Reports from several new owners of production HVR-A1s reveal the disturbing news that the poorly conceived zoom rocker control of the HC-1 has unfortunately been carried over to the A1.

Unlike the zoom rocker of the Z1 and FX-1 which has an easily controllable deliciously slow speed, the HC-1-A1 combo is saddled with an onboard rocker capable of only about a ten second zoom from full wide to full telephoto.

For HC-1 owners this is certainly a major drag; obvioulsly even Sony makes lots of consumer DV camcorders with much better zooms than that of the HC-1. However, the other wonderful qualities of the HC-1 make this a passable if inconvenient trade off.

However, for those souls hoping to earn their keep at least in part with the A-1, this is a serious design failure by Sony and one which demands public airing and a firmware fix.

Why go to all the trouble of creating a professional portable hand held HD camcorder if the damn thing cannot be properly controlled without an outboard LANC? Without a proper easily controllable slow zoom the A-1 simply cannot be used properly for ENG or filmmaking without a tripod and LANC controller.

Sony needs to understand loud and clear that this design flaw is simply unacceptable and needs to be addressed immediately lest the A-1 meet a similar fate as the first generation JVC HDV camcorder whose sales suffered mightily from JVC's inability to address that camcorders software shortcomings.

Unfortunately the zoom rocker on the PDX-10 (which the A1 will replace) is also pretty terrible. But doesn't the A1 allow you to choose either zoom or focus from a ring as well (can't remember)? The PDX-10 doesn't; I got a Varizoom LANC controller for mine right away.

The way Sony thinks I wouldn't be surprised is this was almost intentional. They clearly dumb down the less expensive models as an incentive to get the better ones.

But I agree with your sentiment; it really shouldn't be that way. :-(

You know, I just checked my old DCR-TRV20 that I've had for years now, and I can do a 30 second plus zoom no problem. There really is no excuse for steps backwards like this.

The zoom control can be switched to the focus ring, allowing you to zoom as slowly and fluidly as you want, but with the sacrifice of manual focus.

Fluidly? How so? There is no way anyone can get a slow enough, smooth zoom completely from wide to tight. You're forced to reposition your hands somewhere in the middle.

Yes, for minor zooming, the ring is really good, but for full zooms, out of the picture.

THe LANC zoom on the FX1 is not very good either. ALL the other older Sony's that I have at home( VX3, PC10, TRV50, TRV740) have slower zooms that do not stop abruptly . In particular the LANC zoom control on the TRV50 is far superior to my FX1, both for high and low speed and can be started very slow and end very slow. I have two Sony Lanc controler on tripods and also the Manfrotto. This LANC zoom control is the one thing I am really disappointed with on the FX1

Ron Evans

THe LANC zoom on the FX1 is not very good either. ALL the other older Sony's that I have at home( VX3, PC10, TRV50, TRV740) have slower zooms that do not stop abruptly . In particular the LANC zoom control on the TRV50 is far superior to my FX1, both for high and low speed and can be started very slow and end very slow. I have two Sony Lanc controler on tripods and also the Manfrotto. This LANC zoom control is the one thing I am really disappointed with on the FX1



Ron, it is probably the LANC controller and not the FX1 zoom that is at fault. The FX1 has a great slow zoom when using the rocker.

Pick up the incredibly cheap Vidpro TT800RC tripod (well under $50 on the web).
It comes with a remarkably great LANC controller that can be detached and used as a substitute on your other tripods.

No its not the controller even the rocker on the FX1 isn't as smooth as the TRV50, it still has an abprupt stop rather than a slow stop. Its the stopping I am talking about rather than the speed of the slowest zoom. For the other Sony's I have, even letting go of the controller will result in a controlled stop, but on the FX1 its very abrupt as hard as I try to get a very slow stop. Maybe I should send my FX1 in to Sony to see if there is something wrong with it.

Ron Evans

[QUOTE=Todd Mitchell
However, for those souls hoping to earn their keep at least in part with the A-1, this is a serious design failure by Sony and one which demands public airing and a firmware fix.

