Hello,

Haven't posted here in a while, but need some help with an audio situation. First of all I have never had this happen, but broke one of the main videographers rules and didn't wear head phones during the reception. However, on this day I didn't and I'm paying the price. After recording the ceremony with
a wireless mic (senheiser) through a beachtec XML I mistakenly left the XLR plugged into the line in
port on the camera and no audio is present. This means I have no audio for the entire reception. I can
get the music from the DJ on the first dance etc., but there was a one person speech that I need among other things. I tried to see if I could get anything in the video editor (Sony Vegas), but the audio is very faint with a lot of noise. Hopefully, I can find someone at the recept that recorded some or all of the main events. I think pulling audio from the video is impossible at this point. Lessen learned:-( Any help will be greatly appreciated?

Thanks,
td

I feel for you but that won't solve the problem.
To start with-don't worry about the floor until later, first you need to try to get some kind of workable level.
The first thing I would try to do (although I hate using it) is to Normalize the audio. If there is anything there at all that should help to bring it up. Then you need to work the clip or clips with the non-realtime FX-either Amp Modulation or Volume. Try to get the levels up to at least something you can hear. The noise will be maddening. Of course this can also be done in pretty much any audio program, be it Sound Forge, Audition, GoldWave, Audicity or what have you.
Now the fun begins. Trying to get rid of as much of the floor noise (or hum and buzz as I can it) as you can without affecting the voice too much. Actually not at all is the mark you want to hit. For that you can try to use the Graphic EQ or the Track EQ in Vegas. Take little bites, get rid of as much noise as possible before affecting the quality of the voice then stop. Of course a nice noise redction program would help you a out a whole lot. Without hearing it it's impossible to say what exactly will get you close and no promises that any of it is going to work very well but you've got nothing to lose by trying.
Good luck and I guess you learned the lesson of the day. Always wear headphones.

This is no help now with what you have to work with, but in the event this ever happens again, this is where it would be good to have a Zoom or similar just set up by a speaker and always running. This saved us a few weddings back when the speeches started unexpectedly. We now set one up when we get to the reception, and just hit go. The thing will record for hours.

Sorry, I know "should've could've" doesn't really help, but the Zooms are one of my favorite and most helpful tools we have discovered this year, and this is a great reason why.

@ Katie

Thanks. I have done that before and it's definitely a good backup.

td

I feel for you but that won't solve the problem.
To start with-don't worry about the floor until later, first you need to try to get some kind of workable level.
The first thing I would try to do (although I hate using it) is to Normalize the audio. If there is anything there at all that should help to bring it up. Then you need to work the clip or clips with the non-realtime FX-either Amp Modulation or Volume. Try to get the levels up to at least something you can hear. The noise will be maddening. Of course this can also be done in pretty much any audio program, be it Sound Forge, Audition, GoldWave, Audicity or what have you.
Now the fun begins. Trying to get rid of as much of the floor noise (or hum and buzz as I can it) as you can without affecting the voice too much. Actually not at all is the mark you want to hit. For that you can try to use the Graphic EQ or the Track EQ in Vegas. Take little bites, get rid of as much noise as possible before affecting the quality of the voice then stop. Of course a nice noise redction program would help you a out a whole lot. Without hearing it it's impossible to say what exactly will get you close and no promises that any of it is going to work very well but you've got nothing to lose by trying.
Good luck and I guess you learned the lesson of the day. Always wear headphones.

Thanks Don. I tried the normalize method last night and was able to increase the audio a little. Of course there's a lot of noise. I will try Sound Forge and see how much I can salvage.

Not that I have much experience, and I'm not a pro, but I had the same problem with the sound I recorded from a ceremony that occurred outdoors in a park. There as a guest I recorded the ceremony with the camcorder's on-board stereo mic from the second row of seats. Neither the officiant's nor the couple's voices were amplified (I take it that would not be very common). You can guess how crappy the resulting audio was. I was able to pull their voices out of the muck in Audacity using equalization, noise reduction and selective (windowed) hard limiting (the latter to remove a few random clicks and pops). FWIW in my case I found that I needed 10db of noise reduction. Fortunately, there is only one brief moment where I hear hollowness (flanging) in the voice as a result. I could reduce the amount of noise reduction for that one moment, but I would briefly elevate the noise floor as well so I'm not sure it's worth it.

(PS. The only problem I have now is the much louder sound of the photographer's shutter! I am going to try isolating one of those instances that occur alone, inverting its phase and mixing copies back into the track at each precise location the sound occurs. I don't mean to hijack the thread but has anyone else tried this?)

