Just got the word....C100 will start shipping the week after Thanksgiving......

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Great news! Thanks Jim!

Just got the word....C100 will start shipping the week after Thanksgiving......

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Excellent, thanks!

I do share Andy Wilkinson's opinion about 1080/p50/p60. There are no disadvantages to using it, yet plenty of benefits.

No 1080/p50/p60 was the deal breaker for me. Even a GoPro can do that nowadays.
Beside that the C100 is a nice camera.

Andy, when do you get yours?

I wish I knew! I must be at (or very, very, close to) the top of CVP's order list here in the UK - since I placed my order within 24 hours of the C100 announcement/it appearing on their website for pre-order. So I hope I'll get some pleasant news soon...

Wow! Black Magic have just released new firmware for the HyperDeck Shuttle 2 that supports recording to ProRes. This makes it far & away the cheapest option for recording from the HDMI of the C100 (& the 5D3 come next April). At little more than the size of a couple of 2.5" SSDs it's compact too.
Blackmagic Design: View Press Release (http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/press/pressdetails?releaseID=34123)
Blackmagic Design: HyperDeck Shuttle Tech Specs (http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/hyperdeckshuttle/techspecs/)

Interesting! Wonder if it will recognise the Record start/stop actions of the C100 like the Ninja 2 can? (i.e. no need to press Record on both the camera and the HDS 2).

I see H Preston Media have changed their website so the C100 now says "usually available within 1-2 days" (it did say available from 14th Nov).

I've still not heard anything from CVP. Maybe Preston got the only UK container load! Anyone with an order with them know what's going on?

More thoughts on the Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 ProRes 422 (HQ 220 Mbps) announcement.

1. I'm still favouring a Atomos Ninja 2 for the C100 as that way I'll get an additional screen - so that I can point it to the camera's 'control button side' when doing locked down/sit down interviews (since the C100 screen can't do that particular position - and on the 'dumb' side only at an awkward angle).
2. Also, although relatively cheap, don't forget you really need the mounting plate for the HDS 2 which adds both cost, thickness and weight, plus you'll need a means of powering it. Mind you, the Ninja 2 with a battery or two will add bulk and weight too.
3. Start/stop record feature? My guess is they would have mentioned this in the press release if it had this very useful functionality but I suspect this is the Ninja 2s trump card with the C100 and a few other specified cams - at least until Blackmagic get around to adding this functionality in a future firmware update on the HDS 2.
4. I really do like the fact that the HDS 2 is both SDI and HDMI though - means I could use it on my EX3 as well if I ever wanted to (i.e. without having to buy the extra converter from Atomos - which adds more bulk, weight and cost).

I stress point 3 is speculation on my part until we get some confirmation - maybe someone at today's BVE North in Manchester could ask this specific question on the Blackmagic stand?

What about a Sound Devices Pix 220 to get better sound?

What about a Sound Devices Pix 220 to get better sound?Nice device but it's 7-8X the price of the HyperDeck Shuttle v2 & weighs 2lbs.

Huge moire in the preproduction C100 video. C100 are makeup and crane shots. And handy close up shots, whatever that means, if it is all closeups then that looks good. But look at moire in roof in all crane shots. Unless that is a Vimeo artifact. Don't think so. C100 footage is AVCHD. DR is questionable. Slider shots are C300.

Canon EOS C100 / C300 on Vimeo

You can also see moire in the beginning inside the venue at the ceiling, they say they used a c100/300 but I also see a guy filming with, I think, a Sony vg20 (around 02:00) but maybe it was one of the guests.
Must say that the images in the trailer don't look that spectacular, looks more like something my 550d would be able to do as well. Wonder if it was done with these camera's, I have seen some images from the c300 done by Nigel and there you could easily pick the c300 shots out when paired with a 5D. In the trailer the c100 shots look very soft.

Let us hope Canon has cleared this up in the production firmware. BTW it has been reported that The preproduction model clipped at 85 IRE when at 320 ISO.

On the subject of the HyperDeck Shuttle.
My preferences is for a recorder that becomes part of the camera.
That means fixing it underneath the camera with a tripod plate beneath the shuttle, so that the camera can be used handheld or on a tripod etc without any fuss.
A friend pointed me to Stefan Sargent's post on his site last year which shares this sentiment and shows his solution.
If you scroll down the page you can see it here:
WHY CAN?T A VIDEO CAMERA BE MORE LIKE A VIOLIN? | ARTICLES (http://stefansargent.com/articles/?p=1222)
Perhaps Black Magic or somebody else could produce something like this.
Part of the joy of the C100 (and C300) to me is that it doesn't need pimping up.
As simple as possible please eg no rails.
BTW I hope the Hypershuttle will stop and start with the camera. Seems a no brainer and can't be that difficult surely.

