hi there ;
thinking of buying new camera and i like the look of the ninja and c100 - like the price i guess really over c300 but also the on cam mic i will come in handy for me as i do lots of run and gun stuff. just wondering how practical a c100 with ninja is for run and gun. Bear in mind that I will also have shotgun mic mounted as well as frequently having a sennheiser wireless transmitter loaded on top as well. My question is 'is this a practical set up ' or would i be better opting for a more tailored option such as a pmw200 or something. I would welcome your feedback; thanks

Like you, I bought the C100 principally for R&G, to supersede my EX1Rs. It's delivered what I wanted: the ergonomics and 'low visual impact' of a DSLR with a beautiful and detailed picture.

However, I looked very carefully at stuff I filmed with the Pix220 and internally, including chromakey and some beauty shots.

Yes, there are differences between the ProRes and the native AVCHD, but for my NON-broadcast uses, the differences weren't anything that the client would pay extra for or even spot in the final product. The images, whilst good looking, have tell-tale issues you can spot with a vectorscope that won't cause problems within 5 generations, but will store issues up later.

From my perspective, clients LOVE the C100 pictures and see it as a step up from EX1, but I trust my EX1s for conference capture - and if they get broken/stolen, I can replace them with the PMW200. But I moved on from EX1 for general work because everyone wants the DoF/Better Glass look of S35, and the C100 is small and cute and powerful. C300 is just a little too big to get away with delicate filming situations.

So... to sort of provide some sort of reply to your original questions, yes - I'm getting a Ninja 2, as somebody who already owns a PIX220, because the Pix is just a little too big and complex for R&G, and doesn't work as well as the C100 as the Ninja does.

But I'll only use the Ninja when I think the job really needs it, as it's another mouth to feed (power), it's a bolt-on box that upsets the orgasmicly beautiful balance of the C100 in its nude state, and it adds a layer of complexity (DIT/data wrangling/File size) that needs time or budget to sort - both of which are in short supply in the worlds of most of us here.

Skinny: Yeah, I'd get one, but use it only when the job actually NEEDS it, and make it a line item on the invoice. PMW200 has its place, like EX1R, a joy to work with, but makes most sense when there's more than one of them at your control. I think people pay/book more for the C100 image.

With the C300 about to get a $2,000 price drop it surely is not such a huge difference between the C100 at $6,500and Ninja 2 at $995.

Well it's still a difference but you get to have a proper LCD, a superb EVF, a broadcast acceptable codec and none of faff of hooking extra bits of third party kit on with, as Matt Davis succinctly puts it, 'its another mouth to feed'.

Matt also says that the C100 is cute and powerful and that he thinks the C300 is too big for delicate filming situations, but the C300 can strip right down to just the body with full access to all the controls ( The C100 loses functionality with the handle removed )

And if you wait a little longer you might find the C300 being reduced yet again. There is also a heavily rumored new Cinemas Eos camera due to be launched, coming in under the C100.

Matt and Mark as you might be aware I am also in the same boat as Barry so find both your answers helpful so thanks for posting.

With the C300 about to get a $2,000 price drop it surely is not such a huge difference between the C100 at $6,500and Ninja 2 at $995.

Well it's still a difference but you get to have a proper LCD, a superb EVF, a broadcast acceptable codec and none of faff of hooking extra bits of third party kit on with, as Matt Davis succinctly puts it, 'its another mouth to feed'.

Matt also says that the C100 is cute and powerful and that he thinks the C300 is too big for delicate filming situations, but the C300 can strip right down to just the body with full access to all the controls ( The C100 loses functionality with the handle removed )

And if you wait a little longer you might find the C300 being reduced yet again. There is also a heavily rumored new Cinemas Eos camera due to be launched, coming in under the C100.
Mark do you know if we are going to see the reduction in the UK or is it just for our lucky American cousins? If we get the discount I think it would definitely be a C300 for me, if no discount I'm still split 50:50 between a C300 and C100. I can't make it to BVE next week but I am going to Focus on Imaging in Birmingham week after so hopefully Canon will have both models to look at. I had a play with a C300 at the show last year and it was one hell of a nice piece of gear!

With the C300 about to get a $2,000 price drop it surely is not such a huge difference between the C100 at $6,500and Ninja 2 at $995.

Reading your post Mark, I don't see any indication that you are being ironic...

Are you saying that a C100 + Ninja 2 at $7500 is almost the same as $14000? Or at least not far from it?

Add to that, that the C100 and Ninja 2 actually is a more potent combination than a C300 alone.

Yes, the issue wether or not you want to add to the camera still remains, but the face value of it all is that you get more picture for $7500 than $14000 (after price drop), if you are willing to have an external recorder on a magic arm.

For myself, I've already concluded that AVCHD is more than enough for most productions. About the only thing that it can't defeat is prejudice. Specialized stuff like green screen also warrants best possible codec.

But if the goal is "just to film" or "just to document", then AVCHD is fine for all purposes including broadcast.

The C100 is a great camera. It has audio, one push AF (not that great) and is pretty small. The LCD is fine and in a better position than on a C300 in my opinion, but that will vary with personal needs.

