I just read on the official Adobe forum that CC does NOT have Encore, or indeed anyway of authoring DVD or BluRay optical media.

That disappointing change came in under (at least my) radar...Seems the Creative Suite 6 version previously available on disc is as far as Adobe will take it.

Adobe Community: Never leave CS6. CC pricing sucks, but this is even worse... (http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1235820?tstart=0)

Major rant, but I mean every word of it and for Adobe management to read it:

I did not know this and am shocked that Adobe continues to employ product managers foolish enough to repeat a major mistake so soon!

Recall that the Audition team didn't bother to put Redbook CD burning into Audition when it made its comeback to Create Suite 5.x. They got brutally pummeled for that omission (rightly so) and it was returned in CS6 merely a year ago. To forget such a clear lesson so soon and not support DVD and BR creation in this next major release is beyond belief.

I'd love for those physical media to become historical artifacts, too. But DISCS ARE NOT YET DEAD! The REALITY is that they are still in regular use. I need to produce DVDs and BRs on a regular basis, and even some Redbook CDs.

Work-arounds with legacy software don't cut it. Losing dynamic link for disc creation doesn't cut it (DL worked well for me, even if not others, and it was important to my workflow). The way I look at this unannounced abandonment of Encore development, Adobe shows up dressed to the nines with this beautiful new edition of CC on its arm...and proceeds to drop a turd into the punch bowl as the crowd gasps.

If Adobe makes content distribution more difficult for the legions of paying customers, they do so at their own risk. However, I know they do listen if the sound is loud enough. The more feedback, the more Adobe managers will heed what they're being told. I'll be contacting every Adobe employee I know and pointing them to this thread (even though I know they will see it anyway). If you don't tell Adobe your opinion, they'll assume all is well:

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform&promoid=EWQQL

I think there's a reality in the economies of scale. Adobe probably killed Encore for the same reason Apple killed DVD Studio Pro. It makes little sense for developers to through R&D, programming and QA testing for a program whose user base is shrinking rapidly rather than growing the customer base.

While it may still be possible to burn a simple screener disc, the demand for a fully authored disc is small these day. You can see this in the commercial services. Disc rental stores have been replaced by Netflix, iTunes, Hulu Plus. Even Netflix have been trying to push to streaming over by mail disc rentals. People can send 1080 HD files to their AppleTV or Roku boxes. I've gone into business meetings with 1080 video on my iPad and hooked that straight to an HDTV with dock to HDMI cable. People distribute files on sites like Vimeo that allow download or otherwise use services like Dropbox. If someone has slow internet speed you can ship someone a file on a thumb-drive... and there's no issue of your burned disc having problems in some players.

... And if a disc is an easy way to distribute you can certainly burn an high quality H.264 .mp4 to the optical disc of choice and the recipient can copy the file to whatever. It's authoring that's dying and with the economic motive to continue development of such programs.

Craig, your perspective is much different than mine so I suppose we'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.

I honestly don't like discs; they're a pain and I'll be glad when the time comes that I don't need to burn them anymore. However, the retail purchasers that small production environments cater to, which by numbers would be the lion's share of Adobe CC customers, still mostly want discs. Throwing free clips on YouTube is much easier, but for the small guys the options are fewer and the difficulty much greater to sustainably monetize HD video online.

And then there's still, "No way, my grandparents can barely work their DVD player, let alone a computer!" Check the WEVA forum...they talk about this regularly and disc is still the standard. If Adobe thumbs their noses -- like they did with Redbook CDs -- at customers wanting to do no more than maintain the disc creation capability of the previous software, they're in for a rude surprise.

Adobe's official word.

FAQ | Adobe Encore CS6 (http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.html)

Is the Encore CS6 version the final release of this product?
Yes. The trend in the video and broadcast industry is moving away from physical media distribution. The
future is in cloud and streaming content. Therefore we are focusing more on products that deliver to
streaming services. For example, Adobe Media Encoder and Adobe Premiere Pro CC include a new
feature allowing users to create iPad-ready video with QuickTime chapter markers. The Encore CS6
version will be the final release of this product.

Not really a surprise seeing that they did away with their boxed software on a disc.

