Chris,
Use the FPS override to get 23.976. You will know its now at that framerate when you change the hieght or width in ML menu the small note below will indicate, the framerate and data rate needed for the card.

Also, upon import of the DNGs to your NLE or AE, conform your DNG sequence to 23.976

I'm absolutely floored by some of these test video. Holy moly!

Chris,
Use the FPS override to get 23.976. You will know its now at that framerate when you change the hieght or width in ML menu the small note below will indicate, the framerate and data rate needed for the card.

Also, upon import of the DNGs to your NLE or AE, conform your DNG sequence to 23.976

Thanks again Ted. That should give me a longer run on that slow card too, I would think.

Could someone shoot a chart, please?

Go to my videos at post # 20
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-video-industry-news/516139-magic-lantern-unlocks-canon-5d-shoot-14-bit-raw-via-liveview-2.html#post1793351

and post #30
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-video-industry-news/516139-magic-lantern-unlocks-canon-5d-shoot-14-bit-raw-via-liveview-2.html#post1795578

near the end.

:)

Whatever Magic Lantern are doing it is close to magic & totally different to that Emperors New Clothes nonsense of removing the OLPF that was promulgated last year. The resolution & detail with the 'raw' images is vastly better than the compressed H.264 images normally recorded to card or the uncompressed stream via HDMI.

It is categorically not just cropping the sensor although that option is also a feature. Here is a link to a video of some birds shot with a Canon 600mm f/4 IS II lens with a 1.4x TC in 'raw' then the same birds using the 5X crop option (equivalent to a 4000mm lens on a full frame sensor!) Canon 5D Mark III RAW Test [Magic Lantern ML v2.3.NEXT.2013 - May 14] - Eastern Bluebird on Vimeo

Here is a comparison between C100 & 5D3 'raw' where the footage looks all but identical in terms of resolution. Magic Lantern enables 14-bit RAW CinemaDNG on 5D - Page 23 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?306673-Magic-Lantern-enables-14-bit-RAW-CinemaDNG-on-5D&p=1986320528&viewfull=1#post1986320528)

Aside from the limitations of 40-50 second takes with no audio & 6GB/minute storage requirement there are some really amazing images being delivered. Even if this isn't practical for most people to use it does demonstrate what is possible even with current cameras. If Canon won't produce a full frame 'raw' camera based on the 5D3 then perhaps some enterprising hot rodders can bolt on an SSD interface and a few other goodies to produce a cheap baby Epic?

Update on 5d mk2 build using newer build.

Getting better, with raw record now triggered by LV button instead of from menu.

Audio recording with Raw now works in 5d2 with separate wav file. on NLE i noticed 4 frame delay in 30p. (move wav file back 4 frames to sync.)

in 24p there is 2 frame delay for the wav file. ( move it 2 frames to sync)

Its still quirky but getting better. :)

For those with a 5DmkII and a VAF filter, I tested that the filter is essential at 1x resolution.

However, its mushed up soft when used at 5X crop mode.

Crop mode is sharp and detailed without the VAF.

Here is a new chart test at 1880 x 1080 & 1920 x 1078 comparing the DNGs with a still CR2 sraw2 frame and also with a chart at h264.

5D MKII + Magic Lantern Raw + VAF Res Chart test - YouTube

And for some updates over at ML site;

Cinema DNG is being worked on or at least to make the DNGs compatible with resolve.

Developers are attempting to do 12bit or 10bit raw thereby having the potential to lower the datarate making it possible to go higher resolution on older cameras.
Also they are looking at possible option to choose, 14bit, 12bit or 10bit.

The folks over at EOSHD.com have posted some more test results. Look at the resolution that the new Magic Lantern software is getting on the 5D III. (they compare it to the C300 and FS100)

Canon 1D C vs 5D Mark III Raw (and C300 / GH2 resolution comparison) | EOSHD.com (http://www.eoshd.com/content/10475/canon-1d-c-vs-5d-mark-iii-raw-and-c300-gh2-resolution-comparison)

Looks like the news is getting worse for Canon's C100/300/500 product lines. (I'd bet that BlackMagic is not happy about it either)

Wow.....I think this will be the spark that creates a BIG fire across the entire industry. It's time for Canon, Sony and Panny to rethik and possibly re-plan their future product forcasting, marketing and R&D.

