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Woody Sanford
September 22nd, 2012, 08:58 PM
My pleasure Mark, I don't usually get to be the guy providing info. Usually I'm one of the guys just surfing around absorbing it. I'm happy to repay all you guys anytime I can.

Woody Sanford
September 22nd, 2012, 11:15 PM
One more video of the camera under vibration distress.

While I was on the Tar Res. I did run a creek channel back to the boat launch. I've run other cameras that were toast due to "Skew" and "Wobble" rolling shutter effects on the same mount. My boat has a four stroke Yamaha F60 and is real quiet, so you can pick up a lot from inside the closed housing. The loudest noise you hear is from the camera vibrating inside the housing, so if you are looking to use it in a situation such as this, I would pad it with something thin like moleskin. I'm surprised the vibration didn't mess up the picture, it sure sounded horrible.

Sony HDR AS15 Vibration - YouTube (http://youtu.be/U1Z5YjdHeK0)

Lynne Whelden
September 23rd, 2012, 06:25 AM
Impressive SteadyShot on Woody's youtube post...but I notice the lawn grass detail has been lost in a blur of major compression artifacts. And this is using the 170 degree, cleanest video.

Steady Shot on HDR AS15 - YouTube

Woody Sanford
September 23rd, 2012, 07:14 AM
Impressive SteadyShot on Woody's youtube post...but I notice the lawn grass detail has been lost in a blur of major compression artifacts. And this is using the 170 degree, cleanest video.

Steady Shot on HDR AS15 - YouTube

You can only use 120 degree while the steady shot is activated.

Lynne Whelden
September 23rd, 2012, 07:35 AM
I assumed 170 because the fish-eye distortion was so pronounced...the roof of the house in the background was bending.
So I guess the video's being hit with a "double whammy"...digital noise introduced by the SS along with noise from enlarging the frame? Thus explaining the grass falling apart?

But as Woody said, maybe I just have to accept the fact that this is the "POV look." It ain't gonna get any better.

Mark Rosenzweig
September 23rd, 2012, 09:53 AM
The Youtube videos are doubly compressed - by the maker of the videos in an editor and by Youtube. Here are originals from the camera:


1. An original jpeg taken from the interval recording mode.


2. A frame grab taken from the original 170-video on a relatively dark afternoon. This is the worst case, as the scene is highly detailed - even 108060p camcorders do not do that well, but they do better.


This is the best you get from cloudy end of day.

Woody Sanford
September 23rd, 2012, 12:10 PM
But as Woody said, maybe I just have to accept the fact that this is the "POV look." It ain't gonna get any better.

I'm sure adding another "0" to the price would change that but then my wife wouldn't let me be so lucky to be out running around with this thing. :-)

Duane Steiner
September 23rd, 2012, 09:35 PM
Didn't go on the drive today that I was planning on, but did a little video on the way to lunch.

Sony HDR-AS15 POV camera test - driving footage - YouTube

Some slow motion of hummingbirds.

Hummingbirds in slow motion filmed with the Sony HDR-AS15 POV camera - YouTube

Mark Rosenzweig
September 24th, 2012, 07:23 AM
I am enjoying the time-lapse feature. Here are two time-lapse scenes: one at an airport terminal and the other at Trafalgar Square, London in pouring rain (that waterproof case came in handy). In the square I did did not quite set the camera straight, but you can see what the camera can do. The video I made is the full 1080p, so select that:

Sony HDR AS15 Action Cam Time Lapse Test Video: Airport Terminal and Trafalgar Square - YouTube (http://youtu.be/IZSIphlsQc8?hd=1)

Don Litten
September 24th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Very nice Mark!
How long between shots?

Mark Rosenzweig
September 24th, 2012, 10:07 AM
I chose one shot every five seconds About a half hour for each scene of shooting, Then rendered as a 30p 1080 video.

Noa Put
September 24th, 2012, 10:08 AM
Is there anyone that could share a few seconds of raw footage through dropbox or any other sharing site? Think it would be very interesting if we could see how the footage looks like before it undergoes any type of compression.

