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Tim Hunt October 29th, 2013, 06:50 PM I just purchased a Porta-Brace QSM-4 Quick Slick for my XA20 and I am disappointed in the fit. While their website says it fits a wide range of cameras, the QSM-4 is double the physical size of the small XA20 making it a tough sell in my book. I shoot mostly high school football and being in the elements late in the season is part of the biz.
The overall length of the cover is 15-1/2" while the XA20 is 9" from lens hood to eye cup. I have emailed two different people at Porta-Brace and have not received an answer yet. The neoprene lens hood 'gasket' could essentially wrap around twice, yet doesn't have velcro sewed around the entire length to make that seal.
Has anyone else had this issue? Are there any other choices available that someone is currently using?
Thanks, Tim
Bryce Comer October 29th, 2013, 07:17 PM I had the same issue Tim,
In the end, I went to fabric land, bought a bunch of materials & after a quick lesson from the lovely wife on the sewing machine, I made myself one. Modelled it on a couple I already had for other cameras then scaled it down to fit the XA20. In the end, I was very happy with the result. Cost all of about $40 in materials & looks top notch too!
Sorry I can't be of any help in finding something off the shelf, but if you know of someone that can sew, it really is the only option that I could find for a perfect fit.
Regards,
Bryce
Colton Sitzes November 9th, 2013, 09:47 AM I would love to find a good rain slicker for my xa20. Do you think eventually more options will come out?
John Nantz November 9th, 2013, 01:37 PM Hi Bryce - We sure know about the rain stuff, don't we. Down here in Washington we call it "Oregon Mist", as in missed Oregon, hit Washington!
Okay, now for the serious stuff. I've been wanting a slicker for my camera for some time now but buying one via "mail order" like what Colton did is scary. There are so many camera makes, sizes, and configurations that there is practically no way for some off-the-shelf slicker to fit the way you'd like.
Having a slicker just fit the camera is one thing but if it needs to accommodate the mic (using an add-on mic on the camera, say) and, or, a light (again, using an add-on light), throws the slicker into a "custom-made" design.
In my case, I want to do video work from the deck of a sailboat so significant windage is an issue. Because the boat is only 35-feet and there is no grip crew available it is a one-man show. Come to think of it, maybe more of a comedy show!
North of Campbell River the maritime influence starts to set in and the weather, even in Fogust, is often overcast, drizzly, and further north, rainy. Ditto Tofino and north on the west coast. On our trip to Alaska in the summer we just about lived in yellow rain slickers. Taking video in this climate with the high apparent wind is a real challenge.
Crossing the Strait of Juan de Fuca: Crossing the Strait of Juan de Fuca 2013 on Vimeo
Even when it isn't raining there is often saltwater spray over the deck and cameras don't like salt sprayed on them.
The wind noise is clearly audible as I was using a Rode Stereo Video Mic but with a "dead cat" - totally inadequate at 14 knots apparent but better than nothing. I'm pretty sure the "low cut" was "On".
Trying to come up with a custom slicker will be a real challenge.
Question: While we know you made your slicker from scratch I was wondering what design details you used:
What kind of material?
How did you provide for lens protection, if any?
How did you deal with audio? Cable or camera mounted mic?
Did you come across any "How to do it" articles?
For what I want, I'm thinking of having a fair amount of clear plastic so I can see the camera controls easer but if the plastic film is on the thick side so it can withstand use it isn't very flexible.
Bryce Comer November 18th, 2013, 12:17 AM Hi John,
Sorry for the late reply. To answer some of your questions, I basically just looked at both the rain slicker I have for my Canon XH A1 & Sony EX-3 & tried to come up with a design that would work for the XA 20 that I liked. Materials were all sourced from the local sewing shop and were a combination of heavy cordura, a heavy but flexible clear plastic, & various other bits & pieces. I will have to ask my wife what they all are & confirm, as it's not something I normally deal in.
As far as protection for the lens goes, I just use a clear filter & the rain slicker cinches up around the lens barrel with elastic.
There is room for a short shotgun mic & cabling as well all under the slicker.
Sorry I don't know of any how to articles, but when I have a minute, I will take a few pics of the one I made & hopefully that might help.
Regards,
Bryce
John Nantz November 18th, 2013, 11:35 AM Bryce - I didn't realize that Rossland was way inland. Seems like most BC members are from the coast area where we get rain. You guys are probably getting snow now, eh?
Clear lens filter - that is a good idea. Good way to keep things from getting distorted. Probably won't need my sun shade anyway. :-)
In my previous post I mentioned about a camera light and after thinking about it, I don't think that will be necessary.