The 85 IRE cut-off at 320 ISO issue post is right here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/new-canon-cinema-eos-c300-c300-pl-cameras/511909-some-raw-c100-sample-clips.html#post1763723

Also, this user has a file available to download that exhibits no moire at all. I was excited to see that.

I read on another forum that 35 Canon C100s have now been shipped to authorised resellers in Oz and that the next batch will be shipped at the end of Nov. I guess we should be seeing more user generated material on the web very soon then!

I see H Preston Media have changed their website so the C100 now says "usually available within 1-2 days" (it did say available from 14th Nov)From personal experience I wouldn't believe anything about delivery dates on Preston's website nor indeed any promises that they may give you by email or phone.

Some new videos on vimeo

Process on Vimeo

Canon C100 Custom Picture Test on Vimeo

Canon C100 Early Morning Test on Vimeo

C100 and NanoFlash on Vimeo

These look very promising! Thanks for posting.

Some new videos on vimeo

Process on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/52281510)

Canon C100 Custom Picture Test on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/53837539)

Canon C100 Early Morning Test on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/53913846)

C100 and NanoFlash on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/54007013)

Several of them were shot at 320 ISO and at less than optimal picture profiles, or is stylisticly graded, reducing DR andpixture quality dramatically.. I have yet to see a real test of the shippping camera.

Several of them were shot at 320 ISO and at less than optimal picture profiles, or is stylisticly graded, reducing DR andpixture quality dramatically.. I have yet to see a real test of the shippping camera.Read his description again. This is a production model he purchased.

Just took a 5 minute break from editing and found this. Looks like the C100 clips are coming in thick and fast from Australia now! :-)

C100 and NanoFlash on Vimeo

I see some C100s have now arrived with a dealer in the USA. My supplier here in the UK (CVP) are now stating "less than 7 days" availability. Yippee!

So 2 things then.

1. I better finally tell my wife I bought a new camera before the box arrives! ;-)

2. Ask Chris H to create a new forum area for the C100 - now that they are finally shipping/getting out into the wild, maybe lumped in with the C300 in a "C100 & C300" section. However, maybe we need a section just called "Canon Cinema EOS" - because there are also the C500 and 1D-C models to consider.

Any other/better suggestions?

Filmtools says our team's C100 has arrived.

Another video

Canon - C100 Test Footage - Completely, utterly non-scientific on Vimeo

Read his description again. This is a production model he purchased.

Shooting at 320 ISO will reduce DR on bth the C100 and the C300 production models, The Chinese tests were done at 320.

Shooting at 320 ISO will reduce DR on bth the C100 and the C300 production models, The Chinese tests were done at 320.I was pointing out that you said you have yet to see a real test from a production model and my point is the camera he has is a production model. That was all.

Just a quick note, the U.S. dealer that has the C100 in stock now is one of our trusted site sponsors, Texas Media Systems -- the link is http://www.texasmediasystems.com (http://www.texasmediasystems.com/)

And yes I agree, it's about time to spin off a dedicated forum for the C100.

(photo by Texas Media Systems)

The C100 has arrived in the UK. CVP website says they now have 21 in stock (and one of them is MINE!!!!). 2-3 days delivery so should have it early next week.

Pity I'm mega busy with clients - I doubt I'll have much time to play with the camera the next few weeks.

Will check it out though to make sure it does not have a stuck pixel like the one in that Vimeo video posted by Miko - see a few posts above.

Macroblocking, as expected with high speed objects. When you look at this be aware that the swinging chairs are out of focus, so look at the spinning objects on the ground. the out of foucs stuff breaks down much quicker. I have included the YouTube link since the VImeo version is not at 1080p. Listen, we all knew that with extremely fast motion we would have to use an external recorder.

This is not something that disqualifies the C100. I find it interesting that people scream about AVCHD on the C100 but not on the FS100/700. The real question is how well does the C10o compare to these cameras, and from the intial tests it looks better for normal speed work.

I will be doing C100 tests this weekend, and then custom profile optimization and C300 comparisons the first week in December. What do you guys want me to do? Will try to do as many tests as we need.

Testszenen: Erste Aufnahmen der Canon EOS C100 - VIDEOAKTIV - YouTube

Here are some direct comparisons of the C100 and the FS700. I much prefer the C100 image. Look at the wide shot of the stall, there is so much more DR in the C100 image.