Woody Sanford
September 24th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Is there anyone that could share a few seconds of raw footage through dropbox or any other sharing site? Think it would be very interesting if we could see how the footage looks like before it undergoes any type of compression.

Noa, Try this link. I uploaded a clip to my yousendit account and this should be the link to it. https://www.yousendit.com/download/TEhWSmIxSWhrUm1jZDhUQw

I also made a open air mount today to try and avoid over heating in the housing during long recordings. Pretty cheap and if it buy's me some time, its worth it.


DIY Open Mount for AS15 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/okGwrvwERdQ)

Noa Put
September 25th, 2012, 12:41 AM
Thx Woody!

Mark Rosenzweig
September 25th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Another time-lapse video from the AS15:

Sony HDR AS15 Action Cam Time Lapse Test Video 2: Charing Cross Terminal - YouTube (http://youtu.be/Y3UETHvXfvk?hd=1)

Select 1080p.

This has better lighting than the other two.

Woody Sanford
September 25th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Cool time lapse Mark!

Ron Evans
September 25th, 2012, 09:14 PM
Having read through the manual I am disappointed it will not record 60P with audio or even 60i. I am not a fan of slow frame rates and the purpose for me is skiing where I would like the smooth fast motion capture with Steadyshot that GoPro and ContourHD do not have. I may just go for the latest Contour + which has WIFI, GPS so has some similarities but does do 60P. At least have a lot of mounts/batteries for my present Contour. It is a little more expensive.

Ron Evans

Don Litten
September 26th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Mine is due today and I just looked at the order.

They're shipping it with Lasership. That's bad!

I have a No Trespassing at my gates and for a number of orders, they would mark it "Left on the front porch" but nothing was there. When I'd call and complain they would always say it was because he was afraid to go past the sign. I told Amazon to never use them again for my deliveries.

They couldn't promise they but did send my complaint to Lasership who delivered fine for a while.

I have a Great Dane who is more baby than dog and wouldn't hurt a fly. He stays in the house most of the time but can go out when he wants.

One day I heard a blood curdling scream from the front yard. There lay the Deivery man on the ground curled up in a ball and Zeus sitting about ten feet away looking puzzled. The fellow had seen him, tried to run and fell down.

I may never get my camera.

Mark Rosenzweig
September 26th, 2012, 12:19 PM
Another time-lapse video: The Strand, London at rush hour and dusk:


Sony HDR AS15 Action Cam Time Lapse Test Video 3: The Strand - YouTube (http://youtu.be/BQH_x_VUmU4?hd=1)



Select 1080p.

Duane Steiner
September 27th, 2012, 12:18 AM
Some accessories that are not on Sony's store yet:

Sony Handheld Grip with LCD for Action Cam $99.99
A Handheld Grip with LCD Screen adding a camcorder-style 2.7” wide rotatable LCD for instant playback, monitoring during filming, and self-recording.

Sony Anti-Fog Insert for Action Cam $16.99
Anti-fog sheets to help stop condensation build-up in the waterproof case during marine or winter sports, reusable for approx. 2,000 times by natural drying.

Sony Tilt Adapter for Action Cam $24.99
Tilt Adaptor to adjust the device’s angle up or down on mounts for more viewpoint options.

Sony Replacement Door Pack for the Action Cam $49.99
A Replacement Door Pack that offers three different housing door options to deliver improved picture or sound quality for suitable environments: HD Dive Housing - door with flat lens for diving/underwater focus, HD Skeleton Housing - door with opening over the microphone for improved audio, Replacement HD Housing - door with curved lens for scratch replacement

Don Litten
September 27th, 2012, 02:55 AM
It doesn't appear the adhesive mounts are available either.

Lynne Whelden
September 27th, 2012, 05:07 AM
Where are you finding those accessories listed? I would like to see a picture of the "Handheld grip" camcorder adapter especially, along with its weight.
I'm not a big fan of a wi-fi transmitter parked near my brain while wearing the headband unit!

