You seem to be able to tell what other people are thinking , what other people value?
Yes I do, just the way you seem to know how some of us videographers think or what we value. :)

This is going nowhere, time to move on.

I agree it's time to move on, and this will be my last point on the matter of clergy in this thread

I agree with Al that all clergy shouldn't be blamed for the actions of a few, but I think the basic point that Noa was making and certainly my own thoughts, is that because of the actions of a few, the general public perception of the Church as a whole has subtly changed, with less blind trust than there used to be. To that end, it is up to the clergy to offer a more welcoming and open face to help restore confidence and part of that may well be a more cooperative approach to non church professionals both with weddings and other areas. That means meaningful discussion over requirements rather than a blanket and authoritarian imposition of personal interpretation of the rules in my opinion.

Roger.

While I agree that Al's statements can be viewed as over generalisation, which he himself admitted was the case, there is merit to what he says about attitude and respect. Not wishing to speak for other Videographers, but I myself can get so caught up in getting my shots I can ignore the impact it has on others and it's good to be reminded that I must put my work in perspective of the day. However whilst the idea of respecting guests, clergy, and any Wedding Professional is a good one, in practise each Wedding is different, has it's own challenges and frequently we're called on to make on the fly choices that balance the needs of getting the required shots with the need to be both unobtrusive and respectful of the other Wedding professionals and Guests. A fine balancing act I hope I usually get right, but I can't always guarantee it - to be frank I'm not that good 100% of the time. Like any profession I have my off days, where I make the wrong call.

Remember as with anyone that works Weddings, we have certain obligations and needs too that we must stick up for, it's our job to do so. Blocking guests isn't ideal, but the issues of the Ceremony and Speeches aside, I feel it's the 1st Dance and Cake Cutting where I'm more a nuisance. Small confined dance floor, lots of guests surrounding it. To get any shot, I have to be at the front, not only taking up a space a valued guest would like but also blocking the view of other guests. The Photographer, or shall I say Photographers, as like Policemen they frequently travel in pairs are doing much the same.
At the end of the day guests must also respect that such Professionals are there doing a job for the benefit of the Bride and Groom - some I'm sure don't respect you for that but until they invent remote controlled flying micro cameras I can master control from a Operation Van outside, I'm going to be around to offend anyone who wants to be offended.