JVC Professional Features page (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102132)

Under $5,000.00!! Ships in March/April

Presser:

JVC News Release -- JVC UNVEILS WORLD’S FIRST HANDHELD 4K CAMCORDER (http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2012/releases/gyhmq10.html)

Wow.
Will be interesting to see the footage.
Thanks

4k @ 60p? Thats really good for that price...

Leave it to JVC. They're always the innovators.
Man, I can't wait to see footage from one of these. The problem is...what do I see it on? Are we at the dawn of 4K productions?

I doubt very many intitially will have 4K as their delivery format. The fact you can shoot in HD from 3840x2160 to 1080/60p should result in very nice looking HD images. You can also shoot in crop mode which they call trimming. I'm curious to see how well the new CMOS looks. THe HM 100/150 used CCD. Look forward to seeing some demos.

Im curious about the "cropping" or "trimming" on this camera... Will it operate like the RED sensors and crop it down for telephoto reach, DSLR-esque line skipping, or full 4K internal downscaling?

4k in a consumer/prosumer camcorder?? really? Why do this? You can't shoot for cinema with this. Not with a 1/2 chip, a weak codec, no slog, etc. Why then whould you need 4k? To downconwert to HD? For that price I would rather buy an AF100 or a GH2, or something that would be able to producer a more cinematic picture.

I guess this does have its applications, maybe for docus ment for the big screen? I just don't see it as an HD camera. 8MP on a 1/2 chip - I wonder how much DR this camcorder is going to have. I guess it's primary users will be those who need lots of rez for a small amount of money.

Ps.: sorry for the rent, I'm just a bit disappointed that THIS is what JVC came out with. But nontheless it IS progress I guess...:)

Sure, you can shoot cinema with it! Feature films have been shot with mini-DV cameras (28 Days Later). When JVC demoed the prototype last year, reviewers were amazed at the images it produced - "looking through a window" details. Although one reviewer said the dynamic range wasn't all that good. It is a 1/2" CMOS, after all. Who knows? We'll soon find out.

I've been waiting for this announcement ever since I heard about the 4K prototype. What will I need it for? Heck, I don't know, but I want one!

I know what you mean Glen, but look at the money we saved by not buying all the others :)

Cheers.

It's already up on B&H's website. Well, partially.

JVC GY-HMQ10 HANDHELD 4K CAMCORDER GY-HMQ10U B&H Photo Video

This thing is a photojournalist's dream - video good enough for decent frame grabs.

Is this camera on display anywhere? I haven't seen any stories on it other than ones based on the press release. What's the editing situation for 4k on SD cards? Gotta be a nightmare.

It won't be released until March.
I wonder if JVC will introduce a similar camera in the HM700 body? That'd be sweet, but the lens has to be really good.

4k in a consumer/prosumer camcorder?? really? Why do this? You can't shoot for cinema with this. Not with a 1/2 chip, a weak codec, no slog, etc. Why then whould you need 4k?

Compositing would be what I am looking at it for. The extra res when working in After Effects is huge! I know its not a good 4:2:2 codec, but Ive been compositing with DSLR footage for years now and it works for my application.

Looks like a HMC-100/150 with a squarish-looking tumour poking out of its side, LOL. Even so, it should be interesting to see what kind of image quality it can produce with its 4K sensor. I would suspect (hope, maybe?) that its downconverted HD images will be absolutely stunning.

I think most people missed its most groundbreaking feature. It can output a live 4K stream!!!
I think not even Red can do that. There is a lot of potential in this camera and probably much more in the underlying technology. If I'm not mistaken is less than a year since they announced their new processing chip. Imagine if they were Canon, how long it would taken for this camera. LOL

JVC years ago, gave us the first VHS-C camcorder and a few years back the first HDV camcorder. It does it again giving the first 4K AVHD camcorder. Kudos to them for being true camera innovators, even if they don't have a strong following in the professional world.

