This is one impressive looking release.
Lets hope they get it right the first time.

https://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro12cs

In my memory, only version 7 seemed pretty close to "right" the first time. After that it's been rough ever since.

Smart proxy seems nice, but I will still complain about it. Edius does not need to create proxies and has amazing timeline performance with original files. Why can't Vegas? This irritates the heck out of me.

If this thing isn't a bug-fest it will be amazing.
When is Fall? Same as our Aussie Spring?

what about fixing 11 first!?

You know, I have been using Vegas since Vegas 7, and I have never had any horrible experiences with it. I keep hearing horror stories from the same few people, and I think it really has to do with an out of ordinary hardware configuration. I am running a pretty basic Dell machine, and have two external esata drive, one USB 3 drive and 2 USB 2 drives, along with two internal esata connected, and I just get pretty good results working from anywhere.

Now about 12. I have been lucky enough to beta test 12, and I find some interesting features. I hope I don't get bounced as a future tester by reporting this, but the feature advertized as Color Match seems to be pretty cool. In experimenting with it, I went to a page that had some stills from the Godfather, captured one of them, and brought it into the Color Match program, and assigned that picture to be color matched, and low and behold, my clip had a Godfather look about it. It was actually quite interesting and with a little more testing may be a viable tool to start the grading process.

This film is one I did with Vegas 12 and my VG20 for the DVChallenge here at DVInfo:

TheFriendZone on Vimeo

Vegas' biggest weakness is with non-native codecs.

The "internet crowd" usually has tons of Vegas horror stories because of that, combined with using too many render threads and incorrect dynamic RAM settings.

On the other hand, ProRes projects are a nightmare in Vegas too. Black frames EVERYWHERE.

My only gripe with recent versions of Vegas are that it doesn't support XDCAM EX folders with spanned clips without crashing, and working in AVC then adding MXF to the project will instantly cause a crash under certain circumstances.

I like that starting in version 10 that it natively supports XDCAM EX MP4s, but this can cause uneducated people to only copy those files and lose the contents of the BPAV folder. (that's also true of P2, I guess)

Does this mean that I will be able to finally edit in Vegas and then be able to pull it into FCP, Premier, or After Affects?

I'm on the beta, and all I will say is that it's not ready for release as of today.

To Beta testers - remember your NDA...

what about fixing 11 first!?
A sign of our throw away society.... Throw it away and get a new one.
After vers 11 came out I dont think they fixed anything in 10 did they?
Did you ever give Premiere a go Leslie? What was the change-over like, if made ?


On the other hand, ProRes projects are a nightmare in Vegas too. Black frames EVERYWHERE.


Jack, I haven't seen this. I have dragged in a few ProRes files some up to 90 min in length and never had any black frames. Just a thought, we have always rendered to Prores 422 HQ 10bit to avoid the Mac-Windows gamma shift. See post 6 of this thread-
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/cineform-software-showcase/491236-codecs-2011-prores-vs-cineform-vs-dnxhd.html
I dont know if your black frames may be attributed to this or not, but I haven't seen them.

Does this mean that I will be able to finally edit in Vegas and then be able to pull it into FCP, Premier, or After Affects?

According to the trailer, Yes we can! For me this is absolute gold. Thank you Sony

I wished I could install Vegas 12 on iMac.Adobe has introduced the new Premiere Pro for iMac.

hi gerald,

well i have cs6 pb on my edit pc. love the new ps, but after a couple of bouts with ppro i really think if i'm going to have to learn a new nle it'd be more likely edius, which, from both reports and a little hands on, looks to be everything a nle should be in terms of playback and reliability, though it too is rather clunky and old fashioned in it's ui.

i'll wait to see what's said about 12 when it's released, try to forget the disaster that was 11, but i think, unless scs gets it right straight off with 12, they've lost a once loyal customer....

I'm keeping my fingers crossed too.
It seems like the odd numbered releases have been "somewhat " problematic (i.e. Pro 9 and 11) while the even numbered ones (Pro 8 and 10) always worked great for me.

Could always go to Lightworks. I've played with that one a bit, but its seems to based on old style editing processes where you physically hung up chunks of the film in bin in your edit room. Terminology seems to be related to that level of thinking.... a place where many modern editors have never been.

I invested in CS5 last year, thinking I am going to need it at some point, but Vegas keeps doing whatever I need.

To Beta testers - remember your NDA...

Does a Beta tester have to say nothing after the company (Sony) has announced the new product ?

Surely that depends on the terms of the NDA.

If Sony have tried features and removed them either because they didn't work or were considered not to add to the product, then that information could be useful to a competitor. I'm sure they (Sony) would rather that their competitors spend their own money finding that out.

Chris, my philosophy is that Sony can say whatever they want - whenever they want. As for me, I will only make my comments after it's officially released. For example, if I had a review written right now on the new product, I would not post it, no matter what Sony says about VP12, until it has been released without first checking with Sony to see if it was OK to do so.

hi gerald,

well i have cs6 pb on my edit pc. love the new ps, but after a couple of bouts with ppro i really think if i'm going to have to learn a new nle it'd be more likely edius, which, from both reports and a little hands on, looks to be everything a nle should be in terms of playback and reliability, though it too is rather clunky and old fashioned in it's ui.

i'll wait to see what's said about 12 when it's released, try to forget the disaster that was 11, but i think, unless scs gets it right straight off with 12, they've lost a once loyal customer....

I have all three of these NLE's. CS6, Vegas 11 and Edius 6.07 ( I have not upgraded to Edius 6.5 as it didn't include much that I use as new features so will wait for the next release to upgrade). I don't use Premiere, use Edius for video and Vegas for audio ( with Sound Forge ) I have had all three NLE's since they started ( yes I am old 70 !!!) I have a Shuttle Pro V2 and have Vegas and Edius set up with windows that look much the same and the shuttle so that editing in either is the same too. Could do the same with Premiere but don't really need to. Edius is fast a stable, its audio is adequate but nothing like Vegas and I like using DVD Architect for authoring too. Like CS6 you need to place assets in a bin to use rather than just drag from explorer but that really isn't a problem as one can nest and name bins so that the assets make sense and easy to find . Right click and load to bin is not difficult !!

I like Vegas for quick single track stuff that clips can be dragged over one another easily to visualize the effects one wants and that is how I use for most of my family videos etc. Also waveform display is easily the best of all the NLE's making editing easy. Also use for all my multi track audio editing ( which is how I started with Vegas Audio before it did video )

For projects, all multicamera shoots, I use Edius since its multicam is easily the most flexible and fastest of all the NLE's being able to mix native files at full resolution and frame rate on a modern PC.

All have their strengths that's why I keep upgrading all of them !!!

Ron Evans