Duane Steiner
September 27th, 2012, 08:00 AM
Where are you finding those accessories listed? I would like to see a picture of the "Handheld grip" camcorder adapter especially, along with its weight.
I'm not a big fan of a wi-fi transmitter parked near my brain while wearing the headband unit!

No pictures. Saw the listing on a site called Unique Photo (don't think I can link as not a sponsor).

Don Litten
September 27th, 2012, 09:16 AM
Has anyone operated the camera by WiFi yet?

I'm old and worse than that, I'm an old hillbilly and am iggernant in WiFiology.

The instructions say select a suitable application. Well duh, what is a suitable application to run the camera?????....not view or transfer the images....to operate the camera.

Woody Sanford
September 27th, 2012, 10:42 AM
Has anyone operated the camera by WiFi yet?

I'm old and worse than that, I'm an old hillbilly and am iggernant in WiFiology.

The instructions say select a suitable application. Well duh, what is a suitable application to run the camera?????....not view or transfer the images....to operate the camera.

Don, I've used the WiFi more often than not. You have to download the Sony "Play Memories Mobile" app for your phone.

Lynne Whelden
September 27th, 2012, 12:25 PM
Don, I only just bought my first "trak phone," not cell phone mind you, a month ago (and didn't bother to renew it after the first month ran out). So I understand your confusion. I was thinking maybe the software came on a cd but I'm assuming it must come from a Sony web site. Here's a useful video on wi-fi's usage with the Action Cam:
Sony Action Camera WiFi Demo (HDR-AS15) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/ErO_WSgKm2o)

Mark Rosenzweig
September 27th, 2012, 01:05 PM
It doesn't appear the adhesive mounts are available either.

Adhesive mounts are included with the camera. you get two - one curved and one flat. also comes with waterproof housing.

Don Litten
September 27th, 2012, 06:54 PM
I know Mark but I buy them by the dozen for the GoPros. Lots of things to stick them on.

Mark Rosenzweig
September 27th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Well, others may not know what you are saying or what comes with the camera. In any case, what you are saying about *extra* adhesive mounts not being available is untrue:

Sony Action Cam Adhesive Mount Pack | Action Cam Mounts | VCT-AM1 | Sony USA (http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666486338&tab=featuresTab)

They are available from Sony, in stock, and ship nextday. So, I don't get what you are using as information.

Don Litten
September 27th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Thanks!
I looked in the Sony Store and on Amazon and couldn't find them.

Pricy aren't they! Hopefully the aftermarket folks will get on them pretty fast. Until then, I'm making an adapter to use GOPro mounts.

Don Litten
September 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM
Don, I only just bought my first "trak phone," not cell phone mind you, a month ago (and didn't bother to renew it after the first month ran out). So I understand your confusion. I was thinking maybe the software came on a cd but I'm assuming it must come from a Sony web site. Here's a useful video on wi-fi's usage with the Action Cam:
Sony Action Camera WiFi Demo (HDR-AS15) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/ErO_WSgKm2o)

Thanks Lynn. I was under the impression the memories app was just to play the files over WiFi.
That explains it completely.

Woody Sanford
September 27th, 2012, 08:53 PM
I know Mark but I buy them by the dozen for the GoPros. Lots of things to stick them on.

I actually stuck my flat one to the hook side of velcro and use velcro to mount to most things. Cuts down on how many I'd need, now I might just need a half dozen rather than buying the bulk packs to stick one on everything. Some things don't need to be that secure.

Don Litten
September 27th, 2012, 09:41 PM
That's a good idea Woody and a lot of the mounts I use like magnets, wireless pan & tilt I built and my Jib/crane, use a standard 1/4" tripod mount.

Paul Cronin
September 28th, 2012, 09:35 AM
Just sold all of my GoPro gear to move to this camera. Wifi will be a huge help for my use. Thanks for all the info posted and look forward to my first two cameras.

Woody Sanford
September 28th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Just went and played in a stained creek. I don't have much for clear water around me.