Also their price is very competitive. Just the inclusion of a 4K 10X 2.8 lens worths at least 1/4th of the price.

I agree.

And it looks like JVC are doing the reverse from Canon with their C300, and releasing their prosumer version first ..

'Don't expect the HMQ10 to be JVC's last word on 4K — certainly not for the professional market, though the XLR inputs should extend this camera's usability out of the pure consumer realm. The company promised more 4K news throughout 2012, which we suspect will include some NAB announcements. The HMQ10 ships in March.'

(Elsewhere they say April .. you might expect the JVC marketing dept to be falling over itself, it's not limited to the RED Canon bus lol.)

Nice 4K/HD page ..

JVC Professional Technical Description page (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/tech_desc.jsp?model_id=MDL102132&feature_id=02)

Cheers.

My first HD camera was a JVC HD10U & I'm not sure if I'll ever totally forgive JVC for it. In 2009 I used a couple JVC HM700 cameras in a shared pool ENG / EFP shop & I personally felt that the camera couldn't hold up to the abuse (at least not compared to the horrible torture I've seen inflicted on numerous Sony Betacams years after they should've been retired).

Now I'm just saying this to show I'm not the biggest JVC fan boy & to emphasize the weight of my next statement. The HMQ10 just made it on to my short list of my next camera to buy.

Looks very good on paper so far, I'll be looking closely into this camera & see how it shakes out.

Now imagine this:

Since it has 4K out, you can rent the uncompressed Sony recorder for F65 and if you manage to connect it to the 4 HDMIs, you will get amazing uncompressed 4k video, albeit with the dynamic, low light and DOF limitations of the camera.

Alternatively, you can buy 4 atomos Ninja's for a combined cost with the camera of $9K. If its possible to combine the streams into 4K with the provided software, you will get a very impressive 880 Mbps 4K video in the Prores format. Probably 8bit because of the HDMI (I'm crossing my fingers on that), but nevertheless exceptional for the money you payed ;-)
A WYSIWYG 4K camera, with less compression than Epic!

Well, I guess Scarlet arrived after all. :-)

Well, I guess Scarlet arrived after all. :-)

LOL! I was just about to post this. A single chip (granted, 1/2", not 2/3") fixed lens camera, able to record 4K images, all for under $6,000. Hmm, where have we heard this story before? :-)

Edit - it's actually a 1/2.3" chip, slightly smaller than a 1/2" chip.

What would scanning artifacts look like when a 2x2 array is being scanned in parallel?

There's more to images than just resolution figures, there's dynamic range, colour space, handling of highlights, skin tones, sensitivity and compression artefacts. There are a lot of boxes to be ticked.

Looks like a HMC-100/150 with a squarish-looking tumour poking out of its side, LOL.

It's not a too-mah!

c'mon Sony, give us something !

Leave it to JVC. They're always the innovators.
Man, I can't wait to see footage from one of these. The problem is...what do I see it on? Are we at the dawn of 4K productions?

I Got a chane to play around with the cam at NAB JVC displayed clips from the cam on a 4k TV the footage looked great.

4k @ 60p? Thats really good for that price...

It records in QuadHD (or QFHD) 3840×2160, not 4k. 3840 <> 4096. Stupid marketeers.

It records in QuadHD (or QFHD) 3840×2160, not 4k. 3840 <> 4096. Stupid marketeers.

Technically, yes, it's slightly below 4K, but the digital film standard of Academy 4K is 3656 x 2664 and Digital Cinema 4K is 3996 x 2160 (1.85:1 aspect ratio).
3840×2160 Is darn close to 4K.