Sony needs to understand loud and clear that this design flaw is simply unacceptable and needs to be addressed immediately lest the A-1 meet a similar fate as the first generation JVC HDV camcorder whose sales suffered mightily from JVC's inability to address that camcorders software shortcomings.[/QUOTE]

It is ironic that since both camcorders were designed and are built by Sony consumer's division -- that previous Sony consumer camcorders do better. However, it seems to be a fall-put of the physical design of both. The control doesn't have enough travel.

Don't expect any Sony fix. If they cared -- would they really bring back a bottom loader?

Here is a copy of an email I received today:

BIS Product Support" <BIS.Product.Support@am.sony.com>

I have received a response from Product Management regarding your concerns with the zoom on HVR-A1U camcorder. Although there are no current plans to change the zoom speed, he said he appreciates your comments and will continue to monitor customer feedback from all sources regarding this camera.

Thank you.

Mike M.
SONY
Product Operational Support Center (P.O.S.C.)
(800) 883-6817

Obviously I cannot do this alone. Please send your emails to Sony at the address above and let them know how we feel.

Unfortunately the zoom rocker on the PDX-10 (which the A1 will replace) is also pretty terrible.

Hopefully, those wonderful people at bebob

http://www.bebob.de/international/zoe_dvl_eng.html

have worked on the A1 in the same way as their controller renders the PXD-10 zoom utterly usable. I've got a Zoe on my FigRig with either PDX-10 or Z1, and the set-up rocks.

I think my problem with the FX1 zoom is that there is no ramp on the slow speed. It just starts or stops abruptly. IT looks like the zoom on the TRV50 at least has a ramp that gently stops or starts and this is what really makes the difference. IT doesn't matter how the zoom is controlled ( rocker, ring or LANC) still get the sharp stop or start that just isn't there on the other Sony's I have. Maybe its a power saving improvement!!!!!

Ron Evans

i took a small rubberband (about 1/2" diameter) and wrapped it twice around the zoom rocker and it let's me get a nice slow zoom.

I think my problem with the FX1 zoom is that there is no ramp on the slow speed. It just starts or stops abruptly. IT looks like the zoom on the TRV50 at least has a ramp that gently stops or starts and this is what really makes the difference. IT doesn't matter how the zoom is controlled ( rocker, ring or LANC) still get the sharp stop or start that just isn't there on the other Sony's I have. Maybe its a power saving improvement!!!!! Ron Evans
The abrupt zoom is due to the 'smooth zoom' feature that is crippled on the FX1, but exists on the Z1u (very stupid stuff that Sony does). However, you can go into the menu and set the handle rocker to 1 for a slow crawling zoom. This seems to affect both rocker arms on the FX1. I think that a LANC controller could overcome this with zooms that are designed to ramp the zoom at the start or stop. Setting the zoom to 1, however, is the slowest setting so there's nothing left to ramp. The typical 'slow' zoom speed of the FX1 is 3 (out of 6 I think).

Hi Todd .. belated reply .. but I've just bought the Libec ZC-3DV . .as I had the same complaints about the infitie acceleration zoom on my HC1E ...this liitle control sits on your tripod pan arm.. and allows massive control of the speed of the HC1E zoom .. from crawling slow to infinitely fast ... so it works through the LANC connection ... means that it's only a control problem on the camcorder.. not the actual motor behaviour in the camcorder.

Problem solved .. this control also fixes Panasonic camcorders too ..its format is switchable.

I've got a HC1, and to be honest, it doesn't bother me. You can zoom with the focus ring aswell.

I too have an HC1 and yes the zoom is fast - BUT - I don't like to use the zoom if I can avoid it. I am looking for a LANC controller for a new tripod and I'm hoping that I will have more control over the speed to slow it way down. And, I guess for now I will use the manal focus ring to accomplish these.