Sony HDR AS15 playing in the creek - YouTube (http://youtu.be/lxHbmZHH1hg)

Don Litten
September 29th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Today's test was a learning experience. I learned it fogs worse than a GoPro. I need to see if there's enough space in the case for few grains of rice.

Noa Put
September 29th, 2012, 11:01 AM
posted under wrong topic: deleted

Duane Steiner
September 29th, 2012, 11:41 AM
Today's test was a learning experience. I learned it fogs worse than a GoPro. I need to see if there's enough space in the case for few grains of rice.

I think Sony will be coming out with anti-fog things to put in the case.

Lynne Whelden
September 29th, 2012, 12:28 PM
A couple tech questions....

1-Are Class 6 SD cards sufficient for use here?
2-Will Rycote's "micro windjammer" (dead cat) mic covers that work with 10mm diameter mics sufficient for use here?

Mark Rosenzweig
September 29th, 2012, 12:52 PM
1. Class 6 is fine.

2. I have windjammers; one is large enough to cover both mics but you will have to trim them to fit as the mic holes are close to the lens.

Mark Rosenzweig
September 29th, 2012, 12:53 PM
The Sony HDR AS15 puts out a clean HDMI signal including the sound from the microphone, which means you can record externally. I recorded with the Atomos Ninja2 using *144Mbps* Pro Res. The camera was recording at its native MP4 at *16Mbps*. Both recorded at 108030p. The uploaded file that contains both types of recordings (two scenes) is MP4 108030p at bitrate 26Mbps (combined in Vegas Pro). Thus you can see if there is a quality change if the bitrate were higher than what the camera uses. The internally recorded clip precedes the (original) Pro Res clip for each scene. See any difference?

Sony HDR AS15 Test Video: Comparison of Native 16Mbps Files with 144Mbps Pro Res Files - YouTube (http://youtu.be/lPULaXg4BH0?hd=1)

Duane Steiner
September 30th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Tested it out today on my car. Does not like heat. Was around 95 here and it keep shutting off. Sony needs a more open case for it.

Lynne Whelden
September 30th, 2012, 04:02 PM
I wondered about the heat/sun factor. Maybe just painting it white would be an improvement?

Mark OConnell
September 30th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Anyone know what the range is for the wifi?

Duane Steiner
September 30th, 2012, 05:36 PM
Anyone know what the range is for the wifi?

I walked away about 15 feet and it worked. Also worked inside the car when mounted on the back.

Duane Steiner
September 30th, 2012, 05:37 PM
I wondered about the heat/sun factor. Maybe just painting it white would be an improvement?

I might buy another case on drill it out.

Mark OConnell
September 30th, 2012, 09:54 PM
I walked away about 15 feet and it worked. Also worked inside the car when mounted on the back.

Thanks Duane.

Don Litten
September 30th, 2012, 09:56 PM
I walked away about 15 feet and it worked. Also worked inside the car when mounted on the back.

I used it at 50 feet yesterday.

Yes, the case is a problem and fogging is a problem and I had fits playing with the slo mo mode. It is not a P&S camera IMO.
It also has a lot of potential I think.

Duane Steiner
September 30th, 2012, 10:36 PM
I wondered about the heat/sun factor. Maybe just painting it white would be an improvement?

I used it at 50 feet yesterday.

Yes, the case is a problem and fogging is a problem and I had fits playing with the slo mo mode. It is not a P&S camera IMO.
It also has a lot of potential I think.

That is one thing I like about my Contour, the rotating lens and mount makes it really easy to find a good position and no need for a case.

Woody Sanford
October 1st, 2012, 09:17 AM
I haven't had an issue with fogging yet. I also haven't had heat shut it down yet but I did notice enough heat while shooting some time lapse's that I built a mount that let it be exposed for that.

DIY Open Mount for Sony HDR-AS15 Action Camera - YouTube (http://youtu.be/okGwrvwERdQ)

So far I've been a little over 20 yards from mine and still been able to run it with the phone but then I've also had interference at less than 5 feet from my blu-tooth ear piece.