Is it possible that the "big 3" will all have $1,000 -$3,000 RAW recording cameras in 2 or 3 years? (as an option along with the usual CODEC stuff)

Cliff-
No, the Cinema EOS line is not in trouble...the 5D is still a DSLR, a still camera that one has to add a fair amount of accessories to make it a functioning video camera that you can shoot with. The C100/300/500 are functioning video cameras that are, for the most part, ready to go. As for the 5D's unlocked chip being better than the C series chip, while it's mega pixel count is bigger, tests and real world usage will determine where it lands.....

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Cliff, Jim - I think you're both right.

Reality is that Canon has already likely peaked in terms of C300 sales. And nary a Canon fan boy (which I counted myself among) was pleased with the pricing of these cinema cameras.

What these hacks prove - if it needed proving at this point - is that Canon could make a much cheaper cinema camera if they desired. It also shows that the BMC camera pricing isn't a fluke.

Immediately, the impact will be small - few if any pros would risk a hack of any kind on a paying job, and even fewer with a hack this new. Few full length narrative movies would want to use A) a DSLR or B) one with a hack. But some will. And those few brave souls will produce some stunning footage (heck, they already have), footage that other shooters will ultimately have to match at some point.

All of which means companies who have been very active in the market in the past two years - Canon, Sony, and BMC - will have to make some sort of adjustments, even if it's just in pricing. For other companies who have been relatively quiet - like Panasonic and Nikon - they will have to decide if they will even try to get share of the market all all.

For those curious to know about the rolling shutter "bendy thingy" in raw dng mode, I made this test with 2 cameras camparing raw video vs h264.

Since I only have one 5D2 and a 7D, I shot them first both at H264 to create a baseline behavior.
If both have similar behavior in h264, then I can use the 7D to do a side by side with the 5D recording raw while the 7D at h264.

The result I was after is not to see which camera was better but rather to have a basis to see if RS was any worse for just one camera (the 5D) between two formats, Raw DNG and H264.
The result I got for the first test, which was H264 on both, was what I used as basis to see in the second, which is raw and H264 if there is a difference between raw and h264 for the 5D alone.
That was my objective. Not as weather one cam had better RS effect than the other.

You can draw your own conclusions.

5DmkII + ML Raw Rolling Shutter Test DNGs vs H264 - YouTube

I think that the C100/300/500 are better cameras than the 5D III for video. However, the 5D II/III have created a niche market that is still pretty large. There have always been 101 reasons "not" to record on a DSLR, but that hasn't seemed to slow down the DSLR video growth.

I think this new Magic Lantern development will re-start a new desire for the low end buyers to keep using their 5D's. Yes, the workflow for this thing is a PITA but has not stopped people in the past. These shooters have always seemed to be happy using work around after work around to get the job done.

These new Magic Lantern tests are a bit startling and a bit disturbing. If this software continues to mature and if they develop a more streamlined workflow?...than I don't see thing being a simple "flash in the pan". I think the rest of the industry is going to be forced to acknowledge this capability.

I have never shot RAW sensor video before. I'm and EX1r and FS100 guy. But you better believe I'm jumping on that little BlackMagic Pocket Camera for 1,000 bucks. It will my first "toe in the water" in the RAW recording swimming pool.

I dunno,...only time will tell but I bet that "cheap" RAW recording will not go away and will only grow in a couple of years.

Maybe I'm wrong?

Cliff,

I came from DIY 35mm adapter era, making work arounds to get things done is part of what I call fun. :)

Cross your fingers, I think the ML hackers just smashed the 4gig limit on the 5D mkII. I'll be testing it later.
:) Every couple of so hours something new comes up.

I don't know if anybody has said this before but I thought I'd go ahead and mention it anyway;

The Magic Lantern team is amazing and they have been able to reverse engineer Canon cameras to an amazing degree. I'm not really a "conspiracy" guy but Magic Lantern seems to have gotten very deep into these camera's firmware and and their circuits.

Question: Is Magic Lantern just "that" good? Or, are they receiving "assistance" from inside Canon? (some form of insider knowledge?)

I can't think of any other cameras that have been hacked this deep or this thoroughly.

My guess is that ML is just "that" good?

CT

Magic Lantern has built on CHDK which has been around for over five years and doing similar things to enhance the functionality of Canon's point & shoot cameras.

It is quite amazing. The images coming out only after a few weeks of the RAW discovery are really nice. Nice enough to have an impact on the industry going forward imho. While I think exisiting cameras will not be impacted too much, the next round of camera development will need to be that much better and more affordable to get consumer interest. In short, the cat is out of the bag, the bar has been raised, or any other saying you can add.

