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Chris Hurd
January 8th, 2013, 10:50 AM
"A new premium camcorder designed to capture high-quality video of fast-moving action was announced today by JVCKENWOOD Corporation. The new Procision JVC GC-PX100 offers high bit rate progressive recording to deliver high resolution HD images and Full HD slow-motion video. The camera’s high performance combines with Wi-Fi connectivity and a range of free specialized apps to make the GC-PX100 ideal for capturing and analyzing fast-moving action."

Available on pre-order here: JVC GC-PX100 Full HD Everio Camcorder GC-PX100 B&H Photo Video


Full press release and photos on DV Info Net:

New Flagship JVC Camera Designed to Capture Fast-Moving Action at DV Info Net (http://www.dvinfo.net/news/new-flagship-jvc-camera-designed-to-capture-fast-moving-action.html)

Chris Hurd
January 8th, 2013, 10:57 AM
The camera shoots Full HD 1920 x 1080/60p video at 36Mbps.

Five shooting speeds are available, ranging from 120fps to 600fps.

Available in March for $1000.

Jim Nogueira
January 8th, 2013, 11:11 AM
Chris,

This camcorder looks really interesting. Will it record on SD card?

Thanks, Jim

Chris Hurd
January 8th, 2013, 11:15 AM
Hi Jim, the official press release at New Flagship JVC Camera Designed to Capture Fast-Moving Action at DV Info Net (http://www.dvinfo.net/news/new-flagship-jvc-camera-designed-to-capture-fast-moving-action.html) does not indicate the recording medium, but I can't imagine that it would not be SDHC or SDXC. I'll try to get a clarification.

Jim Nogueira
January 8th, 2013, 11:36 AM
At the 1K price point, it will be definitely be worth checking out for me. It's looks to be well designed. 1.2 lens and three-inch tiltable LCD monitor with hood included. I will be interested in seeing that optional viewfinder and how much extra that is.

Glen Vandermolen
January 8th, 2013, 11:55 AM
It looks like the follow up to the PX10.

Andy Wilkinson
January 8th, 2013, 11:58 AM
With those fast frame rates and at that price point I'm definitely interested (for some technical/industrial/scientific client applications).

Glen Vandermolen
January 8th, 2013, 12:16 PM
At the 1K price point, it will be definitely be worth checking out for me. It's looks to be well designed. 1.2 lens and three-inch tiltable LCD monitor with hood included. I will be interested in seeing that optional viewfinder and how much extra that is.

Here it is with the EVF:

Jim Nogueira
January 8th, 2013, 12:43 PM
Thanks, Glen. Is that LCD/VF button to select one or the other?

Also, it looks like a mic input, headphones jack, and maybe a usb or mini-hdmi connection?

Jim Nogueira
January 8th, 2013, 01:03 PM
Found this on Reuters:

"AVCHD, MP4 and MOV format recording is supported, including iFrame compatible 720p.
In MOV mode the audio is recorded in Linear PCM for highest quality and usability in
post-production".

JVCKENWOOD Corporation Launches new Flagship Camcorder Offering Total Control Over Imaging | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/08/idUSnPre9tSw3a+108+PRN20130108)

Chris Hurd
January 8th, 2013, 01:27 PM
The Reuters UK release is more informative than the one from JVC America, so I've incorporated both into the same page on our DVi News feed located at:

New Flagship JVC Camera Designed to Capture Fast-Moving Action at DV Info Net (http://www.dvinfo.net/news/new-flagship-jvc-camera-designed-to-capture-fast-moving-action.html)

-- pics updated too, thanks Jim and Glen!

Glen Vandermolen
January 8th, 2013, 01:36 PM
I have the PX10. I took it to the beach and videotaped surfers, seagulls, etc. at 300fps. Slo-mo is fun, but the PX10 video is SD and looks meh.
With this new cam shooting HD, I can see this being a fun little camera, a poor man's FS700.

Anyone wanna buy a gently used PX10?

Glen Vandermolen
January 8th, 2013, 01:39 PM
Thanks, Glen. Is that LCD/VF button to select one or the other?

Also, it looks like a mic input, headphones jack, and maybe a usb or mini-hdmi connection?

Most DSLRs have a button where you can switch from the monitor/VF. It looks like this camera does the same.

John Vincent
January 8th, 2013, 04:22 PM
Looks fun , and you can't beat the price. Of course, if the image is soft at normal frame rates, or if the high speed stuff is unusable, not sure if it's worth much...

Of course, if the image is there and high speeds are usable, then this camera would make an awful nice one-two punch with a larger frame camera like the Sony VG20 or Canon 4ti.