Canon will not launch another camera similar to C100 and C300 at a cheaper price. There's no room there.

There is however plenty of room below the 1DC. A 3DC would make the circle complete. At least 5Dmk3 stills performance with the S35 performance of 1DC. Price probably similar to C100. You would then trade NDs, audio and dedicated video ergonomics for hires raw stills. I'd probably buy it.

The C300 is a great camera no doubt, but there's no denying that the rug was pulled, or at least jerked quite a bit, under its users feet with the launch of the C100.

Hi Andree,

No irony intended - just a thought that with C300 prices reported as dropping in a pretty dramatic fashion Barry might want to spend a bit more and get a superior camera with full broadcast specs and with more sophisticated functionality.

Anyone who has experience of filming with a DSLR knows what a bore it is to have to strap on and operate additional third party equipment. If you own a C100 and want to record to a more robust format that is what you will need to do.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by saying the C100 and Ninja combination is actually is a more potent combination than a C300 alone.

My take is that Canon seem to be making it up as they go along. Having benefited hugely from the DSLR, video large sensor, movement they came up with the C300 which incorporated huge amounts of the technology from the XF305 range of camera and added the

At the launch there was talk of the C500 and what became the EOS-1D C. The C100 appeared to be an afterthought and for some strange reason was given the AVCHD system.

Even the XF100 has the MPEG-2, 50Mbps, 4:2:2 Full HD codec.

There is no consistency in produce development and unless Canon show considerably more interest in listening and responding to their customers feedback many will switch to other manufacturers.

Also, there's the issue of keeping $, £ and € prices in mind - £10k C300 vs $6k C100 + $1k Ninja, the "99¢" hind brain kicks in and skews the result. :)

There's a little bit of me that dreads NAB this year - what if Canon do what Sony did with the path from FS100 to FS700? The FS700 is so much the camera I wanted to buy from the get-go, and it initially devalued the FS100 so much that an upgrade wasn't worth it.

On one hand, Canon have been so conservative with releasing video cameras from the XL1 to the XLH1a (okay, that's not strictly true with the XF line), yet on the other hand, so profligate with the release of video DSLRs, I'm not sure how to take things.

The current line-up is very Apple-like - C100 for event videography, C300 for broadcast, C500 for cinematography. Simples. 1-DC for toe-dipping in 4K and for those who really love their DSLRs. Muddying that with another in-betweenie camera?

Hi Mark,

Let's consider the prices dropped for now. It's $13999 for a C300 after the 2000 price cut.

Regarding potent combination: I simply mean that a C100+Ninja 2 recording to ProRes is even more solid than the C300 internal recording.

I don't think that the C100 is an afterthought. Canon couldn't really invite all of Hollywood and ask them to switch to this 6.5k AVCHD camera; it would have been laughable. They introduced the C300 and some similarly priced, or more expensive equipment.

Still, were any of the featured productions from that event recorded to internal? I'm actually asking... I don't know... But remembering some BTS footage from Mobius, I'm thinking no...

The C100 is Canon's market share move. Announcing it at the original even would have hurt C300 sales in my opinion. Obviously they couldn't give it the same codec, AND add features like One push AF, and Auto IRIS exposure... and sell it so cheap.

The AVCHD codec is Canon saying: look, this is a prosumer camera, so it gets a prosumer price.

The thing is though, that AVCHD looks just as good for all intents and purposes. You can pixel peep differences no problem, but most don't care. And you have the option to go ProRes on external.

I'm simply speaking up since I get a feeling that a lot of recommendations towards the C300 come from people owning that camera. The recommendations are no doubt well intended, but I'm not sure if they are quite objective for someone who isn't yet invested.

I get the impression from current owners and potential buyers (like myself) that these types of cameras have differing plus and minus points depending on each persons perspective. Cameras like the XF300/XF100 just do what they do and that's it, whereas the "C" range seems a bit more complex. There are many features of the C100 I like and a similar amount from the C300. It's a pity the two C cameras are not so definable as the XF300/100 in that the XF100 is basically the same as the 300 but without the long zoom and in a smaller package.

Maybe this bit of a bad move by Canon because it makes deciding which to purchase much harder which brings in the possibility of looking at other brands.


Some people have brought up other brands like the Sony F5 but have failed to mention lens sets. The C100/300 are the only cameras I am looking at right now because I have a range of L series EF lenses that I use with my 1Dx and I am not about to buy a duplicate set from another manufacturer.

If you're depending on a good EVF, and you're not using a 3rd party solution, then you need to go with C300.

Similarly if you have reason to believe that 4:2:0 might get you in trouble: reduced color precision can show up as stair-stepping, almost as interlaced footage, in regions with strong color and quick tonal transitions (lot's of contrast), and you don't want to get an external recorder.

Other than that you get two C100's plus a Ninja 2 for the price of one C300.