Peter while you can point to exceptions but the reality of economics for big developers is real.

I've had a few clients ask for DVD and my response was ask your marketing and distribution channel really wants. The clients invariably come back and apologize and report their channels want a distributable file.

Actually monetizing file distribution for small companies have become much easier than you may be aware of. There's scores of services that provide pay per view and pay per download support.

See this on Vimeo for example. There are many other similar services.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/genre/instructional/sort:date/format:detail

See DaCast as another example with a variety of monetization options.
http://www.dacast.com/online-video-monetization.html

Well, I've been looking for an economical and easily-implemented solution for a while. Not sure what you were trying to show in Vimeo but it didn't point to anything of interest. The other link...hadn't heard of it but didn't take long to see it would not be suitable or economical for my purposes. I've been keeping an eye on / considering Smugmug since it does both still and video downloads (not just streaming) but at present it seems to have its own set of limitations and issues.

You're obviously in a different situation than am I or the many folks who frequent the WEVA forum. Case in point and unfortunately true: the majority of the older members of my own family would never see my content if I couldn't burn discs!

If Adobe makes enough from the Big Guys that they feel free to ignore the many small guys out there, so be it. But they did try it with CDs just two years ago (return of Audition) and had to admit they were wrong to have prematurely announced the death of the CD. I just don't accept that it is too high a hill for Adobe to climb to simply to increment Encore even in a feature-neutral manner. IMO, the Premiere team manager is simply repeating the mistake of the Audition team manager.

If almost nobody agrees with me, it won't matter because we few won't make enough noise to get Adobe management's attention. But if there has been another premature obituary for optical discs, the portion of the customer base who still needs to create them shouldn't be shy about giving Adobe feedback.

Although I think Redbook CD standard is a slightly different story. I doubt it takes much in the way of development and QA resources to maintain. Adobe is still distributing Encore. They've just announced that development has ceased.

Apple had a few maintenance updates to DVD Studio Pro too before it finally disappeared as well although they were certainly a few years earlier. Apple theoretically had motive to push file delivery though since Podcasts can be distributed through iTunes.

Adobe may have some file delivery motive as well. They may, for example, push for their HTML5 authoring tools which has interactivity. They do mention iPad files with chapter markers which is very easy to do.

I can't speak for WEVA but i have an anecdotal "grandma" story as well. My mother in law, nearing 80 is absolutely computer phobic... but you can't pry her iPad from her hands. Proud "grandma" has family photos and video clips ready to go with the tap of her finger. She can't work her DVD player either, which apparently doesn't get used much these days.

Personally....DVD and BluRay authoring was/is a huge part of what many people do.
Unfortunately, Encore was flaky from the get go, and was never designed from the ground up. It's a shame.

Nonetheless, i don't understand Craigs whole R&D and economics angle. At this point, It's a product that doesn't need code written from scratch. It just needs some maintenance and GUI improvements.

As far as Apple dropping DVD Studio pro, i hope Adobe doesn't go down the same business path...

Peter, maybe you didn't see my post yet when you posted. Adobe is still distributing Encore. They've just stopped development. Yes, it's flaky and it does take resources to fix those things and they may not want to spend that money. It'll probably have negligible impact on new subscriptions. I don't think people will make their CC subscription decision based on Encore and I suspect Adobe feels the same way. They might issue minor fixes as they have promised for other parts of CS6.

That it was a viable business model doesn't make it so presently. As I noted there are easy ways to deliver files and even monetize that delivery for the smallest business and individual.

I wish my clients would STOP asking for disks. I offer a online link and make the original file available
for download to them as well (digital copy) and they ALWAYS, ALWAYS ask for a physical disk.
About 75% want a DVD, about 15% want a Blu Ray and about 10% want both DVD and Blu Ray.
Most want a digital copy in addition too, but not in place of physical media. No matter that the digital
copy is in HD and just as high quality as the Blu Ray if not better, they want to physically have the
physical media. Personally, I don't like it, it costs me money to order DVD's and packaging, it costs
me shipping to ship them to them, and it costs me time to go through an additional bunch of work authoring disks.
I wish to high heaven that what Craig says is true for him, was true for me. But it is about as opposite an experience
as you can get. I have had not ONE single client go for the digital copy.....and I've been offering that for about 4 years.
Every one without fail wants a physical disk. So Adobe and Apple can preach all they want about the 'wave of the future'.
But until actual clients get onboard with that, it, like most 'marketing talk', is a long way from the truth of things. Of course
personally, it's not a big deal, as I'm not down with software 'rental' so Adobe can do whatever they want. I don't care if
'Encore CC' would author the disk automatically using my brainwaves, I'm still not signing up if it's a
monthly payment scheme.