Basically, the 5DMKIV needs to have RAW video as an option to be a successful camera in the video marketplace. In their way, ML is forcing the hand of the camera makers going forward.

Basically, the 5DMKIV needs to have RAW video as an option to be a successful camera in the video marketplace. In their way, ML is forcing the hand of the camera makers going forward.
Or Canon could do what manufacturers frequently do and remove or limit the ability to hack the camera, either by encrypting the firmware or hardwiring limitations into the hardware (like the 22-MBps data rate in the SD controller). It's apparent by the pricing of the C series that Canon wishes to overcharge and underfeature its cameras, to perpetuate the the excessive price premium for "professional" video equipment.

The day will come when the cash flow of these companies in the video market will be generated by lenses only, not by cameras.

Yeah, we are now seeing lower end cameras that looking more and more like their upper tier counterparts. More and more people are making great productions on far cheaper gear. (I don't see this trend reversing)

Just wondering here,...Let's say Canon, Sony and Panny were to each build a $3,000 -$4,000 camera with 12bit RAW recording, Super 35 sensor and proper XLR audio input. How would that affect each company's $10,000+ models? If Sony made this fantasy camera for that low price, would you still save up for an F55 at five times the cost? (an F55 would be allot less attractive)

Great looking and super CHEAP RAW cameras can literally destroy the industries "normal" business model. There could come a day in the near future where a $4,000 camera could literally have virtually all the features, functions and image quality that a Sony F55 or C500 has.

I tip my hat to Magic Lantern and especially BlackMagic for creating this kind of pressure on the big 3. If Sony, Canon and Panny's future business plan is to just ignore what is happening on the "grass roots" level?...they will only make their competition stronger and certainly make BlackMagic very very happy.

Wow...does anybody think that cheap, high quality, RAW recording is an obscure "fad" and will just "go away" soon? Anybody?

There could come a day in the near future where a $4,000 camera could literally have virtually all the features, functions and image quality that a Sony F55 or C500 has.

Yep, I agree -- especially the "literally have virtually" part. But isn't this pretty much what has happened all along -- remember when the 5D2 initially was released, etc, etc...?

-- peer

Another nice feature of recording in Raw mode with the 5D mkII is that on my SWIT HD monitor, the resolution won't drop down to SD anymore when recording!
In fact there is now no delay or glitch.

The bug is, it hangs the camera if you try to view the footage with HDMI cable attached ( ERR 70 ) so if if want to view footy, remove the hdmi cable.


I'm still using may 29th build. A reminder that this is all subject to improvements every day.

Ted
Thanks for your reportage! (on both mk2&3)
Double Happiness
J

Another nice feature of recording in Raw mode with the 5D mkII is that on my SWIT HD monitor, the resolution won't drop down to SD anymore when recording!
In fact there is now no delay or glitch.

The bug is, it hangs the camera if you try to view the footage with HDMI cable attached ( ERR 70 ) so if if want to view footy, remove the hdmi cable.


I'm still using may 29th build. A reminder that this is all subject to improvements every day.

I now have a 1000x card ( Komputer Bay) which was recommended by someone testing these versions of ML. I get video to the 4 gig limit in the 1880 x 840 size. I think that is the best I can do with my 5D Mark II. So my next step is to test the version that steps past the 4gig limit.

Ted, how is that working out for you. Can PM me the latest update ?

Chris,

Tested with 2 spanned files totalling 5.25 gig so far so good. Will test for more than 9 gig.

Caution, do not use the drag over the raw2dng method for join and extract.

Join the spanned files first via the command prompt method then extract the joined file by draging over the raw2dng.

Thanks Ted for information. Back to command prompts ? Arggg.... I thought I wouldn't see that again. I will have to take a look at the process .

I send an email to enquiring party about my latest adventures with the latest builds. I am appending that below. I got pink screen with both 30 th and 31st versions. Not sure what that means, but I got clean video using the 29th build thanks again for pointing me to the location.

My further notes:

The Magic Lantern Raw for 5D II and all other cams is still in development phase. I am currently working with nightly upgrades that create their own little quirks and issues. Eventually, they will get it working right.

I am using a "Komputerbay" 1000x 64 gb card I ordered from New Egg, as I recall. It ran around $ 100 USD. It was one that I had seen others indicate was working so I took a chance.