Anxiously awaiting footage from this little camera for sure.

Chris Hurd
January 8th, 2013, 04:41 PM
Pic below was tweeted from CES by Videomaker...

https://twitter.com/videomaker/status/288774648504651776/photo/1

Gints Klimanis
January 8th, 2013, 04:59 PM
What's up with the frequency of "50P" appearing in the press release?

Chris Hurd
January 8th, 2013, 05:10 PM
Hi Gints,

The page you're looking at: New Flagship JVC Camera Designed to Capture Fast-Moving Action at DV Info Net (http://www.dvinfo.net/news/new-flagship-jvc-camera-designed-to-capture-fast-moving-action.html)

...contain *two* press releases. The first one is the UK version and it references 50p. It has more info than the US version, so it received top billing. The US version references 60p. Hope this helps!

Anmol Mishra
January 9th, 2013, 12:15 AM
Hmm. Wise they would indicated specs regarding frame rates ASAP.

1080p - 50/60p
720p - 100/120p ???
WVGA 200/240p ??
VGA 500/600P ????


Need a decent 120fps camcorder with manual shutter control..

Lee Mullen
January 9th, 2013, 02:14 AM
What's up with the frequency of "50P" appearing in the press release?
Most of the world uses 25/50p Gints.

Lee Mullen
January 9th, 2013, 02:18 AM
1/2.3″ 12.8 Megapixel Back-Illuminated CMOS Sensor

Is that a good sensor?

Glen Vandermolen
January 9th, 2013, 05:24 AM
My PX10 has the same size sensor. I don't know if it's the same one, but the PX10 takes sharp images. Not as good in low light as my Panasonic TM900, but I don't know if that's because of the sensor or lens.

Gints Klimanis
January 9th, 2013, 01:34 PM
Most of the world uses 25/50p Gints.

I'm left wondering why camera manufacturers continue to bother limiting cameras this way. I see the 50/60 switch as a competitive feature that would influence my purchase.

Chris Hurd
January 9th, 2013, 01:44 PM
What are the primary questions about this camcorder? I would assume we'd all like to know what the recorded resolutions are at the various frame rates... what else?

Gints Klimanis
January 9th, 2013, 02:31 PM
I was hoping for a higher bitrate for 1080p60 or 720p120 ...

0. Finer control of shooting speeds.

1. Audio compression specs for various shooting modes (Press release mentions linear PCM for MOV mode)

2. Shooting parameters controlled from Wifi app

3. Focal length and aperture over lens over zoom range (only see "fast F1.2 wide-angle)

4. Audio inputs / microphone connectivity. I see a shoe mount and one fat microphone connector cover in the US press release. Mono 3-pin XLR or Stereo 5-pin XLR? [EDIT : Chris Hurd provided a pic. ]

5. Specs on video stream over Wifi

6. Price/specs of optional color viewfinder. Any "push zoom" functions for focusing aids? Possible to run LCD and VF at the same time?

7. Audio AGC functions, specifically, disabling AGC and Limiter.

Bernd Eller
January 9th, 2013, 02:50 PM
Gints,
I would be very surprised if this consumer camcorder had XLR. I am pretty sure the mic input is a 3,5mm jack.

Looking at the specs of another one of the new JVC camcorders, the VX815, it seems that both share the same sensor and the same lens. And in the VX815 press release there is more information about the lens: It's a 10x zoom lens with a shortest focal length of 29,4mm (35mm equiv.). So I guess these are the specs of PX100 also.

Chris Hurd
January 9th, 2013, 03:27 PM
See the photo in my post #15 (http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-video-industry-news/513295-procision-jvc-gc-px100-camcorder-announced-ces2013.html#post1772013) -- that's gotta be a stereo mini jack.

Gints Klimanis
January 9th, 2013, 03:44 PM
Thanks for the pic and explanation of the no-longer-so-fat audio jack cover, Chris.

Craig W. Scribner
January 9th, 2013, 05:42 PM
Here's a question, Chris:

Will the zoom be available during high-speed filming?

Thanks!

David Heath
January 9th, 2013, 06:43 PM
1/2.3″ 12.8 Megapixel Back-Illuminated CMOS Sensor

Is that a good sensor?
What are the primary questions about this camcorder? I would assume we'd all like to know what the recorded resolutions are at the various frame rates... what else?
The point is less whether or not the sensor itself is any good, but readout methods used. I doubt very strongly that they are able to read out the full photosite count and process it at anything above 60Hz, certainly not in a camera at this price point.

Consequently, expect pixel skipping/binning tricks to be used to keep the processing load down to a viable level, certainly at the higher frame rates.