I'm presuming that Encore will remain in the Creative Cloud downloads for the forseeable future... There's no other practical way for me to make DVDs or Blu-rays, and unfortunately my target audience is barely online, let alone happy to ditch discs!

Is there other software that is affordable and will offer the same features as Encore? Anything else I've found that is affordable (i.e $100s, not $1000s) doesn't allow anywhere near the same level of facilities for creating menus with the same level of control as Encore.

You could check out Sony Architect as an option. It comes as a bundle with Sony Vegas. It allows menus etc, but I haven't compared it with Encore and it is PC.

CD Architect 5.2 Overview (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/cdarchitect)

This isn't quite as black as reported. As a Creative Cloud subscriber you can still download & install Premiere Pro CS6 which installs Encore CS6 (then remove PP if you want) Using Encore CS6 with PremierePro CC DAV's TechTable (http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2013/05/using-encore-cs6-with-premierepro-cc.html)

I don't believe that Encore CS6 is any different to Encore CS5.5 or maybe even earlier so in terms of authoring functionality then I am happy to use the CS6 version but the downside is the Dynamic Linking from PP CC does not work for Encore CS6. This is a great feature if it works but has been so buggy that many/most people do not use it. I have been using it for the last couple of projects that I authored & it worked great so I was hoping that they would have fixed the bugs in a CC version but it's not to be evidently.

You could check out Sony Architect as an option. It comes as a bundle with Sony Vegas. It allows menus etc, but I haven't compared it with Encore and it is PC.

CD Architect 5.2 Overview (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/cdarchitect)Windows only of course although it may fwell unction in a VMware Fusion virtual machine on a Mac. I was amazed to hear the other day that people are using Edius in a VM without problems.

Windows only of course although it may fwell unction in a VMware Fusion virtual machine on a Mac. I was amazed to hear the other day that people are using Edius in a VM without problems.

Plus it only seems to do CDs!

Sony have this: DVD Architect Studio 5.0 Overview (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/dvdastudio)

But at £25 I'm not sure if it is fully-featured enough for me (i.e. full control over menu building). One will investigate later on.

I'm happy if good ol' buggy Encore remains an option and is still accessible from the CC download for now though.

Adobe is not pulling Encore CS6 from the market. If one's clients are frozen in time then you'll have the software equally frozen. It may be a concern that bugs won't get fixed and given the risk that an OS update may eventually break it, one may need to have a system equally frozen.

None of this changes the broader market condition that there's no reason for a company to continue to commit resources to a product that has a declining user base. Declining doesn't mean zero user base. It means it's no longer a product that will generate new subscriptions nor be a deciding factor in people leaving their subscriptions. They've likely determined it generates no new revenue and may not even sustain revenue.

In fact Adobe, apparently like Apple, has a motive to push you into new forms of interactive design and delivery.

Adobe, for example, mentions iPad compatible files with chapter markers. They also make software for HTML5 interactive design (and of course Flash but that's another issue).

I have a hunch, if you looked at the current marked and compared the exponential growth of tablet sales compared to the sales of Blu-ray players, the expanding market of SmartTV, Roku, AppleTV sales as well, the numbers will show the market direction. It shows where the consumer is headed. It shows where business to consumer and business to business marketing is headed. The growth numbers in those markets compared to interactive menu driven disc (no one is ending the ability to create optical disc based "screeners" or even putting files on optical disc to deliver a physical medium) are concretely visible to Adobe as it was to Apple preceding them.