I'm more excited about what this camera does for the industry than what it does mechanically. It's a catalyst, so to speak. RED did its part pushing for affordable cameras with big sensors, high resolution, and raw video. I think MY major goal for RED is done (forcing the big Japanese companies to get in on the game) Now, that JVC has jumped into 4K, Canon, Sony, and Panny must follow suit and release some competition which will involve "1-upping" each other. It's still the same annoying "trickle of tech" way of releasing cameras every year with minimum upgrades, but we've reached another "jump tier"

Like this (very simplified and not including alot of high end recording mediums):

Tier 1 Mini DV (late 90's - early 00's)

yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade

Tier 2 HDV (early 00's - mid 00's)

yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade

Tier 3 Solid State HD/variable frame rate (late 00's - early 10's)

yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade
yearly minimum upgrade

Tier 4 Solid State HD/4K (current starting trend which will probably really kick into gear next year)

I really appreciate what RED has done. I can't wait to see what the next couple of years bring!

Consumer wins!

-burk

...and yea, the prosumer and professional products do enjoy more than a year lifespan, I know. Just tryin to illustrate a point. ;)

-burk

It's an interesting camera, I'm really curious about what kind of picture it delivers.

I don't want to nitpick, but recording to 4 separate SD cards gives you 4 times as much chance that something will go wrong with your material, and I doubt that archiving and post workflows will be very happy about it as well. And it's 4 streams worth of AVCHD - one will have to have a pretty powerful workstation to edit this kind of footage with decent performance.

I also hope that the JVC app for stitching the files together does not introduce more compression than there already is.

I don't want to nitpick, but recording to 4 separate SD cards gives you 4 times as much chance that something will go wrong with your material, and I doubt that archiving and post workflows will be very happy about it as well. And it's 4 streams worth of AVCHD - one will have to have a pretty powerful workstation to edit this kind of footage with decent performance.

I also hope that the JVC app for stitching the files together does not introduce more compression than there already is.

My thoughts exactly. Still not a fan of using AVCHD to compress stuff. Near-lossless codecs are where 4K really shines. And parallel recording to 4 cards would be a nightmare for logging and binning.

Craig Yanagi from JVC is a very pleasant guy, tho here he seems to be only 5 mins ahead of us :)

ProPhoto Coalition.com: VIDEO: Dan Carr | Founder | Photo Gear & Adventure (http://prophotocoalition.com/index.php/dcarr/video/a_look_at_jvcs_new_4k_camera_and_the_future_larger_sensor_interchangeable_lens_version/)

Interesting to see a view of the right hand side of the cam and that you can remove the complete external 48V mic fittings and handle.

Cheers.

I'll take that as a compliment, Allan.

Sir :) Those are some really nice new cameras you've got there and enormous interest is being generated around the web. We're all looking forward to seeing some pictures.

Do you have any news on release dates down under and was your production affected by the Tsunami last year? Thanks.

Cheers.

Thanks for sharing that information Craig!
Also thank you for linking to that video Allan.

Exciting things ahead.

The HMQ10 shares the same size sensor as the consumer JVC PX10 and the Everio GX1, HM550, HM1S, HM960 and HM860.
I wonder if all the new JVC cams use the FALCONBRID processor?

edit - i think only the new EX/V/VX/GX and PX cameras have the new processor. Most can do 300fps shooting.

c'mon Sony, give us something !



I have a feeling if Sony announces anything like this, it'll probably be at NAB 2012. I could be wrong. Just my guess.

Since it will be possible to shoot in Full HD (1920x1080) by cropping 2x on the sensor, do you think that means it could be used as an HD camcorder with a 85mm-850mm zoom ? (42,5mm-425mm x 2)
If I'm right, that may be interesting for Wildlife…

Since it will be possible to shoot in Full HD (1920x1080) by cropping 2x on the sensor, do you think that means it could be used as an HD camcorder with a 85mm-850mm zoom ? (42,5mm-425mm x 2)
If I'm right, that may be interesting for Wildlife…

When cropping 2x it's going to become critical that the lens be rather flawless. I guess we'll see how useful this feature is once the camera comes out or more footage is available.

Nice video on youtube about the JVC 4K Camcorder:

JVC GY-HMQ10 4K Camcorder | 4KCam at CES 2012 - YouTube

Records to 4 SD cards.