In my honest opinion owning a C100 and a Ninja 2 it is not practical for run and gun work. I mainly use the Ninja 2 for Green Screen and setup shots and if you are trying to run around an event like a Wedding or Auto event you will more than likely break something somehow. To me the internal codec is perfect for what I do and is a step above the 5D MKIII and I bought the C100 because you pretty much have everything built in and dont have to lug around ND's, External Audio Recorder, External Monitor and memory cards. Many people complain about the EVF being too small but I have yet to complain about it and has helped alot when Im shooting in the sun.

thanks for the responses. I feel like waiting this out a bit. maybe C200 will suit my needs.

thanks for the responses. I feel like waiting this out a bit. maybe C200 will suit my needs.
What is a C200, is it a future model?

What is a C200, is it a future model?
Its all rumors and speculation right now who know's what Canon is really up to.

Its all rumors and speculation right now who know's what Canon is really up to.
Yeah they seem to be a bit unpredictable with what they have coming up. I actually just wish I knew if the UK is getting the rebate on the C300 or not as it would almost certainly make my decision one way or the other.

Just did a run and gun the other day, used my 5D and a xf305. Got better footage and easier to use my 305, but did all the grab and go interviews on the 5D, and got the bulk of the footage with it. Why? Just easier to tote around.

Got to say that thinking about the c100, it's a great idea, but still you have to manually change lenses, a lot (even with a zoom compared to xf305 since you have to go from about 35mm to 400). While it might *not* be a problem,it could be. I love the DOF of the 5D and the c100, but be aware of the issue of changing lenses. If that's not an issue, and you don't need stills, then the c100 is a great choice. I like that it has a 3.5 in mic jack, why? Because I've found that in many run and gun situations, I can plug in a 3.5 in lav with a spring cord extender, and wire up an interviewee within seconds, without messing with radio signals, or worrying about their damn cell phones. It makes a great interview option.

So if you don't need broadcast quality, I think the 100 is a fabulous option. Video with DOF shooting with an SLR form factor. Sort of the best of both worlds IMHO.

Just to add my two cents, I've shot handheld with the C100/Ninja 2 during 6 production days over the last few weeks, and I feel quite confident running around with it. My major concerns about both the camera and recorder have been alleviated - nailing focus with the EVF is easy with slight adjustments, the batteries on the Ninja last forever, the HDMI hasn't caused me any problems yet. All together the form and weight make for pleasant handheld shooting without any kind of rig.

It does add a layer of complication - for example I've been shooting 24p, and the Ninja needs a moment to recognize the frame rate before it's ready to record (the fact that it does this is taking away a layer of complication down the chain). Getting the camera and the recorder talking to each other takes maybe 5-10 seconds, and it's really no more complicated than setting your exposure or color balance. The Ninja has a quirk in that once it recognizes the signal it automatically starts recording, so you have to wait for it and tell it to stop (that's annoying Atomos!). Once you're set you just push the record button on the camera to start and stop recording.

Figuring out exactly how to connect the recorder to the camera may take a little trial and error, and perhaps the purchase of a few things. I've settle on something simple, light, sturdy, and effective, (not an articulating arm), which cost me about $15.

I can confirm that the internal recording is practically identical to the ProRes or DNXHD from the Ninja. In fact the only difference that jumps out is that the external recorder seems to bypass whatever internal noise reduction is going on. Talking about noise with this camera just seems silly.

Do you have a picture of how you've mounted your Ninja2?

"Figuring out exactly how to connect the recorder to the camera may take a little trial and error, and perhaps the purchase of a few things. I've settle on something simple, light, sturdy, and effective, (not an articulating arm), which cost me about $15."

Sure. Here is a picture of the Ninja mounted and of the two pieces used to mount it. As I said, simple, light, and cheap. I'm not using the Ninja as a monitor most of the time, and for what it's worth I can stick focus much easier with the EVF than the Ninja with or without peaking. I've been using the shoulder strap, which I like a lot, and do do find the monitor useful sometimes when I have the camera dropped and hanging from my neck.

My main goal has been to get the Ninja out of the way and attached so that I have confidence running around with it. I had been using an articulating arm, which is perfectly fine, but this is a bit lighter and the Ninja sits a little lower. You could remove the handle, and use this to mount directly to to camera, although if you were so inclined you'd be better off swapping the male-to-male adapter with a hotshoe adapter.

I got the little ball head from B&H (Giottos MH 1004 Mini Ball Head MH1004-320 B&H Photo Video) and ordered the 1/4" 20 male-to-male adapter from China, I think (1/4 inch 1/4 Male to 1/4 Male Threaded Screw Adapter [E56317] : Electronic Gadgets, Home Gifts & Unusual Novelty Gifts - BestOfferBuy).

God info. Just noticed Andrew, what eyecup attachment do you have on the C100s EVF? I have seen pictures of various types being (re)used on the web to improve it - so just curious!

It's a bluestar (Blue Star Extra Small Round Eye Cushion (Microfiber - Red) 20102).

It's cheap and makes a huge difference in comfort and by blocking out light. It is a bit loose and can come off easily, if you're not careful. Definitely interested to look at other solutions for the EVF if you have any suggestions!