Chapter markers are here to stay. The ability to have separate videos whether download or on disc are certainly still here. Physical medium delivery is not gone. Optical discs are still here. It's interactive menus (Authoring) that's in such sharp decline that major companies have no economic motive to continue R&D and QA (Quality Assurance testing).

Many years ago it was possible to buy Encore as a standalone product but it got rolled into a bundle with Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 & all subsequent versions have only been available bundled which was a shame as there are few decent Blu-ray authoring packages available for the Mac.

Craig, I get your points about the direction of the market and actually agree that's where we are heading. However, we differ on the timing of Adobe stopping development on Encore.

My opinion remains that the downgrading of disc authoring capability (eg end of Encore development) was too soon and too abrupt. Disc authoring is too fundamental a capability to toss to the curb so soon. Maybe in a couple years we'll be there, but not yet...

They create dozens of new features with every major release, and continue to support many features that only a tiny fraction customers regularly use. It cannot possibly be beyond Adobe's ability to tweak existing software to maintain existing features as the versions increment.

If Adobe had done nothing more than stay feature-neutral with an Encore CC release, I'd be perfectly happy. They're doing so much else right that it baffles me how a bad decision like this gets made.

So for those who don't care about disc authoring, you're happy. For those of us who do, let Adobe know your wishes:

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform&promoid=EWQQL

I have a hunch, if you looked at the current marked and compared the exponential growth of tablet sales compared to the sales of Blu-ray players, the expanding market of SmartTV, Roku, AppleTV sales as well, the numbers will show the market direction. It shows where the consumer is headed. It shows where business to consumer and business to business marketing is headed. The growth numbers in those markets compared to interactive menu driven disc (no one is ending the ability to create optical disc based "screeners" or even putting files on optical disc to deliver a physical medium) are concretely visible to Adobe as it was to Apple preceding them.

Chapter markers are here to stay. The ability to have separate videos whether download or on disc are certainly still here. Physical medium delivery is not gone. Optical discs are still here. It's interactive menus (Authoring) that's in such sharp decline that major companies have no economic motive to continue R&D and QA (Quality Assurance testing).

I have no doubt that the consumer market is headed this way. In a funny aside, I bought a Blu Ray
player, and it streams from every streaming service you can imagine, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime,
Crackle, YouTube, all of them. But my clients are often businesses and they don't seem to be in the
same place as consumers in my experience. I hope they get there but not holding my breath on it.
Encore CS6 works pretty well for my needs though. And it gives me a way to make fully authored
Blu Rays on my Mac, I'm pretty happy with it honestly.

Plus it only seems to do CDs!

Sony have this: DVD Architect Studio 5.0 Overview (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/dvdastudio)

But at £25 I'm not sure if it is fully-featured enough for me (i.e. full control over menu building). One will investigate later on.

I'm happy if good ol' buggy Encore remains an option and is still accessible from the CC download for now though.

DVD Architect will do CD, DVD and Bluray and unlike Encore it has audio waveforms to make it easier to set chapter markers. I use the full Pro version DVD Architect 5.2 or 6.0 that comes with Vegas Pro but I think there are not too many differences to the consumer version of DVD Architect 5.0. I use DVD Architect over Encore most of the time. I find creating menus easier in DVD Architect than in Encore.

Ron Evans

Ron, my point was that the product that Nigel linked to was CD only, I linked to the correct DVD Architect software.

I had a quick play and it seems OK, time will tell.

Yes there is a CD Architect 5.2 too that is a Red Book CD authoring application.

Ron Evans

Plus it only seems to do CDs!

Sony have this: DVD Architect Studio 5.0 Overview (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/dvdastudio)


Sorry didn't notice the CD, I assumed they were all DVD.

A HUGE part of our little shop biz involves producing DVD's/BR for industrial/commercial/institutional companies.

Their salesmen carry a DVD (even CD still) that they pop into clients computers and run a quickie presentation.

Safety and process training use these as well.

It may not be sexy, but it pays the bills and communicates well.

We tried thumbdrives but many companies have gotten smart and will not allow such 2 way devices onto their networks for fear of viruses and theft.

I completely agree with Pete Bauer on this one - as much as folks are trying to kill of optical for some reason, this medium is definitely NOT dead and will not be for some time.