Chris very correctly poses the question about resolution at higher frame rates - but it's more than simple resolution. That will indeed almost certainly drop off substantially as the framerate goes up, but it's likely to be accompanied by strong and unpleasant artifacting in terms of moire, aliasing etc. If anybody has any doubt of that, see Adam Wilts zone plates on the FS700 in slo-mo mode - Pro Video Coalition: Camera Log by Adam Wilt (http://provideocoalition.com/awilt/story/high_speed_and_low_light_with_the_nex-fs700) (scroll down to the end).

I believe this camera is squarely aimed at such as coaches in the sports world whose prime interest is analysing technique via slo-motion without spending too much money - not film makers looking for a certain level of quality. As such, I'm sure it does exactly what it says on the tin.

The bitrate figure (36Mbs) doesn't really mean much in isolation, not without knowing type of codec etc. And what happens in slo-mo mode? Does the write speed go up in proportion to frame rate (as with EX S&Q), such that playback is always at 36Mbs? Or (more likely) is the write speed always 36Mbs - in which case playback of 10x slo-mo will equate to a bitrate of only 3.6Mbs!!!

Gints Klimanis
January 9th, 2013, 06:51 PM
I hope cropping modes are offered as a choice for the higher frame rates that are coupled with lower resolutions.

Anmol Mishra
January 9th, 2013, 07:21 PM
+1 Chris.
And also manual control in the high Speed modes.
Neither Hero Black nor the LX7 and and variants allow for manual shutter in 120fps

What are the primary questions about this camcorder? I would assume we'd all like to know what the recorded resolutions are at the various frame rates... what else?

David Knaggs
January 9th, 2013, 08:05 PM
I believe this camera is squarely aimed at such as coaches in the sports world whose prime interest is analysing technique via slo-motion without spending too much money ...

Spot on, David. For example, every golf professional in the world should want one of these to analyse their student's golf swing, so long as JVC provides adequate shutter speeds to eliminate any motion blur on the club head. And with the wi-fi streaming the image directly to the pro's iPad or Android tablet, the pro can draw arrows or make annotations on the screen to fully illustrate the concept to the student.

JVC have obviously surveyed this sports market very thoroughly and provided a comprehensive solution which should be a great seller for them. Provided the range of shutter speeds are adequate to eliminate motion blur.

But I guess that any video professional might be tempted by a $1,000 camera that promises high frame rates, even if it's a sports camera!

Lee Mullen
January 9th, 2013, 08:16 PM
I'm left wondering why camera manufacturers continue to bother limiting cameras this way. I see the 50/60 switch as a competitive feature that would influence my purchase.

I agree Gints and it should be the standard these days, but marketing depts have different ideas sadly. :(

I hope image quality beats the Sony PJ760.

Duane Steiner
January 10th, 2013, 09:15 AM
Any idea what the bit-rate and resolution is for the high speed modes?

Chris Hurd
January 10th, 2013, 09:46 AM
I'll try to find out as much as I can... I'm seeing a JVC rep today, but that's here in Texas, and this camera is at CES, most likely along with the only JVC staff that can answer questions about it... but we'll see.

Glen Vandermolen
January 10th, 2013, 10:29 AM
Keep in mind, guys, this camera is a consumer camera. Some of you are asking for the moon and the stars. It won't have all the bells and whistles a pro camera will have. It's under $1,000, you get what you pay for.
Was that enough cliches for ya? :-)

I'm sure it will be a very good camera, but it won't be replacing FS700s in the professional world. Well, maybe in a few circumstances.

So far, it sounds like a camera I'd like to own, But we'll have to wait on the specs.

Bernd Eller
January 10th, 2013, 10:56 AM
And even when we know all the specs, we need to see how they translate into real life performance. Will the PX100 live up to its promise? Would be great, if it does, but as Glen said, it's a small consumer camcorder, not full-size broadcast gear. Better not expect miracles.

Chris Hurd
January 10th, 2013, 05:25 PM
So this afternoon I had a face-to-face with my local area JVC pro market rep, and he confirmed that it is indeed a consumer product piece that's handled by a different part of the company. I got the name of the right contact, but we have to wait for the dust to settle from CES... those guys will be sobering up and flying home tomorrow, but I'll find out more as soon as I can and let you know.

I agree, we really can't expect much for $1000 but let's see.