The mic, though, I will need but I can work that issue separately. My mic will need wind protection. If I use the Rycote Windshield with the Windjammer then I'm looking at a real project. Camera first, though.
Tim Hunt December 4th, 2013, 08:38 PM I wanted to share the photos that the good people at Alphatron Media (Camrade) sent me of the of the XA20-XA25 Rain slicker. These photos do not appear on their website, but after asking for a few photos to help with my decision they delivered. It's a shame that a company like Portabrace has yet to reply to my question regarding a rain cover for my XA20, since I've owned about a half dozen of their products over the years.
J.T. Price December 11th, 2013, 07:37 AM I hope the accessories start to come out soon. I recently returned from a long filming trip in New Zealand. The camera held up well, fortunately, in the drizzle and salt spray. However, I missed getting some excellent footage on one outing as it was raining just a bit too much for the angle I would have held the camera up to video the species. It would have meant too much water falling on the front of the camera.
Paul Inglis January 13th, 2014, 06:17 AM Has anyone tried a Kata CRC-13 Rain Cover with their XA20? I've been looking at it and can’t quite decide whether it’ll be too big or not. All my work will be on a tripod.
John Van den Eede January 15th, 2014, 01:44 AM Does anyone has a real picture of an XA20 in the Camrade wetsuit?
At the moment I haven't seen any wetsuit that actually fits the XA20.
Kind regards,
John
Paul Inglis January 31st, 2014, 06:51 AM I have been looking around for a raincover that will fit the Canon XA20 handheld and on a tripod. I think I have finally found one that will fit. It is a C71.1 'Clearview' Camera and Video Cover (http://www.wildlifewatchingsupplies.co.uk/cgi-bin/retail/sh001000.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ewildlifewatchingsupplies%2eco%2euk%2fretail%2facatalog%2f&WD=c71&PN=C71--Clear-view--Camera---Video-Cover---%2ehtml%23a1767#a1767) from Wildlife Watching Supplies. I’ve had items from them in the past and they have always been sterling products so I’ve gone ahead and ordered one. I’ll post my thoughts and an image when it arrives.
Paul Inglis February 1st, 2014, 07:02 AM Well, my C71 'Clear-view' Camera and Video Cover arrived promptly in the post this morning from Wildlife Watching Supplies. The quality is excellent as I thought it would be.
It fits the Canon XA20 very well with the handle and microphone mount attached. It has a slit on the bottom for it to be tripod mounted if desired. Also it is perfect for placing my hand through when hand holding the cam.
It is a tapered design so the draw string nearest the lens is almost a perfect match with the lens hood attached. The rear is big enough to get a hand in to access the controls yet with the draw cord can close around the viewfinder to keep the elements out.
I will add that without the handle attached it makes using the flip out monitor easier when the draw string is tightened at the rear of the cam.
It’s the best fitting rain cover I have found for the XA20 to date. I’ll post up images if anyone is interested.
John Van den Eede February 4th, 2014, 06:37 AM I’ll post up images if anyone is interested.
Interested :-)
Thanks Paul.
Paul Inglis February 4th, 2014, 11:50 AM Interested :-)
Thanks Paul.
I'll take some photos tomorrow and post them up :)
John Van den Eede February 5th, 2014, 04:45 AM Thanks ;-)
Apparently the Polish 'Foton' is working on a custom XA20 Raincover.
Will post here when there is news about that.
Paul Inglis February 5th, 2014, 08:24 AM With the microphone mount on it is a tight squeeze. It is pictured with a 828 Battery. If you remove the mic mount but leave the handle on it is a superb fit apart from accessing the flipout monitor which is restricted unless you remove the handle.
I would like to see a custom-made rain slicker from the XA20. I know wildlife watch supplies will make custom covers if you give them the dimensions.
http://mrpaulinglis.com/img/XA20CoverFront.jpg
http://mrpaulinglis.com/img/XA20CoverSide.jpg
http://mrpaulinglis.com/img/XA20CoverRear.jpg
John Van den Eede February 6th, 2014, 05:33 AM Hello Paul, indeed a tight fit :-(
An opening for the external mic would be nice to.
Is the XA20 placed on the Manfrotto MVH500A head?
Paul Inglis February 6th, 2014, 06:19 AM I forgot to mention yesterday that it isn't quite so tight on handheld shots. I've been shooting with the back open and the mic holder removed. I have the shotgun on a boom instead. The rain slicker will do until something better comes available.