This happened to a buddy of mine, no audio on the Bride & Groom speech. This is not the best option but if after exhausting all efforts to extract the audio fails be up front with the Bride & Groom, just tell them. Ask them to check if any of the guest recorded the speeches, etc. My buddy was lucky, one guest was able to record the Bride & Groom speech, he was able to use the footage.

Good luck.

Can't suggest anything that other people haven't but for me - I steer clear of radio mics and wire up the speakers with Olympus digital recorders and also place a few boundary mics into Olympus recorders on the top table - can't have enough audio backup!

I steer clear of radio mics and wire up the speakers with Olympus digital recorders ...

I do this too. I just started this practice this year, and it's paid off immensely. I usually run a mic -- either a lav or a shotgun, depending on the DJ's setup -- into my Olympus and record the reception from beginning to end. Sure, I have a 5-hour clip to deal with during editing, but it's a small price to pay for crisp audio.

The only problem is that it's another piece of equipment, and thus another thing to have to think about. This past weekend, I put my Olympus on top of one of the speakers, and dangled a lav down in front. I recorded the whole night, then forgot to grab it at the end. On my way back the next morning -- it was a 3-hour drive -- I realized I had forgotten it. I scrambled to get ahold of someone -- I couldn't remember the DJ's name, and I was hoping he had it. After not getting ahold of anyone, and making myself sick the rest of the day, I got a phone call . . . the DJ! He had tracked me down so he could get my address to send me the recorder and mic. What a relief! And what a nice guy, to go to all that effort to contact me!

Corey, we just about left our Zoom this weekend too! it was the LAST thing we grabbed, still plugged into the DJ...so much equipment to remember! I left a brand new monopod on a pedestrian bridge at our second wedding this summer. It was the first time I used it. And the last. But this is off topic...

I'm attaching a snippet of my bad audio in case anyone wants to take a crack at it:-)

Troy, I just listened to your clip. Remember the advice I gave you earlier? Forget it.

After hearing it, IMO, you're screwed. Sorry man, but there is nothing you can do to fix this and achieve any kind of decent sound.

Sadly I have to agree with Don as well...there is just no way you can salvage anything there. Regardless of whether I'm using 3 wireless mic channels on two cameras or boundary mics I STILL have a Rode Videomic running on each camera ALL the time!!!

It may not be the greatest audio in the world but if all else fails at least you have audio on your second channel that is useable (ok, it's going to be a bit echoey but it's still useable audio)

You have to just move on with this one BUT...it might be worth your while to see if anyone was using a camcorder at the reception ..you just might be able to use their audio track..it won't be good but it will be better than what you have!!!

You truly have my sympathies!!! I know the feeling!!!

Chris

Troy,
I would add that this year, I've started to plug a H4n into the DJs board or the band's board. It has ambient mics as well and I run both at the same time. I'm using DSLRs though, so I know my audio is junk. Good luck man.
Bill

Words fail. I'm having an Emily Litella moment here. ("Never mind.")

Thanks for all the input. I will work something out. There was only one person that said anything at the toast (the father) that was about two minutes that I would like to have. Maybe some form of text caption
will work? I can't recall seeing any of the guest video, but with all the smart phones maybe someone recorded the toast. What's funny is that everything else udring the entire event from a video and audio perspective was perfect. This definitely won't happen again. I have another wedding this weekend and
I will have at least five forms (just kidding) of backup audio.

Corey, we just about left our Zoom this weekend too! it was the LAST thing we grabbed, still plugged into the DJ...so much equipment to remember! I left a brand new monopod on a pedestrian bridge at our second wedding this summer. It was the first time I used it. And the last. But this is off topic...

Katie, the Zoom H4N comes in a plastic case. I keep that plastic case in my camera bag and at the end of the reception that empty plastic case reminds me to grab my Zoom from the DJ. If you are talking about the Zoom H1, try and keep a reminder in your camera bag. Even just a checklist might help.

What lav mics are you guys using on the recorders? I've been using just wireless into my AF100, but I'm in need of another source, but I'm unsure which lav to purchase to plug into a recorder.

Troy....my sympathies Dude....been there, done it....... when the priest with the only mic decided to marry the couple from 25 feet away !!!

In fact there was another thread some time back where I got my butt ripped for saying that audio this buried into the noise floor was unsalvagable for all the reasons yours can't be saved. So though it does you no good, at least now I feel vindicated. Thanks for helping me out, even though it was something sucky that happened to you, that did prove what I said.

To whom it may concern, I did download Troy's clip and did try to cleanse it with Audition 5.5, and had no luck.

I know there's not hope for this go-round, but has anyone tried SoundSoap? I think it's from Bias?

Deborah