After owning t2i for almost 2 years. I am now getting my second camera: Canon 6d. Frankly I am not happy getting another camera cause I'm over the camera-hype. Any-who, what are the consensus and opinion on this camera?

Victor,
Does it have a headphone jack?

I want a dslr with a headphone jack in that price range.

After owning t2i for almost 2 years. I am now getting my second camera: Canon 6d. Frankly I am not happy getting another camera cause I'm over the camera-hype. Any-who, what are the consensus and opinion on this camera?

My comments will be on its video capabilities, its aliasing and moire is much worse than the older 5D2. If you plan on getting it to shoot raw with magic lantern its not looking good due to sd card recording, ML devs currently have more success with CF speeds.
Also no headphone jack.

The best canon performer out there right now and best bang for buck is the 5D3.

My comments will be on its video capabilities, its aliasing and moire is much worse than the older 5D2. If you plan on getting it to shoot raw with magic lantern its not looking good due to sd card recording, ML devs currently have more success with CF speeds.
Also no headphone jack.

The best canon performer out there right now and best bang for buck is the 5D3.

Yeah... but I don't have money for that. Have anyone tried Raw recording with a top of the line Sandisk cards for the 6d?

My wife uses the 6D for her photography, and I recently used it in a film contest I was doing, because I needed good low light capabilities (which the 6D is very good at). Video is below, with a blog post about how it was made:

Date Night with DoTERRA on Vimeo

Bills Films Blog: Date Night with DoTERRA (http://billsfilms.blogspot.com/2013/05/date-night-with-doterra.html)

I primarily use my GH2 for video work, but like I said, I really needed something that was better in low light. I know that the aliasing and moire are worse on the 6D than on the 5DII, but I didn't notice any in the video I shot above.

SB

After owning t2i for almost 2 years. I am now getting my second camera: Canon 6d. Frankly I am not happy getting another camera cause I'm over the camera-hype. Any-who, what are the consensus and opinion on this camera?

It's very much like the rebel series (the T3i came out right ?after? it) with better lower ISO noise, more dynamic range (but not a huge amount) much better auto-focus; but NO flip out screen. Not sure how it would compare to the T5i, though.

Yeah... but I don't have money for that. Have anyone tried Raw recording with a top of the line Sandisk cards for the 6d?

Personally, if I were also made to choose what to get, and that the mkIII is not included in the option, and knowing what I know about current magic lantern developments, then I would probably get a slightly used or refurbished 5D mark II.

Currently, I have it with a VAF, and magic lantern, I can have more resolution from the raw video added by ML second in quality and resolution only to the mkIII.

The VAF had solved the aliasing and moire issues which is was bad. The 6D however is worse in aliasing and moire. adding the VAF to the 5D would still keep costs down. VAF is also available for 6D.

The ML implementation has really extended the usefulness of the mkII including audio monitoring, split audio channels with independent controls, fps, etc. so for me, the ability to integrate magic lantern well is a serious consideration in making a choice.

The SD data bus on cameras using sd cards is really a bottleneck that ML developers are having difficulty in overcoming. So far CF bus is faster in ML tests.

Here's a test done by planet5d comparing the 5d2,5d3,6d, to show how each handled moire and aliasing.
Canon Full Frame Shootout! Canon EOS 6D vs Canon EOS 5D Mark III vs Canon EOS 5D Mark II - YouTube

It's interesting how the 5d mark 2 is still a great camera today.

Once we decided to go DSLR, the T3i (and now the T5i) and a gently used Mark ii were our direction as the best combo of price versus performance. And both tend to give good access to Magic Lantern updates.

It's interesting how the 5d mark 2 is still a great camera today.

I was just at Best Buy thinking of buying one of their t5i bundles (t5 w/18-135mm + extra Canon 55-250mm) for 1249.98 (no sales tax here in Oregon either). They had the 5D Mark II for $1899 (body only). Which was sorely tempting, even though I'd have to buy a lens. $2000 cheaper than the Mark III.

Since I don't do freelance full time any more I'm not sure I can justify buying a Mark III, but that Mark II..hmm.

@ Jeremiah,

I think Victor already bought the 6D. :)

If you're tempted by the 5D2 and plan to use it for video more than stills, seriously consider factoring in the cost of a VAF. Otherwise, brickhouses and pinstripe suits will give you nightmares. :)

Here's how better your 5D2 will become with it.