And Dynamic Link from Premiere to Encore has worked well for us - till NOW!!! It allowed us to tweak away to the client's changes and needs so quickly.

ADOBE - don't blow it please.

A HUGE part of our little shop biz involves producing DVD's/BR for industrial/commercial/institutional companies.

Their salesmen carry a DVD (even CD still) that they pop into clients computers and run a quickie presentation.

Safety and process training use these as well.



The unreliability of DVD compatibility was always a challenge. Not fun when the sales person's DVD doesn't play in their potential customer's DVD player.

Honestly I can't speak for other parts of the world but everyone I know in any kind of sales position has either or both a smartphone and a tablet. Keeping the file on that and a dock to HDMI adaptor means they can play it in either 720 or 1080 on the HDTV. Granted if they don't have an HDTV and block any kind of files transfer (as you mention with thumb drives), that would be an issue.

As far as safety and training, maybe I'm interpreting it differently but I recently had a client who needed safety training with DVD delivery. After talking to them I find out there were potential issues with employees not being able to attend the training in which the DVD would be played. There were also concerns about retention when it was needed in the work environment. I asked how many of their employees carried smartphones on site. While not everyone had them, the supervisors did and a good number of employees.

The conclusion was that smartphone delivery would ensure access to the information on site for anyone who might forget aspects of the safety training. The presentations with the gathering of employees also didn't need a DVD. They had laptops and HDTV at those locations. Rather than an uprezed DVD they would playback the file from laptop to HDTV. They could distribute the file to anyone who couldn't make. No worries about needing extra copies either in that case. The result was a lower cost to them, better quality presentation in HD, file delivery to ensure on site information retention with files on smartphones.

BTW, even such DVD does not need to be an authored disc. While I can't speak for Premiere Pro, Final Cut Pro X allows export to DVD and Blu-ray with simple menus. There's no need for an authoring program.

I'll say again, it's not that optical disc is dead, it's the need for authoring that's going away. There's a score of programs that can give you a DVD or Blu-ray with simple functional menus and chapter markers.

When my clients decide they no longer want disc copies I'll stop delivering them, not when Adobe decides.

I constantly use Dynamic link to create DVDs and Blu-rays from the same project. With Cs6 I found it reliable and saved huge amounts of time and available disk space by not having to render out a master to be encoded into DVD \ BR formats.

As an owner of CS6 I was slowly coming around to the fact I will inevitably jump onto CC but this is an even bigger reason not to now. Less functionality is unacceptable to me.

Just another reason why I won't be going to CC from CS6. First there is the aspect of a business be held hostage by its license and now this...

Encore has been a source of much frustration for me as it seems like every major version has fixed the huge bug in the last one, but introduced an equally bad new bug. The list for me has been huge... I work in classical and acoustic music and while a lot of my clients want online delivery of files for YouTube and such, there are a huge number of folks that I work for who are complete technical neophytes. They want a disc that they can play in a player on their TV. Sometimes it is a DVD, sometimes, it is a Blu-ray.

No software is completely unable to be replaced. This is especially true in media- audio and video. I have no issue looking elsewhere for my software.

--Ben

I wrote to Adobe complaining about not including Encore with CC. Their answer was you can always use Encore for CS6 with CC. What a cop out and in my opinion a big mistake.

The unreliability of DVD compatibility was always a challenge. Not fun when the sales person's DVD doesn't play in their potential customer's DVD player.

Honestly I can't speak for other parts of the world but everyone I know in any kind of sales position has either or both a smartphone and a tablet. Keeping the file on that and a dock to HDMI adaptor means they can play it in either 720 or 1080 on the HDTV. Granted if they don't have an HDTV and block any kind of files transfer (as you mention with thumb drives), that would be an issue.

As far as safety and training, maybe I'm interpreting it differently but I recently had a client who needed safety training with DVD delivery. After talking to them I find out there were potential issues with employees not being able to attend the training in which the DVD would be played. There were also concerns about retention when it was needed in the work environment. I asked how many of their employees carried smartphones on site. While not everyone had them, the supervisors did and a good number of employees.