The widest I get with current set up is 1880 pix and a pix height of 840. Makes a nice 235:1 aspect ratio. They are adjusting more in the various versions, so I am sure there will be more changes. So yes, they are taking out of the center of the imaging chip, though there is not much left on the sides to get to 1920. There is a message that shows camera configuration cannot reach 1920 wide, which is the full frame.

The latest version I have worked with had capability of recording sound in a wave file form. It does eat up band width that makes it harder for the camera to record at the higher resolutions.

Most recent version also has continuous recording, through the 4 gigabyte range limitation. Hurray for that.

Remember that beautiful Big Sur video shot with the BMCC?
Well here is another, this time shot by a 5DmkIII.

Bmcc
Meet Me in Big Sur on Vimeo

5DmkIII+ML Raw (pre alpha build may 22)
Big Sur RAWesome - Magic Lantern RAW 5D Mark III testing on Vimeo

I'll avoid making my personal comments and opinions as I have my own needs. I just wanted to share this as they have some sort of the same treatment for the same subject.

Lets not judge who did a better video since those are creative and thus subjective choices, I'm just amazed how both are capable tools. One is a new camera the other is running on hacked firmware and doing what its not supposed to be doing. ;)

The biggest difference I see with the 5d (with raw or without raw) is with the dr but mainly with the sharpness, there is much more very fine detail visible but I have not seen a 5d raw video yet that wows me like some bmc footage has done, like the one Andrew made.

The example video you showed looks much more plain compared to the bmc one. I see people comparing it to the bmc but I think, based on what I have seen so far, the bmc is still one step above, is it up to lack of knowledge, not knowing how to lift the footage to a higher level? I don't know, but even with the bmc I have seen a lot of crap looking footage as well so that might be the case.

But just the fact that you have the option to improve on the 5d's image quality to such extent is making the 5d a much more versatile camera. I was planning on getting a bmc pocket camera mainly for it's size and wide dr but since I have to invest in new glass as well I might as well cough up a bit more and get a 5dIII body as I do have a set of lenses for that, it will also fit right into my current paid projects workflow where the pocket camera would mainly be used for personal projects.

I only wonder if Canon will do something to prevent the ML firmware to be loaded by updating their own firmware or even make a change to their hardware? In the past the ML firmware was not much of a threat to their camera line up as it only did improve on functionality but the raw hack, when it will get stable, would be a threat to their much more expensive c line of camera's.

This was my first thought when I read about the RAW efforts. Canon will probably sell more 5D's but this was clearly not in their gameplan. Once the cameras are in the wild, there is nothing they can do other than sue ML and get them to stop making their firmware addons.

Canon won't be suing Magic Lantern developers as reverse engineering is perfectly legitimate even when done commercially. I don't believe that Tamron & Sigma licence anything from Canon they just figured out how to get their lenses to talk to Canon bodies. ML has not infringed any Canon patent or copyright.

As of yesterday, they have now made windows and osx converters with GUI to turn ML raw to Cinema DNGs compatible with resolve and speedgrade.

I have tested mkII footage and I was able to open it in resolve. They are ironing out technical quirks like, black levels, larger than 2gig files, etc. Amazing times. :)

On the topic of Canon suing ML, I have some thoughts. Canon, from my conversations with various people in the company, is extremely supportive of their community. They added 24p because people asked for it. They added better codecs, dual slots, and reduced video moire in the mk3 because people asked for it. They added slowmotion because... you get the idea. I feel like they've done everything within their power to give us what we desire, short of releasing source code. The C100/300/500 exists because it is exactly what we wanted!

Sony is doing great things in the mid-range with their F3/5, and Blackmagic is making a strong play, but I have to give credit to Canon for paving the way and continuing to innovate. And of course for listening to all our seemingly bizarre feature requests like crop mode on the t3i ;)

Just came across this...

Without You - Aware of Nature on Vimeo

On the topic of Canon suing ML, I have some thoughts. Canon, from my conversations with various people in the company, is extremely supportive of their community.

Canon does what any other major camera manufacturer does, they don't give us what we want, they cripple each model depending on it's price, the more ridiculous expensive it gets, the more you get what you asked for. Each (cheaper) model does have the features we all wanted but never got from Canon and which thx to the ML team have been provided to us, not by Canon.