Yes, that is a MVH500A Head on a set of 535 sticks. The only change is I'm not using the 500PLONG plate as it is way too long for the XA20. Instead I am happily using a 501PL plate instead. It is pretty much a perfect fit :)
Dave O'Melia May 17th, 2014, 09:58 PM I have a recently purchased Peteol PR405. Last weekend I shot a horse show and was treated to repeated showers and a modest wind. While I can shoot with the OLED open, I found that I was most comfortable using the viewfinder while it was raining. I used the VariZoom VZRock Lanc. If I mounted it about halfway up the panning bar, I could keep it covered.
I am very happy with this rain cover. It accomodates my shotgun mike and has a hood that overhangs the lens.
If you get this, practice putting it on before you must use it as it attaches to the flash mount on the handle. Easy once you figure it out but a bit rough at first.
Pay attention to how it's packaged so you can easily put it away.
I highly recommend it.
Greenlee Brittenum January 5th, 2015, 09:36 AM Kata CRC-13 works fine. I had a Canon GL-2, so I already had the cover. So I figured I would try it the XA-20. I don't use the factory mic mount and I use the BP-828 batteries. It works fine for me on a tripod.
Bryan Worsley January 7th, 2015, 07:31 PM Thanks for re-activating this older thread; I've been thinking about suitable rain covers for my Canon HF-G10.
Turns out Kata 'merged' with Manfrotto last year:
Kata merges with Manfrotto to become unrivalled in bags! - Kata Joins Manfrotto | Manfrotto (http://www.manfrotto.com/About+Us/Kata+Joins+Manfrotto/Kata+merges+with+Manfrotto+to+become+unrivalled+in+bags!/96161163)
So the Kata CRC-13 PL rain cover is now rebranded under Manfrotto:
Manfrotto MB PL-CRC-13 Replacement for Kata CRC-13 PL | B&H
Edit: I'm just wondering though whether the smaller CRC-17 model would be more suitable for casual/impromptu outdoor use with my HF-G10:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1059559-REG/manfrotto_mb_pl_crc_17_raincover_17_for_sony_handycams.html
It has no rear opening for the eyepiece, but that would be OK as long as there is enough room to fully open the LCD screen. The other consideration is audio. The CRC-17 lacks the microphone sleeve, so it would depend on what degree/quality of sound could be picked up by the built-in mics through the cover fabric and the underside opening. Feasibly a mounted external mic could be used with the CRC-13. I have an old Sony ECM-908c stereo mic that I used (before switching to a Canon DM-100) with an adapter for attaching to the rear-positioned advanced mini hot shoe plate on the HF-G10, but it would require additional bracketry to bring it forward in line with the lens hood. So probably a bit finicky to put together 'in the moment' and I'm not sure I'd want to put too much stress on that rear mini hot shoe plate. HF-G30 owners of course have the benefit of that extra, forward placed cold-shoe mount. From the product image of the CRC-17 it looks like there wouldn't be enough headroom to attach the DM-100 mic, and even if it did, I can't see that providing any acoustic advantage over the in-built mics - would probably be worse with the cover fabric rubbing against the microphone tube.
Another possibility would be something like a Ewa Marine rain cape. They list the same model VC-1M as being suitable for the entire series of Canon XA and HF-G camcorders, but from the stated dimensions I'm struggling to see how the LCD screen could be fully opened. Probably the screen would need to be folded and rotated out flat against the camcorder body, which wouldn't be much use.
http://www.ewa-marine.com/index.php?id=544&ca=C-A58&ra=&ext=&model=Canon%20HF%20G25&L=0
And again, there's the issue of audio to consider, not to mention the pros and cons of putting another piece of glass in front of the lens. Also, it looks like the VC-1M model uses a port adapter ring with a 52mm back thread for attaching to the camcorder, so it would need 58-to-52mm step down ring and I'd wonder then about vignetting.
They do have a model VC-FX1 specifically for the XF100/105 with a 58mm adapter back thread for the glass port.
http://www.ewa-marine.com/index.php?id=707&L=0
Whether it would be too large for the smaller XA20/25 and HF-G cams (given the position of the LCD screen), I'm not sure.
Anyhow, I appreciate that this thread addresses rain covers for the XA20/25 cams specifically, but I'd be interested to know what other HF-G series owners might be using for rain protection as and when the need arises.
Cheers.
Andrew Taylor February 16th, 2016, 08:09 AM Are there any other choices available that someone is currently using?
Thanks, Tim
I'm looking for a rain cover myself. I saw this Porta Brace QRS-XA20 that apparently is made specifically for the Canon XA20:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1186448-REG/porta_brace_qrs_xa20_quick_rain_slick.html
I cannot find any actual pictures (not stock photos) of the item in use, or detailed reviews except for the one on the B&H website.
Has anyone had any experience with this rain cover?
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