Testszenen: Erste Aufnahmen der Canon EOS C100 - VIDEOAKTIV - YouTube
Testszenen: Erste Aufnahmen der Sony NEX-FS 700 - VIDEOAKTIV - YouTube

make sure you set both streams to 1080p

The FS700 may be slightly sharper in the pan over the prizes while in bright light. However, look at the black detail in the blowup pan over the bunch of shadowed black doll prizes, the C100 captures much more low light detail. Also the prize next to the white tigers in the shadow area, the C100 shows complete lines on the prize while the FS700 breaks the line up/ then as the pan continues to the right the C100 is clearly sharper than the FS700. The initial difference in detail could be a focus issue, but overall in this comparison the C100 has overall much more detail. much smmoth color gradients n the woman's face, less banding, I am very happy.

Canon C100 Test AVCHD vs ProRes on Vimeo

Atomos Ninja 2 ProRes compared with avchd. It's not a stress test by any means but the user has offered to provide the ProRes file to those interested (like me). I'm going to try bringing the exposure up a stop in both versions to see how the image holds up.

Surprised by the amount of aliasing in the eyebrows on the AVCHD vs. ProRes clip. Does bit rate affect aliasing that much, or is this another one of those Premiere Pro field order issues?

The user claims the aliasing is present in the original .MTS file as well.

Playing with our team's first C100, thanks to Debora for letting me pry it from her hands. First impression - the EVF is NOT the same as on the preproduction models. Actually much better, even usuable, Still not as good as a C300 but something that I can live with. Could be wrong but seems to be better than XF105. Repeat, I will be able to use this. I hope for aftermarket eyecup replacement to seal the EVF better, but that is small, Can read display info, focus still a little hard without peaking but there is peaking. Image magnification works only on LCD. Focusing still more difficult than it should be on EVF, but doable with peaking mag turned up. Again, this EVF seems better than the preproduction prototypes.

The C100 has arrived in the UK. CVP website says they now have 21 in stock (and one of them is MINE!!!!). 2-3 days delivery so should have it early next week.

Pity I'm mega busy with clients - I doubt I'll have much time to play with the camera the next few weeks.CVP still have 11 in stock (very tempting but I really don't need a new camera right now:-)

Andy, if you do have some time before Xmas I would love to bring my C300 along & do some comparisons. I'll drop you an email.

Preston UK have a price about 500 pounds cheaper than CVP last time I looked but they dont have any in stock yet.

Yes Nigel let's try and do that soon. CVP deliver my C100 on Tuesday.

From what I have seen so far on the various web clips out there it looks like an excellent purchase - but I will reserve judgement until I have had some quality time with the cam. As we all knew, serious work will need an external recorder and I am OK with that.

Comparing it to the C300 will be an excellent benchmark. Lets meet in a good pub in Norwich (there are many) and go from there!

Surprised by the amount of aliasing in the eyebrows on the AVCHD vs. ProRes clip. Does bit rate affect aliasing that much, or is this another one of those Premiere Pro field order issues?
I'm not convinced it is aliasing, and am also surprised in the difference between the AVCHD and ProRes clips. I'd expect ProRes to be a bit better - but not to give that difference.

The eyebrow difference looks more to me like a scaling issue when it's scaled up to 400%. It looks as if the AVCHD example is doing it in a much coarser fashion than ProRes, hence the stairstepping. One way to check that would be to take frame grabs from the timeline and import into Photoshop. Then upscale to 400% with image size, and make sure the same upscaling method (eg Bicubic smoother) is selected for each.

Canon are on a winner with this one by the looks. The body price gets lower every time I look. I am still wondering what damage it'll do to the FS700 price though (hey, I'd get both if I had that sort of scratch).

In a previous post I repeated the information given at the Canon seminar that there was no EV compensation, nearly caused me to cancel. Well, there is EV compensation buried in the menu, not as a button. N this will allow shooting without the grip that has very nice iris control. Without the grip it is a very light package that does not fpdraw attention, so will be able to run and gun where video is ordinarily frowned upon.

I think Canon got smart and made some small changes, to at least the EVF and EV, and who know what else, I will look. These changes remove some of the deliberate crippling seen in the prototype. This could be much nicer camera than it first seemed.

Will continue with ergonomic observations since ease of use is what was lacking in the Sony FS series, and this will set the C100 apart. I wanted a camera I could run and gun with, without setup, or stop and go shooting.

Comparing it to the C300 will be an excellent benchmark. Lets meet in a good pub in Norwich (there are many) and go from there!

C cameras and a pub! sounds like heaven! Count me in if there's room for one more, should have my C100 on Tuesday as well so looking forward to seeing how nicely it integrates with the C300.