I just took my first video in September and WOW the zoom shots I accidently put in there made my feel sick. LOL. So, I edited them out! phil

You know, I don't have all my equipment in one place where I can test it now, but I have a feeling that my Z1's slowest zoom speed is faster than my PDX-10. I'm using a Varizoom Pro-L controller which lets you dial in the slowest speed the camera can handle. When shooting performances last week with the Z1 it seemed to zoom faster than I'm accustomed to with the PDX-10. Will try to time this next week.

Just want to report that I am using a Manfrotto 523 pro controller and the zoom speed with this on the A1 (and Z1) is sloooooooooooooow, and smooooooth. This is a very nice controller - and yes it does one touch autofocus even though there is no button or control for this on the camera - very impressive. One other thing - it integrates into the handle of all Manfrotto heads and the speeds are selectable and programmable. This is one very nice controller. You can even switch the camera on and off from it!

Graeme,

The slowest speed reported from full wide to full zoom using a LANC controller on the HC1 and A1 is 24 seconds.

Would you please use a watch and report back to us what is the slowest zoom speed you can accomplish using your Manfrotto 523 with the A1?

Anthony,
Please do the same with your Libec ZC-3DV.

Thanks!

Using a watch is a bit iffy. A much better way is simply to connect up the camera to your NLE, engage the slowest zoom and then inch along the timeline looking for the start and end of the zoom. Then it's a simple matter to ask the computer to tell you the length of the shot.

tom.

Todd,

I used the watch because it was easiest - and I don't think that a few frames will make a great deal of difference. Just for the record I made it 25 seconds - which I guess allowing for error is much in line with other best efforts.

Hope this helps.

You know, I don't have all my equipment in one place where I can test it now, but I have a feeling that my Z1's slowest zoom speed is faster than my PDX-10. I'm using a Varizoom Pro-L controller which lets you dial in the slowest speed the camera can handle. When shooting performances last week with the Z1 it seemed to zoom faster than I'm accustomed to with the PDX-10. Will try to time this next week.


I have noticed some irregularity using the Canon z1000 on the FX1 - its not as slow as on the pdx10 - dont ask me why. However using the FX1 zoom rocker I can easily achieve a full zoom from wide to tele or vice versa lasting 100 secs.

Anyone tried making a DIY LANC controller?

I have noticed some irregularity using the Canon z1000 on the FX1 - its not as slow as on the pdx10 - dont ask me why. However using the FX1 zoom rocker I can easily achieve a full zoom from wide to tele or vice versa lasting 100 secs.
I too achieved 105 secs with the FX1 zoom rocker - somehow that rocker can goes very slow but it's a little tricky to maintain, though possible with practice. This is what I would love to be able to reproduce with a LANC controller.

Using the Top Handle zoom (on the FX1) you can get 22 secs if you sec the zoom speed to "1" in the menu - and this is very close to the 24 sec and 25 sec LANC controllers in previous posts.

I also bought the cheapo $33 Sony RM-VD1 LANC controller (here at B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=278376&is=REG)) and you can get 12 secs zooming with that one.

My 'dream' LANC controller would be one that can ramp up at the start and ramp down at the finish to correct the lack of a smooth zoom on the FX1, go as slow as the Zoom Rocker, and incorporate button for the Rack Focus feature of the FX1.

Here are some more timings and comments on LANC zoom speeds with my 3 cameras: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=387652

Hi Todd .. belated reply .. but I've just bought the Libec ZC-3DV . .as I had the same complaints about the infitie acceleration zoom on my HC1E ...this liitle control sits on your tripod pan arm.. and allows massive control of the speed of the HC1E zoom .. from crawling slow to infinitely fast ... so it works through the LANC connection ... means that it's only a control problem on the camcorder.. not the actual motor behaviour in the camcorder.

Problem solved .. this control also fixes Panasonic camcorders too ..its format is switchable.

Hi Anthony

Can you let me know where you got your Libec controller in the UK please and how much it was ? and also a rough idea of how slow it will go please?

thanks in advance