The C100/300/500 exists because it is exactly what we wanted

Except that the C100 has 4:2:0 24Mbit AVCHD while the C300 has 4:2:2 50Mbit MPEG2 - it wouldn't have cost them more to put the higher quality codec into the cheaper camera, even though everyone wanted it. It's done purely to create a greater marketing differentiation between the two. So while they may have designed these cameras to address what the market was asking for, they've also been careful to do so in a way that protects their higher margins. What ML is doing goes against that philosophy by enabling the lower-margin equipment to outperform Canon's more profitable stuff.

Now I don't think this necessarily means Canon will fight them, because I expect most of their higher-end market would be pretty reluctant to use an unauthorized hack on any professional job. But I also wouldn't expect them to promote or encourage what ML is doing for the same reason.

As an update, I guess by now it is safe to clarify my original post which states "raw in liveview" since by now its clear that we have "raw video" coming out of, not only of the 5D, but also from a lot of the canon DSLRs including one that is not supposed to shoot any video, the 50D.

The 5D mkIII now has full HD resolution for Raw @ 1920 x 1080 24P, 25P and also 60P at 1280 x 720 or 1920 x 672, but since I don't have that camera I will let those who have it and tested the ML Raw to chime in and state the details.

For the 5DmkII, it is out of pre-alpha and now has ALPHA 1.
For those who are following the nightly builds, the June 12 compile by developer a.d. is the module version of ALPHA 1.
Link to jun 12 NB:
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/a4ed3721fc44.zip

Alpha 1 is for those who are starting from scratch.
Link to ALPHA 1:
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_Alpha_One.zip

Alpha 1 PDF instructions:
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_Alpha_One.pdf

There is now jun 13 NB (able to save your settings implemented )
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/ee3385aa13bd.zip

here are SOME of the 5D raw resolutions, aspect ratio and its status. (using a 1000x Lexar CF card)

1880x1058 -- 16:9 -- 400 frames approx.

1880x940 -- 2:1 -- 1,900-2,400 frames approx.

1880x854 -- 2.20:1 -- stable/continuous til card full

1728x972 -- 16:9 -- stable/continuous til card full

1728x864 -- 2:1 -- stable/continuous til card full


In 3x (5X magnify) crop mode ( note for now NB jun 12, centering and cropping in this mode is off a bit to the left)
crop mode will give optimum results when used with FPS over ride (23.976)

2152x1078 -- 2:1 -- 184 frames approx.

2048x1078 -- 1.90:1 -- 242 frames approx.

1920x1078 -- 16:9 -- 335 frames

1880x1058 --16:9 -- 430 frames approx.

1880x854 -- 2.20:1 -- stable/continuous

1728x972 -- 16:9 -- stable/continuous

There are more resolution and aspect ratio combinations.

For now the raw video in the 5D2 records beyond the 4gig limit by spanning several files.

Programmers have written several programs to extract the dngs, combine the spanned files and convert them to files understood by most systems.

Post processing:

Aside from DNGs you also can convert them to Cinema DNGs to make them compatible with Resolve.

RAWanizer by developer Marten has a windows interface to batch process your raw files to DNGs, Tiffs or proxy files in Prores, MP4, DNxHD, Csupport for Cineform.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5557.0

Raw to Cinema DNG converter by developer Chmee for windows. I've tested this and the footage will open in both AE CS5 and Resolve.
http://www.phreekz.de/wordpress/2013/06/magiclantern-raw2cdng-cinema-dng/

RAWMagic by developer Thomas Worth converts raw to Cinema DNG works for Mac.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

So, is this ready for use in production? I'd say test it first and see if it works for you. If you already have a raw workflow and raw capable A camera, a BMC, red etc, I'd say you can use this as B cam for now.
Again, test it first if it works for you. If you're a DSLR shooter and want to use this in your project, test it and with a sound recorder, you might and could be succesfull in using this tool as it is now.

Since I can't update/edit my previous post, I'll just add my test results on the recent builds jun 13 and 14.

I'd also like to correct my results on 1728 x 972 since i ran a couple of tests today and try to make long recordings to try and fill up the cf card. 32gig 1000x Lexar.

1880x1058 -- 16:9 -- 400 frames approx.

1880x940 -- 2:1 -- 1,900-2,400 frames approx.

1880x854 -- 2.20:1 -- stable/continuous til card full

1728x972 -- 16:9 -- 10,000 frames approx. ( 7min ) This is already near 32gig card capacity.