The conclusion was that smartphone delivery would ensure access to the information on site for anyone who might forget aspects of the safety training. The presentations with the gathering of employees also didn't need a DVD. They had laptops and HDTV at those locations. Rather than an uprezed DVD they would playback the file from laptop to HDTV. They could distribute the file to anyone who couldn't make. No worries about needing extra copies either in that case. The result was a lower cost to them, better quality presentation in HD, file delivery to ensure on site information retention with files on smartphones.
.

Hmmm, maybe I'm just lucky but in roughly 10 years of doing this video thing I cannot remember
a single instance of a client that couldn't play my DVD. On the other hand, my 'file based' delivery
has been a hassle. Depending on what codecs are installed on a clients computer it may or may not
play....and even more issues arise in a corporate environment where IT will not allow QuickTime or Flash
or other media players to even be installed. And then I am blamed because their computer can't play
a standard .mp4 H264 file.

I agree, Gabe.

My corporate clients are much more retro and conservative, and the bigger the corporation the harder it is to persuade them, as they have established "systems" in place. Lowest common denominator is what they like. It's a miracle they ever got past MPEG1.
I had a client 2 weeks ago ask for another copy of his video. I said, "It's an MP4 right there on your PC; copy it yourself".
No, he wanted an official copy on another disk and he was happy to pay $85 or whatever it was I charged him.

Cheers

It's important to remember that quite a few companies can still be using Windows XP in their systems. I know my bank does.

Trade Show Booth video presentations are another source of income for us - mostly small clients who setup a flat panel or rear projection screen and want looping DVD/BR discs.

It is about what the client wants and is happy with for us. Maybe Adobe might want to consider more what its clients want and decide is important to them instead of what Adobe thinks is good for them. I don't know all the ins and outs of CC including Encore - but Adobe's original upfront investment in Encore has long ago been made - it is hard to understand why, if so many of their customers still want the value of Encore, then why not just continue to include it? Why end a good working piece of the pie that is essentially already paid for?

Just came across this linked from one of the Adobe forums

Using Encore CS6 with PremierePro CC DAV's TechTable (http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2013/05/using-encore-cs6-with-premierepro-cc.html)

What a shame!
I bough CS 6 for Encore because Apple left DVD Studio Pro… I enjoyed to make Blu-rays with interactive menus and DTS-HD surround sounds (thanks to optionnal plug-ins). Encore looked like the future of authoring softwares. But now Adobe let it down? Oh no! It's far too soon! Please Adobe, don't make the same errors that Apple's did!
One thing is sure: no CC for me.

Well despite the obvious continuing need for delivery on optical media, I continue to read that Adobe is standing by their decision to EOL Encore.

Everyone I know thinks that is a bad decision. Adobe is starting to feel very Apple-like... Adobe was listening to their customers ... but loosing that feeling now.

Encore was a fine working and very much useful product - why not keep it in the CC with Dynamic Link and just leave it alone - no need for further development. The investment was already made and works fine.

I view this as bad news for me... one day in the future at least.

I'm still using Production Premium CS5 and make DVDs all the time using dynamic link. I love that feature.

Someone commented earlier about DVD compatibility issues... I know for me and my buddies in this area, we've been producing event videos for over 13 years now, and BIG events like marching band competitions and dance recitals with hundreds and hundreds of students and have had insignificant amounts of compatibility issues. Especially in the later years. Now, granted early on in the late 90's early 2000s it was somewhat of a concern, but I know I haven't had a single person say they can't play a DVD-R that I've made in the last 5 years. And I've made hundreds.

For a weekend warrior like myself, DVD is still the preferred medium of delivery.

My main concern with going to a digital delivery format would of course be unauthorized copying. I can see how this would be a problem at marching band competitions and dance recitals and would very likely impact my profits. I'm not too worried about the weddings, because I charge enough for those that they can copy all they want. lol

But, I guess maybe I'll have to look into some form of digital delivery in the future it looks like.

I don't plan to upgrade to anything new for quite some time, as CS5 is still working great for me... but when the time comes, I'll investigate the options for sure, because I believe DVD delivery will still be the preferred medium of delivery for event videos in the foreseeable future, say the next 5 years give or take.