I'm looking at all the stats and watching all the videos - does this camera have ND filters?

Here are some detailed pics of the HMQ10 and the prototype Nikon mount version:

JVC GY-HMQ10 Hands-On Review (http://www.photographybay.com/2012/01/26/jvc-gy-hmq10-hands-on-4k-camera-for-under-5k/)

What's interesting about the camcorder was the decision to go with 4 HDMI 1.3a adapters to output the 4K signal, HDMI 1.4a supports 4K output with a single cable. From my research, there are only a handful of 4K monitors that have 4 HDMI inputs available, but far more 4K monitors/projectors that can do 4K over HDMI 1.4a, so the output they chose limits your display device options.

People are curiously wondering why they would shoot in 4K res now when I always was under the impression to shoot as high a resolution as you can now and you can alwasy downsample and output to a lower resolution later. Start high, work down, plus you are a step ahead of the curve when 4K is more mainstream.

There are a number of factors that add up to great images, shooting and recording at 4k resolution is just one, you'd also be interested in dynamic range, how good the skin tones are, how well it handles rolling shutter and other artefacts.

Quite apart those considerations, you'll have to consider how practical the camera is in the rough and tumble of making a film.

Troy - I guess the decision to use HDMI 1.3a was made because, from what I can tell, this camera has 4 parallel circuits coming out from the ADC that converts analog signal from the sensor, and then the whole pipeline follows from that. This way you can reuse components that were already proven, like encoders and outputs, and R&D costs are most likely significantly reduced.

I presume there is only a single ADC, because JVC has already found out (and the customers also in a hard way) that those chips are a nightmare to calibrate evenly, and any low-light, high-gain shooting scenario would result in a split screen visible differences. Plus the fact, that you can window your sensor to 1080 any way you want suggests that the windowing happens in the ADC, and then only a single pipeline is engaged in encoding, output etc.

If they wanted to employ HDMI 1.4a, they would have to add another separate piece of circuitry to do this. Not that it would not make our lives easier, it would just be more expensive.

Anyone know whether either of the 2 new cameras have genlock?

I agree that this camcorder sounds wonderful, but I'm concerned about the amount of compression involved. As I recall, full 1080p 60 fps video comes out at 3 Gbs uncompressed. As I understand it, this camera records at 28 Mbs, giving a compression of greater than 100:1. What can we expect with such a high compression rate ?

I agree that this camcorder sounds wonderful, but I'm concerned about the amount of compression involved. As I recall, full 1080p 60 fps video comes out at 3 Gbs uncompressed. As I understand it, this camera records at 28 Mbs, giving a compression of greater than 100:1. What can we expect with such a high compression rate ?

Mark,

For 1080p out, it uses the standard AVCHD compression at almost the highest bit rate for the standard @ 27 Mbps (AVCHD does up to 28 Mbps in spec 2.0). There are plenty of AVCHD camcorders out now that perform admirably with those figures at 1080p/60, examples are littered throughout this and other forums.

Also, it's been mentioned on some sites (like here (http://www.photographybay.com/2012/01/26/jvc-gy-hmq10-hands-on-4k-camera-for-under-5k/)) that this new camera by JVC will allow uncompressed video out, if so then you should have no problems with compression as long as it's applicable to 1080p uncompressed out. It would be highly unusual if they offered uncompressed 4K out but not uncompressed 1080p out, but stranger things have happened.

I think in the end compression shouldn't be that huge of a factor either way, all the preliminary looks at the live and pre-recorded footage that I've read about said that compression was a non issue (and this was on 4K monitors to boot).

Troy

For 4K, as I understand it, the new JVC camera records each 108060p quadrant at 36Mbps, not 28Mbps. That is, by arithmetic, almost a 30% higher bitrate than the highest HD standard. Since there are four quadrants, the effective bitrate for the 4K picture is 4*36 =144Mbps.