1728x864 -- 2:1 -- stable/continuous til card full

I was able to push 1728x972 to go that far by having GD=off / FPS override=23.976 / preview=Hacked mode. Otherwise it will be 7,150 - 6,550 ish.

I confirmed that 1880 x 854 is stable till it fills up card. In my tests it goes up to a 29.7 Gig (31,930,872,768 bytes) file on a 32 Gig card.

It takes me 15 minutes approx to transfer that from CF to Hard drive via usb 2.

Using RAWanizer to merge and extract to DNG it takes 34 min approx.

This is on my Quad core i7 64 bit win 7 system.

Jun 16 Nightly build has much improved framing in the crop modes.

What ML is doing goes against that philosophy by enabling the lower-margin equipment to outperform Canon's more profitable stuff.

The ML raw hack gives much better looking footage out of the 5D, but it's nowhere near as good as what I get out of my C100 (AVCHD and ProRes) on a daily basis.

Ted
Thanks for the regular updates , much appreciated!
J

I've now used the Batchelor 2 Beta1 build for batch conversion of the Magic Lantern Raw Files to DNG files. No need for transferring files to your hard drive. It takes the file on the CF Card and spits out individual directories at a designated location. Very nice job.

Jun 16 Nightly build has much improved framing in the crop modes.

Ted: Never used this mode. Is there documentation somewhere on use and methods ?


Okay, I found this, and now understand: Back end of this video explains it. 5D mark III Magic Lantern Raw with 3x Crop mode! - YouTube

Chris,

Right now the only use i see out of crop mode is lock down shots. Either small macro subjects or faraway ones that doesn't require following a subject as currently, developers are trying to follow the raw buffer from the canon focus box, doing so gives you near accurate framing at the expense of resolution and color.

Simply put, using crop mode there are a couple of ways to achieve preview and framing,

ML grayscale = near accurate framing but low rez (pixelated) and grayscale
Canon= high rez but inaccurate framing that currently pinkish and magenta in color. (this is due to reports that having this in color results in artifacts in some cameras)

However, this is jun 16 build, I'm reading the change logs for jun 18 that this is being improved.
Jun 18 is not yet uploaded, just the change logs.

The good thing about this mode is its 1:1 pixel so its sharp. On the 5dmkII this mode gives optimum results without a VAF filter.

Here's a simple way to engage crop mode on the mkII.

ML menu raw video=ON
ML menu FPS over ride= ON 23.976 ( this gives more recorded frames than OFF)
Press magnify button once=5X
ML raw video menu choose resolution you want.
ML raw video menu Preview= Auto or ML Grayscale
Press SET to start recording

Resolutions I tested on the mkII and #frames; based on jun 16 build
2152 x 1078 = 165 frames
2048 x 1078 = 190 frames
1920 x 1078 = 285 frames
1920 x 960 = 720 frames
1880 x 854 = continuous
1728 x 972 = continuous

Ted, I wonder if the rolling shutter is lower in crop mode than in full mode?

On one hand, the camera still needs to read about 1.5MP from sensor. On the other hand, it's reading a smaller area, which might speed things up.

There are two ways to test it: One is to pan the camera with vertical lines in the scene. The other is to use a manual flash unit. To use the flash approach, you need to find a frame that includes a full line from the flash and an additional pair of frames that captures the flash line at the end of one frame and the start of the next. Given those three frames captures and the frame rate, one can calculate the read-reset (rolling shutter) time.

I've ordered a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card and plan to shoot tests starting next week.

The good thing about this mode is its 1:1 pixel so its sharp. On the 5dmkII this mode gives optimum results without a VAF filter.

So do you recommend actually removing in the VAF filter in this case? I will give it a try once I get the hang of it.

Sounds like in crop mode that I am going to end up with about the same I have with my Black Magic Cinema Camera.....

with the vaf filter with crop mode, the image will be usable(depending on the subject) but its not the best image you can get from the 5d2 raw video in crop.

I won't recommend you keep on removing it during your tests but when your using the 5d for something important and using crop mode, I recommend you remove it if the situation permits.

Attaching res chart of crop mode.

For best results, definitely remove the VAF for crop mode.

Thanks guys.

There are some bugs in crop mode with the jun 18 NB for 5d2, so if you plan on doing some shooting in 5x crop mode use the jun 16 for the mean time.

Crop mode in jun 18 shows some pink cast in the image. The normal 1x modes seem ok.