Hi,

When I set my 600D to PAL the highest frame rate it offers is 25P my XHA1 offers 25f which I will also be using on shoots. The 600D also offers 60p but that's only in NTSC mode. If I shoot in 60p my footage will undoubtedly be a lot smoother however mixing the two formats will mean that I would need to convert the 60p footage to PAL and that could take hours. Has anybody had a similar setup and what solutions are available to me? I really want the 60p as I can slow the footage right down whilst still maintaining the quality.

It must be pilot error. The 600D does shoot 50fps but only at 1280x720. When you set Video System to PAL you get 1920x1080 @25fps 1920x1080@24fps 1280x720@50fps & 640x480 @25fps. Set it to NTSC & get 1920x1080 @30fps 1920x1080@24fps 1280x720@60fps & 640x480 @30fps.

Yes my mistake I was concentrating on the left hand side of the video setup. Can the 600D ever go up to 50fps at a higher resolution using an update as 1920 is ideally what I would like to record at to get the best out of my camera. If that is not an option how would one work with both 50p footage and 25p footage within fcp what would the sequence setup be? I am still waiting for my memory card to arrive and anxious to know.

None of the other Canon DSLRs can record at 1920x1080 @50/60fps so I doubt that any firmware update will enable it on the 600D.

Often one either shoots all 50p or conforms 50p to 25p for slow motion. Otherwise if the majority of your footage is 25p then set your sequence to that & just drop the 50p clips onto the timeline & let FCP sort it out.

I think ill shoot 50fps for certain shots which I want to slow down in post but in the whole Ill work ok 25p on both the XHA1 and the 600D.

Depending what you are shooting, you may want to shoot 50p all the time to give you the option of slowmo in post whenever. Always works very well on any kind of shots with movement in them.
3x mode wont work on t3i in 720p 50

I was hoping that 3x would work in 50p mode oh well maybe a firmware update.a

Tariq,

What do you find problematic about working in 1920x1080 25p? Shutter speed of 1/50th will give you essentially the same "cinematic" motion blur as early film cameras got with 1/48th.

Hi,

Creating slow motion footage with 25p does not look as good as the slow motion shots shot at 50p

I think you should check out the price, light requirements and so on of proper high speed cameras. It offers some indication of why it's hard for your sub-$1000 camera to manage.

I was hoping that 3x would work in 50p mode oh well maybe a firmware update.a

There are many reasons why this is unlikely ever to happen.

Hi,

Creating slow motion footage with 25p does not look as good as the slow motion shots shot at 50p

Have you tried Twixtor? Works well in certain situations.

Hi Guys,

I recorded some footage at 50p the audio seems fine but everybody in the video seems to be moving way too fast. it's hard to explain but trying to slow it down and speed it up in after effects means I have to render the footage each time. Is there something I am missing?

You can use Apple cinema tools to conform the 50p to whatever speed you want. Remember to duplicate the original file as conforming in Cinema Tools would affect the original footage.

You should also shoot at least 100 shutter speed. But the faster the shutter, the better the slow mo should be. I read somewhere that 1000 is a good number... But a lot of this is trial and error... I wish I had time to trial and error myself.

Oh, and isn't there rumors that the 5D mk3 will have full hd 60p... Very tempting.

I did not know that adjusting the frame rate or shutter speed would increase the speed of the video I just thought the video would be much higher quality at 50fps enabling me to do some really cool slow motion effects if I ever needed to. If I film at 1280 x 720 (50fps) with the shutter speed set to 100 would the video not look like its playing at double speed? This is my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32v5RHCQgmI

I did not know that adjusting the frame rate or shutter speed would increase the speed of the video I just thought the video would be much higher quality at 50fps enabling me to do some really cool slow motion effects if I ever needed to. If I film at 1280 x 720 (50fps) with the shutter speed set to 100 would the video not look like its playing at double speed? This is my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32v5RHCQgmI

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Sorry user error, it is now public. Thanks 50fpsmov - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32v5RHCQgmI) sorry about the shaky camera!

It looks alright. What are you expecting to see here? Should it be faster or slower?
(incidentally, doing just about anything in After Effects means re-rendering. That's unfortunately how After Effects works).

If I use my 600D to record at 50p and I put that in a timeline which contains 25p footage from my XHA1 would the video go straight into the timeline? If not does that mean I have to convert the 50p footage into 25p and would that not mean the footage would play in slow motion as its half the speed?

I think it depends on what you are editing in. It should be possible in most cases these days, but by default some will reinterpret the footage to match the speed of the project, others will keep the footage frame accurate and therefore slow it down. There's likely options buried somewhere that decide which the program will do.
Likewise, if you convert it you can probably do it in those two ways as well: maintain time or maintain frames.

You can use Apple cinema tools to conform the 50p to whatever speed you want. Remember to duplicate the original file as conforming in Cinema Tools would affect the original footage.

You should also shoot at least 100 shutter speed. But the faster the shutter, the better the slow mo should be. I read somewhere that 1000 is a good number... But a lot of this is trial and error... I wish I had time to trial and error myself.

Oh, and isn't there rumors that the 5D mk3 will have full hd 60p... Very tempting.

If you're shooting 50p or 60p and plan to further slow the footage using 3rd party software in post, you should still set your shutter to 1/125. There is no need to set it more than that. Apart from being unnecessary, it will light restrict you in production (unless you are basked in sunlight).

The 180-degree shutter rule no longer applies once you enter the realms of 3rd party slow-mo software like Shake or Twixtor, they are processing and stretching the footage by using algorithms to guess/invent/blend missing frames between frames. Shutter is now irrelevant.

And yes, I have tested this many, many, many times.

I long for the day a major camera manufacturer grows a pair of balls like Casio did in 2008 and come out with some decent FPS speeds we can use for slow motion work. AF-101 has 60fps at 1080p which is the best the market can offer at the moment within acceptable price tags.

25P vs 50P

So I have done some tests with my 600D and shooting at 1280x720@50fps 1/100 seems like the better option. Any kind of panning at 25fps needs to be really slow to avoid the choppy look but at 50fps it looks great. 50fps also gives me more options in post so I don't really see a down side to it.

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