Some of you may have seen my latest post about the reverb. In it, I explained how at a recent wedding, there were up to four different positions where people spoke from in the church.

Something occurred to me - to cover all eventualities, would it be better for me to just have a bunch of super cheap recorders, and place them in every conceivable location? (still using my tascam and lav mic for groom of course.

Yea, audio may not be super - but would certainly be better than on-board audio from 6+ metres away and in noisey/reverb ridden spaces.

It could also be an idea for speeches to. i could leave a recorder in front of every individual speaker.

Good idea / bad idea? Must be better than taping an H1 to the roaming mic like I've seen people do!

So what cheapos are there that will be acceptable quality? I'm hoping no more than £30 each.

Why don't you tap in to the church PA or get a recorder near one of the church speakers? Are you putting a mic on the lecturn? That's all I do as well as a lav on the groom and I get great audio!

I use multiple standalone recorders as a first choice.

If there is a feed from the church's PA I will hook up, but more often than not the deck is inaccessible at the rear where you need to put in your leads sometimes enclosed in an anti-theft cage, or there is no-one available who understands it and can give you access; not in the limited amount of time available anyway.

Then you need to somehow figure out what the levels should be before the service is in full flow unless you add the further complication of a radio link from the deck to your shooting position. And then the PA system may only cater for some positions so you may miss out on the choir, or any voices of guests singing in hymns, musicians, etc - which you can of course mix in post.

I've found that a recorder close to one of the church speakers can be a reliable backstop as Peter says.

I also bear in mind that the ultra clean audio you get from a well placed lav gives you results that are nothing like the experience was for the guests in the church. It can sound more like a hollywood blockbuster advert voiceover than actually being there. Again you can do some mixing but I quite like the readymade mix of speaker and ambient that you get with a close free-standing audio recorder.

A bunch of Zoom H1's are affordable and work well. The £59 deal for the white ones that I linked to recently has ended but even at £69 +£5 shipping its good. They are more than your budget but they also give you more scope than the cheaper units. Particularly valuable is the tripod thread on the back which enables you to position them in all sorts of places in seconds using cheap chinese friction arms.

An H1 or any recorder clamped to a lectern or suchlike can be quite visible in the foreground. Sometimes I use a lav instead of the recorders build-in mics and quickly fasten the lav in place using heavy duty black blutak - quicker less visible and more secure than tape for a lav:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0051BT40K/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I did that last saturday placing the lav on the end of an enormous christmas tree branch that was protruding into the area :- )

I try to attend church rehearsals whenever I can. In these I check which positions are going to be used and I point out to the participants that video is much more ponderous than stills photography and its important that they don't stray from their allocated positions. It also gives me the chance to try and avoid anyone blocking shooting positions as in that stupid stupid stupid american habit of the bridesmaids and groomsmen standing either side of the couple throughout :- )

The speeches - yep I routinely place recorders in the table in front of each speaker. You can add an element of camouflage using the table decorations wine bottles etc.

Pete

ive had good results with this Sony digital recorder, easy to use no fuss setup.
Sony ICDPX333.CE7 4GB PX Series MP3 Digital Voice IC Recorder + Memory Card Slot & Microphone: Amazon.co.uk: Office Products (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BOK93ZI/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=officeproduct)

I have a few Yamaha Pocketrak C24 Pocket Recorder that work ok but can be a bit fiddly at times, two left me down at an event a few months ago! I think they're discontinued now.

ive had good results with this Sony digital recorder, easy to use no fuss setup.
Sony ICDPX333.CE7 4GB PX Series MP3 Digital Voice IC Recorder + Memory Card Slot & Microphone: Amazon.co.uk: Office Products (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BOK93ZI/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=officeproduct)


Great little recorders, simple, reliable and good sound quality.

Roger

Something occurred to me - to cover all eventualities, would it be better for me to just have a bunch of super cheap recorders, and place them in every conceivable location? (still using my tascam and lav mic for groom of course.


Yes -- I would think that in the ideal world, we would place recorders anywhere the sound sources are. For me, it usually means: lav on the groom (gets the bride, too) and a wav recorder on the church lectern for church weddings -- and maybe another where there's music.

I don't take the time to put recorders elsewhere (like the altar for confession-related readings). I just figure I need to balance my time with what I'll be using most in their audio. Yes, in their "running/document" footage, there'll be some echo-y sound -- if the priest does talking from elsewhere.

What I've done is gone with the Tascam DR-05 ($79.99 USD at BH) and it's larger brother the Tascam Dr-40 (I got on Amazon.com last Black Friday time for pretty cheap). My regular second shooter also has a DR-05.

I really like them. Especially the DR-40 which has XLR in that allows me to hide it and a Sennheiser ME66 on stage as a way to capture backup vow audio etc.

The DR-05's are nice little units that can be placed by a piano or string section or harp to ensure clear music audio.

I recently got a $40 Audio Technica wired lav to also use with the Dr-05 as a backup lapel mic since the Tascam is small enough and light enough to fit in a jacket pocket.