VAF-5D2 Optical Anti-Aliasing Filter outdoor and fabric textures test 2 - YouTube

I upgraded all 3 of my T3i to 6D. The low light is amazing. Check this out. It is filming at P mode ISO 12800

Canon 6D Low Light at ISO 12800 on Vimeo

The Moire doesn't bother me at all. It's about the same on 5D2.

This is a Same Day Edit I did with 6D

Doris & Trung - Same Day Edit on Vimeo

I just switched from a 5D2 to a 6D... The moire and aliasing seem identical, as does the resolution and dynamic range. However, there is a tremendous advantage to the 6D in low-light performance and noise. The 6D is on par with the mark III in low-light performance.

The decision ultimately depends on what you shoot. I don't shoot brick walls or fine pattern textiles and frequently film ENG-style at night, so the 6D is a big upgrade. The ergonomics are a bit strange and there is no Kelvin adjust button, which baffles me. However, Magic Lantern has a push-button auto white balance and manual Kelvin adjust, which both work awesome.

Also, the 6D has built-in wifi, but the wifi is disabled in video mode. So there is no remote viewing or triggering the video. Works great for stills or timelapse though.

somewhat noob here. what is VAF?

Mosaic Engineering makes VAFs...

HDSLR Video Aliasing / Moiré Filters (VAF) (http://mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf.html)

I was just at Best Buy thinking of buying one of their t5i bundles (t5 w/18-135mm + extra Canon 55-250mm) for 1249.98 (no sales tax here in Oregon either). They had the 5D Mark II for $1899 (body only). Which was sorely tempting, even though I'd have to buy a lens. $2000 cheaper than the Mark III.

If you go with the Rebel Series, don't bother with kit lens. Even if you want those lenses, you can buy them gently used for cheaper than that bundle.

Unless you really want the extra cross points in auto-focus, and if money is an issue, the T3i or T4i would be cheaper (used or not), and Magic Lantern will get you your continuous recording. Then use the extra money for a better lens. Even the 28mm-135mm f/3.5-5.6 (which I think can be had used for $225 and serve you better than that 18-135. At least it would mount on a mark ii or iii if you by one later. That 250mm on a crop factor is actually 400mm. I can't imagine you'd need that.

Well, basically I have about 1500 saved at the moment. I don't do as much freelance as I used to, I have a regular gig now. It would mostly be used for photos and occasional videography. I have seen a number of pieces shot with the EOS Rebel series and they looked pretty good considering it's a crop sensor. Bleah. Maybe I'll just keep saving, hehe.

thanx Jon. quite a cost for it. Are there any other VAFs out there that also work good?

Well, basically I have about 1500 saved at the moment. I don't do as much freelance as I used to, I have a regular gig now. It would mostly be used for photos and occasional videography. I have seen a number of pieces shot with the EOS Rebel series and they looked pretty good considering it's a crop sensor. Bleah. Maybe I'll just keep saving, hehe.

My understanding is, if you're planning on doing photos often, the 7D (and maybe the t5i, though I have no direct experience with it) would be your best bet, then. Example: Used Canon EOS 7D SLR Digital Camera (Body Only) 3814B056AA B&H

For video, other than buttons, layout, and swivel screen or not (have one if you can), there isn't a real big difference between any of the rebel series and 7D. Auto focus features are very different but in video modes, you'd be doing it manual anyway.

I stand by my suggestion to ignore the kit lenses, though.

I just switched from a 5D2 to a 6D... The moire and aliasing seem identical, as does the resolution and dynamic range. However, there is a tremendous advantage to the 6D in low-light performance and noise. The 6D is on par with the mark III in low-light performance.


I agree. I haven't found the 6D to be any worse than the 5D2 and the low-light is awesome.

I don't think a purchase decision should be made based on MLs raw recording. However I've been able to successfully record a few clips without too much hassle. Would never use it for a paying gig though unless it was a 2nd backup jam cam or something. My plan is to keep shooting normally with the 6D and upgrade my t2i eventually to a used 5D2 and use that for crazy ML stuff.

Canon 6D Raw Recording Tests on Vimeo