I don't think the C100 would excite me at all as a main camera given it's been so heavily knobled by Canon but as a B cam it could very well be perfect for me if the images match up. After using a 5D with a DP4 monitor and videomic attached for two cam audio syncing the C100 should be very nice to use with it's built in mics and rear mounted LCD. I'm loving the move back to less bolt on bits and pieces.

Paul

Paul, it would be great to meet you as well as Nigel! I've admired your work ever since I discovered it when we both had films screened at The Forum in Norwich back in 2010 - with that BBC Norfolk Film Festival thing.

I'm thinking maybe Mon 3rd or Tues 4th Dec might (currently...) work for me as I'm filming for a client in Bury St Edmunds most of the back end of next week, for another in Cambridge back end of w/c 3rd and in Manchester and York most of w/c 10th. Everyone wants their films by Xmas!

Let's sort out details and dates by e-mail off-forum.

Turns out Adam, the skintones test user with the aliasing eyebrows actually did have his fields displayed incorrectly after all. He is replacing the current file he has uploaded.

He also provided me with the original .MTS and ProRes files so I raised the exposure by about 2 stops in Premiere using RGB Curves to see how both files did:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6707929/skintones_2_stops.mp4

I was pretty impressed with how well AVCHD held up but it's clear that ProRes provides more flexibility with recovering from underexposure.

Paul, it would be great to meet you as well as Nigel! I've admired your work ever since I discovered it when we both had films screened at The Forum in Norwich back in 2010 - with that BBC Norfolk Film Festival thing.

Be good to meet you too, looking forward to it.

Turns out Adam, the skintones test user with the aliasing eyebrows actually did have his fields displayed incorrectly after all. He is replacing the current file he has uploaded.

He also provided me with the original .MTS and ProRes files so I raised the exposure by about 2 stops in Premiere using RGB Curves to see how both files did:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6707929/skintones_2_stops.mp4

I was pretty impressed with how well AVCHD held up but it's clear that ProRes provides more flexibility with recovering from underexposure.

RE: Canon C100 Test AVCHD vs ProRes on Vimeo

AVCHD portion with proper NLE settings

One of you guys who have your C100 in hand please help. Switching the EVF to B&W makes it easy to focus, but then it unexpectedly also switches the recording to B&W. The manual does not say that this should happen, but it does. Is this behavior a software bug on all cameras or a fault in mine? Please try it.

Hi Philip - don't have the cam until Tuesday but that sounds like a software bug. I'm sure others who have can confirm for you soon.

I have a question for you. Are you really sure the EVF has been upgraded since the (4?) pre-production C100s did the rounds? We know from the specs that it is a higher resolution EVF than the (relatively poor) one on the XF100/105. I truly hope it has seen a major upgrade (maybe they used an XF100/105 EVF as a temp measure on the pre-prod C100s while tooling for the new one?). Real pity their marketing people did n't just let the design engineers use the already available and swivelling one on the C300s!

Seems lots of new C100 owners are having workflow problems with the NLEs not treating the the AVCHD footage as progressive - I guess that'll die down once the word gets around of how to deal with it - I've already posted a Provideo Coalition link about the workflow for Prem Pro a while back (Post No 215).

So far I've been pretty impressed by the "good stuff" that I've seen and downloaded - but I'll know for sure in a few days time. Roll on Tuesday!

The EVF driver software could also be different. My eyes require diopter correction so iti is possible that that was the part that got better. But something has changed. Not C300 level, but usable.

I find myself shooting primarily without a rig, holding the camera in two hands with my elbows against my body and using the EVF, not the LCD, to create three point stability. Will need to be inconspicuous when we do some doc work in a place that has potential dangers, no rig, external recorder or top handle. I am confident that the EVF will work fine for that, especially if I can use it in B&W mode without that forcing B&W recording, There is no way I could have done that with the prototype.

The key is to tilt your head sideways so your eye is closer to the EVF, not the semi straight on position you would use with the C300. When you use this eye position the increased EVF resolution gives an acceptably lage image. I don't recall being able to do this with the prototype, better eye cup? Again do not use the head position you would use with other cameras. If you do not tilt your head the EVF is horriblly small.

Who knows perhaps this trick is the difference, and I just did not discover it with the prototype. However the BT on the French demo film showed external EVFs gaff taped to the prototypes, so there is a chance something has changed other than my expectation that I should look straight into the EVF as with other cameras.

Look at the design of the C100 eyecup. It is shallow for tilted use since the shallowness makes your nose get in the way if you look straight on into the EVF. The C300 EVF extends toward you.

Well, all change comes from within so perhaps it was me - and every other person who played with the prototypes.