I agree that things are definately moving towrds all digital delivery, but there are some niche markets like mine (and others as they have expressed here) where DVD still makes sense.

Just came across this linked from one of the Adobe forums

Using Encore CS6 with PremierePro CC DAV's TechTable (http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2013/05/using-encore-cs6-with-premierepro-cc.html)
I just ran into this while converting my last computer from CS6 to CC. The work around works - when you uninstall CS6 just uncheck Encore, and Encore CS6 remains. But my fear is that with lack of support Encore will become incompatible with future CC dynamic link versions.

Also, if you failed to save Encore before uninstalling CS6 - then reinstall CS6 and uninstall it and uncheck Encore to keep it.

But my fear is that with lack of support Encore will become incompatible with future CC dynamic link versions.That's exactly the gripe: Adobe is already not supporting dynamic link between PPro CC and Encore CS6. If they'd just kept Encore feature-neutral with CC, there would be few complaints.

Although I load a lot of client files to the web. I deliver on blu-ray as well.

If you want your client to see the detail and just how great a picture your camera produces, a bluray will beat the web any day hands down. And I think that's important that a client see that as they are paying a good price for it.

Craigs 1990 thought about incompatibility is quite bogus today. I can't remember a client having a compatibility issue in recent years or ever for that matter.

But I do here clients having bandwidth issues. All the time. Even Vimeo suggest 5000kps for HD uploads. I have neighbors who cant reach that consistently. ISP's in the U.S. want us to pay for it then they'll build it.

I'm all in favor of web delivery but it sometimes presents more issues. It's not the answer for large files and long form either. And it doesn't look anywhere near as good as your work delivered on blu-ray.

Adobe officially ends Encore - No More Encore – Adobe’s DVD Authoring App Gets End of Life Status | Premiumbeat.com (http://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/no-more-encore-adobes-dvd-authoring-app-gets-end-of-life-status/)

I thought there was a huge wedding DVD industry...and what about Blu-ray movies?

I suspect it's very easy for companies to believe that everyone has cutting edge internet connections, whereas reality is somewhat different. Because a trend is in a certain direction, doesn't mean that everyone will instantly transfer over to the new technology. I know a number of people in the industry who still have CRT televisions because they prefer the pictures.

We do a great deal of work for trade shows using video in their booths. Even when we show these clients the ease of running the presentations from a laptop, they still prefer optical discs. Heck, many still prefer a DVD over a Blu-Ray.

Adobe has prided themselves on being ahead of the curve and we have all benefited from this. But this time, they have gone way beyond the curve and we are hurt by it. DVD and Blu-ray are still very much a part of this industry. Don't think they did their homework. As Pete said, just keep Encore in the CC as is - it's a no-brainer.

I'm thinking there is a Risk/Cost benefit to using a DVD as opposed to a Laptop or Media player. Perhaps as flat screen TV's with built in media player tech becomes more common, we could have clients play their video directly from a memory stick plugged into the TV. The only thing I can see may hold that up is people who are technophobes and dont understand the new technology. Whereas DVD has been around long enough that most everybody is comfortable with it, knows how to use it and it is cheap and low risk. If lost or stolen they are only out a copy of the disc and a DVD player (which can be replaced at any store for less than $40).

+1 for paying customers using DVD's...I still burn 'em, and my clients are happy.

I want to clarify a comment made earlier in this thread. I own CS 5.5. If I subscribe to CC, will I be able to download Premiere Pro CS6 (with Encore) at no additional charge?

Are there any significant feature upgrades from Encore 5.5 to 6?

Jim you will have to ask Adobe but I doubt it. I just paid to update to CS6 from CS5.5 so I could have my last Premiere Pro update unless Adobe drops their poorly thought out software rental fiasco with CC.

To Jim: you can confirm with an adobe rep but, I was able to install Premiere Pro CS6 Family, which includes Encore at no extra cost. I used the adobe application manager.

A Creative Cloud subscription gives you access to all the CS6 applications just as it has since it was introduced over a year ago. It now also gives you access to all the new CC versions. It would have made no sense to drop CS6 applications forcing current subscribers to upgrade to CC.