Bernd Eller
January 11th, 2013, 03:31 AM
A few more facts are available now. According to the Japanese website "AV Watch", the PX100 has indeed the expected 10x zoom lens 29,7 - 297mm (35mm equiv.) and can shoot 600fps with a resolution of 320 x 176.
Source (Caution: translation by Google): Google Übersetzer (http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fav.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F20130111_581392.html)

Jason Burkhimer
January 11th, 2013, 08:01 AM
(Questions)

1 - Obviously the "framerate/bitrate/resolution" clarification
2 - From the limited photos, there doesnt seem to be any ND filters built in, but some clarification on that or details on other light control for this interesting f1.2 lens would be nice!
3- Battery concerns especially at highest setting with wi-fi smartphone control active,etc...

I know those arent really "questions", more like topics Id like to see fleshed out. Also, 4K firmware upgrade? Just kidding.

-burk

EDIT: Chris' last post caught my eye after posting this. I thought this was part of JVC's pro line (maybe the name "Procision" threw me off). Being a consumer cam, prob cant hope for too much regarding NDs and high rez/high framerates... We'll see!

Chris Hurd
January 11th, 2013, 08:21 AM
Indeed... see this: av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130111_581392.html (http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130111_581392.html)

This was a cool idea, but the HFR res just isn't there.

I think the whole idea behind this thing is to show immediate slow-motion playback on a tablet, for which the low resolution will easily suffice. Looks like it's not intended to go much further than that. It's a "coach cam," just like the press release says.

More photos at link above...

Glen Vandermolen
January 11th, 2013, 04:51 PM
But can't it do HD video at 120fps?

Chris Hurd
January 11th, 2013, 04:58 PM
Good question -- and I doubt it. As fps goes up, res comes down. Maybe standard def. 720x480 at 120fps? Hmm.

Looks like it's already available for pre-order: JVC GC-PX100 Full HD Everio Camcorder GC-PX100 B&H Photo Video

B&H lists a few specs:

Full HD 1920 x 1080p Recording (probably at 60p only, but we'll find out);
Capture 12MP Still Images;
Back-Illuminated 12MP CMOS Sensor;
Built-In Wi-Fi;
SC/SDHC/SDXC Memory Card Slot (answers that question);
29.5mm F1.2 Wide Angle Lens (answers another question: 29.5mm at the wide end);
10x Optical Zoom & 16x Digital Zoom (answers another question: 295mm at the long end);
3" Touch Panel LCD;
Optical Image Stabilizer with A.I.S.;
K2 Audio & Zoom Microphone.

Glen Vandermolen
January 13th, 2013, 11:08 AM
So the Lumix LX7 can do HD video at 120fps? And it's half the price? Hmm...

Mark Rosenzweig
January 13th, 2013, 06:46 PM
And the LX7 can also do this, in-camera:

Panasonic LX7 Test Video: Subway Shuttle Shuffle Time-Lapse - YouTube

(time-lapse at 108060p).

Gints Klimanis
January 14th, 2013, 02:25 PM
We shouldn't expect video quality of 1080p60 @ 35 Mbits/second to be much better than 1080p30 @ ~16 MBits/second. Sony (and, later, Convergent Design) has been shipping its MPEG2 compression codec since early 2008 in a unit that offers 1080p -> 720p downsizing. What's up with the hesitation to offer 1080p60 machines with 70 - 100 Mbps MPEG2 basic internal recording in any of its models ?

Lee Mullen
January 15th, 2013, 06:02 AM
Full HD time lapsing?

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/img/avw/docs/581/392/jvc07.jpg

David Heath
January 16th, 2013, 11:14 AM
We shouldn't expect video quality of 1080p60 @ 35 Mbits/second to be much better than 1080p30 @ ~16 MBits/second.
I disagree - go from 30p to 60p at the same frame size and you should get equivalent quality at much less than twice the bitrate, at least if you assume an interframe codec.

The reason is that there is more inter-frame redundancy for the compressor to take advantage of. Typically, the GOP period would remain the same, with the GOP length doubling. (So if for 30p I frames were every 1/2 second, with a GOP length (number of difference frames) of 15, for 60p you'd keep an I frame every 1/2 second, but increase the GOP length to 30.) Since the size of I frames is far higher than difference frames, it should be obvious that doubling the progressive framerate doesn't need anything like twice the bitrate to remain quality.

Gints Klimanis
January 16th, 2013, 07:20 PM
Possibly. 720p60 and 1080p30 are allocated the same bitrates in every system I know. From the perspective of doubling the spacial data from 1280x720 to 1920x1080, a doubling of the bitrate used at 720p60 to represent 1080p60 is sensible. The I-Frame would need to represent twice as much spacial data and so would every intermediate frame. But I can see your point if you think that the data rate used for 720p60 is too high.

Marco Balletta
January 19th, 2013, 12:09 PM
Hi guys, by any chance, do you know the dimension of the GC-PX100 in mm ? Height, Width, Depth in comparison to the Canon HF G20 ? Thank you