still suspect we could save more juice by using one of the hardware buttons (F1) to totally switch off the LED. That way I could also immediately have the 7Q ready for action within the press of a button again (or even record without the LED switched on!??).

Since the F1 locks the screen, it might as well switch if completely off ! - This could at least be an option to choose how to use the F1 button. I hope you get time to look into this and test if it is possible.

I am using original genuine Sony 970 and 770 batteries on the 7Q.

When I close the LCD lid on the FS700 it barely use any power, so wish I could have a similar ability on the 7Q.

Yes the menu system you suggest could be one way, though I would also like to have the 1080 HD ProRes option available also under FS700, even if this is a general option available for several cameras.

Also customizable shortcuts to 2 modes would be very convenient.
I could replace the OLED soft button with RAW, and GUIDE or LUT with ProRes.

Yes I shoot a lot of slomo, that seem to be the hype these days! ;) - Both 2K 240, but mostly 4K 120.
BTW! Could the FS700 higher frame rates in 2K/HD ever be possible with the 7Q (480fps/960fps). (Sorry for luring in this extra question)

Thank you for considering my suggestions.

Keep up your hard work!

Ole

Dan,

I need to test this, but I still suspect we could save more juice by using one of the hardware buttons (F1) to totally switch off the LED. That way I could also immediately have the 7Q ready for action within the press of a button again (or even record without the LED switched on!??).


Dear Ole,

Since we are using an OLED panel, having the menu's on draws very little power, and the Menu items are, on purpose, not very bright, also reducing power.

If we were using an LCD, with a backlight, then switching the backlight off would save power.

Since the F1 locks the screen, it might as well switch it completely off ! - This could at least be an option to choose how to use the F1 button. I hope you get time to look into this and test if it is possible.

Note that some, with the screen locked, some will still want to see the image and timecode, and see when it is recording. This mode allows one to hand the unit to someone, but the unit is protected from inadvertent menu changes.

We intend, later, to add some programmable functions to our F1 and F2 mechanical keys (on the side of the unit).


I am using original genuine Sony 970 and 770 batteries on the 7Q.

A genuine Sony NP-F970 battery, in good condition, works fine. Beware of counterfeits, as these are small capacity batteries with extra weights inside to make them heavier.

If you are about to purchase a Sony NP-F970, check the blister pack. If it is sturdy, it is probably a genuine Sony battery, if it is thin, it is not. On many counterfeits, the hologram is in the wrong place.

The Sony NP-F770 battery is underpowered for this application, thus this may be the source of some of the problems. We do not recommend using this battery, especially for anyone shooting in 2K, 240fps.


When I close the LCD lid on the FS700 it barely use any power, so wish I could have a similar ability on the 7Q.

Our engineers are working on two major, very significant firmware releases right now.

As soon as we can find the time, we may be able to engineer an very low power standby mode.

We have the ability to turn off part of the circuits, powering only what we have to have on.



Yes the menu system you suggest could be one way, though I would also like to have the 1080 HD ProRes option available also under FS700, even if this is a general option available for several cameras.

After posting my reply, I spoke with our engineer that is in charge of the menu system.

He is working on a solution, we discussed various options. We may or may not have some changes in our very next release. At the time of my post, the new firmware was in final testing, so it may not get in.

Also customizable shortcuts to 2 modes would be very convenient.
I could replace the OLED soft button with RAW, and GUIDE or LUT with ProRes.

I believe I understand the point of your proposal. You want to be able to, very easily, for a specific camera, to be able to go into, in your case, FS700 Raw, and FS700 4K Raw to Apple ProRes HD modes.

I will discuss this with our team. We do need the OLED and Guide functionality.

Yes I shoot a lot of slomo, that seem to be the hype these days! ;) - Both 2K 240, but mostly 4K 120.
BTW! Could the FS700 higher frame rates in 2K/HD ever be possible with the 7Q (480fps/960fps). (Sorry for luring in this extra question)

If you select, in our Setup|Monitor -> Record menu, our 4:2:2 -> ProRes HD mode, then you can put your Sony FS700 in HD, Super Slow Mode, and the Odyssey7Q can record any of these special, high-speed modes up to 960 fps.

Just be aware that, in these modes, the HD output is not 12-Bit, and that the image quality is not as good as the 2K Raw, 12-Bit modes. In the 2K Raw modes, the image quality remains the same, even at 240 fps (but, of course you need more light when the minimum shutter speed is 1/250th of a second).

In the HD, Super Slow Modes, as you increase the frame rate, the image quality goes down, as the sensor is windowed (less than all of the photosites of the sensor are used when in this mode).

To state this differently, 960 fps is not the same image quality at HD at 60 fps, and none of these HD modes are the quality of the 2K Raw, and 4K Raw is the best quality. That is why we developed the 4K Raw to Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) mode. The later mode has been very well received.

Thank you for considering my suggestions.

Keep up your hard work!

Ole

Respectfully,

Again thanks Dan.

I was not aware of the 480/960 ability with the 7Q, I know quality is not the same as 240 and/or RAW, but definitely nice to have this option.

I did not mean to permanently replace LUT or GUIDE, but if it was possible to customize these soft buttons, I am sure other users would find other usage as well as my shortcuts :)

Will try the hide video function with the O7Q.

Thanks,
Ole

I find that the hide function should work a bit different. The video or menu unhides too easily with the slightest touch! Most times when I want to reposition the screen I accidently activate one or more functions... That is really annoying. The hide function should also take out any function. I suggest to reveal with a 2-3 seconds touch&hold or even better only in a small specific area. And to cover the ones that not have read the manual: with a touch, only display shortly a message like "touch&hold lower right corner for buttons"

Dear Ron,

We can consider your suggestions.

We have to be very careful to ensure that if one invokes the Hide function that they have an easy way to unhide it, otherwise this could interfere with a shoot.

But, your suggestions address that issue.

You could use the Screen Lock function prior to repositioning the unit.

Respectfully,

Dan, just as a suggestion, I noticed that when I am positioning the image around the screen, a finger contact movement causes the image to move in the opposite direction of how images move in iPhones from finger swipes.

Dear Dave,

If you update to our latest firmware, 2.11.110, then you have a choice over how it works.

One of the two options should feel natural.

Press and hold the Zoom Icon to see the options.

Respectfully,

Dan,

Here a few of my request for future feature updates:

1). Color frame/guide lines
2). Shaded areas outside frame/guild lines
3). Put monitor into power save mode while connected to a video signal.
4). Center mark cross hairs.

Love the new features CD has added. Can't wait for multi-cam recording. Thanks for such a great product.

Brian