When I first set out to do wedding videography, I immediately purchased two Zoom H1's. They're basic, but they get the job done and at $100/each they don't break my budget. After four weddings, I decided to pick up a third audio recorder at best buy on the way to another event, and I'm very glad I did- best safety choice I've made. In addition to the shotgun mics on both my cams as emergency backup audio, I put out all three recorders at every ceremony.

In a typical church setup:
– I will have one in the groom's pocket with the lav which is for the obvious vows, and also a great way to pick up officiant audio (saved my bacon with officiant audio in the last wedding shoot with no church PA that I could record from)

– One on the lectern (if there is one)

–*and if one is available, another recorder right next to a church PA speaker with the sensitivity turned down so I don't blow out the channels or pick up too much reverb and guest noise.

The last wedding I shot didn't have a PA speaker at ground level that I could pick up from, so I instead used the third recorder on a window sill next to some live musicians so I could at least pick them up as well. No sense in wasting the third recorder!

For the reception, I always ask the DJ if I can patch in with a recorder. Once, when I wasn't able to do so, I strapped one recorder onto the DJ speaker stand (which sounded awful, but at least I got something) and put a second on the head table so I could get some audio of the toasts. It wasn't even close to great, but it was better than just on-cam audio.

Great little recorders, simple, reliable and good sound quality.

Roger

Just got one of these recorders Roger, its great and very small into the bargain.

Just got one of these recorders Roger, its great and very small into the bargain.

Glad you are happy with it :-) I have 3 of them and you could spend more and get more facilities, but small and simple suits me fine.

Roger

Glad you are happy with it :-) I have 3 of them and you could spend more and get more facilities, but small and simple suits me fine.

Roger

Your right there, its fantastic, I'm getting another one or two.

Do you mean wireless ?

I use a wired one, this one,

Amazon.com: Audio-Technica ATR-3350 Lavalier Omnidirectional Condenser Microphone: Musical Instruments (http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATR-3350-Omnidirectional-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B002HJ9PTO/)

Does the job nicely!

Hi Soumendra,

You have linked to a lav mic, whereas this thread is about portable recorders that you might want to plug a lav mic into.

I noticed in your other thread that you are recording directly from a mic straight to your dslr camera, so the type of recorders talked about here might be just what you need. They are not wireless, they record on inbuilt memory or sd card and are small enough to be tucked into a jacket pocket or placed on a convenient surface.

The recordings are transferred to your editing system by usb or removing the card and putting it into your system.

Roger

Oh, I see!

So, the audio is recorded separately then, not into the camera and we have to sync it with the video later on the NLE.

Oh, I see!

So, the audio is recorded separately then, not into the camera and we have to sync it with the video later on the NLE.

Yes that is correct, but it is extremely easy to do and gives you the ability to place mics and recorders exactly where you want them, without having to run cables everywhere. I often use three recorders and synch them all up on the time line with no problems.

Roger

I don't remember who mentioned this before but someone suggested to me to use a shure sm57 or 58 with a mic stand that's placed in front of the speaker. I cannot thank them enough as this SAVED me during a set of speeches last week. I had a soundboard feed and the sm57 plugged into my h6. Turns out the soundboard feed was completely unusable but the sm57 picked up the feed from the speakers very well.

Here is some of the audio from the speeches that starts at 3:48.

Kelsey and Kyle on Vimeo

It picked up sound so much better than my Zoom H1's that were placed on the table in front of the couple and where we thought the speakers would be.

Pretty sure that was me, because those are the mics I use! Another advantage of this method over DJ plugin is that it usually gets some nice ambient sound as well.

Mind you -- that system is not infallible; no method is, and that's why audio sucks. Problems I've had include: (1) the sound from the speakers is itself dirty; (2) random person decides to move the microphone out of the way (waiter, DJ, dancing guest); (3) if the speakers don't know how to use a microphone, and are waving it around at waist height, you're not going to get anything good; (4) you have to work out in advance which speakers are the relevant ones, and the DJ isn't always helpful; (5) setup time can be too costly when you're under time pressure.

Some other random tips for this method: (1) I tend to use two channel recording, with one channel set a little low and another set a little high... with your Zoom H6 you have this feature built in anyway, no XLR splitter needed; (2) in terms of positioning, I tend to aim it halfway between treble and bass, and, if I can, about 20cm away; slap on a pair of headphones and have a listen for yourself; (3) gaffer tape can help if the soundspeakers are in a tricky position; (4) if you can use both SM57 and SM58 at the same time, you have the option of a different quality sound out of each; (5) it's possible to build a mega microphone stand by cannibalising the parts from one to lengthen another -- useful for high ceilings.

Ah thanks that was you!

I'm lucky I didn't experience any of those problems but thanks for noting them and they all make perfect sense.

Yeah I bought that thing for my H6 that records the L/R XLR inputs with a backup recording and that definitely helped with some of the audio during the ceremony when the officiant's volume would blow out.

One thing I should note is that I have a person dedicated to adjusting the levels of audio on my H6 during the ceremony and speeches. Like Adrian noted, it might be a pain to run back from the camera to check the mic levels if you're running a 1 or 2 person team.

My advice to the OP would be depending on how much you spent on your camera, be willing to spend just as much on audio. So many things can go wrong with audio during a wedding and poor audio will definitely hurt your video.