I will be buying my first prosumer camera around March of 2012 and I need to know which one is a good start.

Originally, the plan was to get a used XH-G1 and pair it with a NanoFlash. However, seeing some productions being not seriously affected by the rolling shutter problem, (including a 3D VFX video I saw recently that had decent tracking despite rolling shutter artifacts) I may also consider the NEX-FS100 or the PMW-EX1 to pair with my NanoFlash.

The benefits of CCDs is that there is no rolling shutter, but I do fear for hot pixels. (considering JVC cameras have numerous hot pixel problems) Though on the other end, the rolling shutter is still a plague when it comes to motion tracking, flash banding and etc.

The TL;DR: Out of these three, which would be a good choice for a first time prosumer camera owner?

I had an XH-A1, now have an EX1R, and had a 1 on 1 demonstration of the FS100 by Doug Jensen. For what it's worth, this is my opinion:

All are fine but get the EX1R not EX1 if you can.

I was frustrated by the low light performance of the A1 and the design of it's audio block. I am estatic about the improvement in low light in the EX1R, the audio block and the ergonomics. For me, it solves numerous frustrations I had with the A1 and adds some features I've wanted but the A1 lacked. You wouldn't know about those types of things until you climbed the prosumer learning curve tho. I also have a 5DM2 and love it so the FS100 is a dream outside my price range for a second camera.

All three will challenge you (in a good way) to learn how to take good video. I would guess that the FS100 will challenge you the most. Remember that the FS100 does not have a zoom. That's done manually using the ring on whatever lens you choose.

You didn't say what type of video you shoot, so it's hard to advise further.

I'm currently not really a cinematic shooter, but more of a documentary/ENG style shooter, but I'm completely open to cinematic shooting later on down the line.

Another camera in consideration is the NX5U. One of my friends uses the NX5U and I've used it too, but I currently prefer non-rolling shutters over rolling shutters.

My current first choice is the XH-G1, followed by the EX1, followed by the NX5, and lastly, if I were to shoot an indie film, I'd consider the FS100.

I would get a used XH-G1 at the moment if there are any available. (and it's the cheapest out of all the options) If I can't find one, I may bite the bullet on a higher priced camera like the NX5, the FS100 or the EX1.

I have the Canon XL H1S paired with the Nanoflash and I have been very happy with the video performance that comes out of that system. It is my main workhorse camera and use it the most of the wide range of broadcast productions that I do.

I also have the FS-100, which is very well suited for digital cinema production and puts out an amazing picture, but needs to be treated like a cinema camera in terms of how you shoot.

For your purposes, I think the G1 w/nanoflash will do great as you may want the type of lens control and flexibility that a smaller chip/large focal range lens camera can do.

I found one used at Adorama for a good price... if you are looking at buying soon. But I'd advise to get the G1S version if you can.

I don't see people selling used G1S models anywhere though. Plus I'm in Canada. Our local camera shop "Leo's Camera Supply" just sold the last G1 they had. And I'm not expected to get one until March 2012. (budget is pretty tight at the moment)

Also, am a little concerned whether the used model I will eventually buy has had the servicing for the hand grip issue. How can I tell?

I had an XH A1 and XL H1 which I sold to get the EX3. Currently I run the EX3 capturing to the SxS cards and NanoFlash simultaneously. I can tell you that the image from the EX1r native will be very noticeably better than the Canon's even paired with the NanoFlash. I compared my Canon + NF to a fellow shooter's EX1 and there was such a striking difference that it prompted me to make the decision to sell two cameras to get one. Not that the XL and XH cameras are slouches, they are very good. It's just that the EX is that much better.

As for rolling shutter it is not that much of a problem. You most likely won't have any issues if you shoot as you conventionally (i.e. avoiding whip pans and crazy moves). If you're shooting a red carpet where the paparazzi is going crazy with flashes you would have a problem, but there are many wedding videographers who use the EX1/r without issues.

The FS100 is another very good camera but definitely requires more work. The NX5U is another very good camera and I would say it is a better overall camera than the XH-G1. You could also pair that with the NF via HDMI and you'd get a very very good picture.

However since you're not going to get the camera until 2012 I wouldn't make a decision now. I'd suggest renting the various cameras or find someone you know who has them and test them. I'd also look into the Canon XF300/305. I haven't gotten to play with one yet but from the test shots I've seen they are very good and have much better low light capabilities than the XH series.

For reference of where I'm coming from I shoot dramatic movies and documentaries and the occasional live event, but most of the money comes from corporate shoots. The EX is ideal for most of the documentary shoots I do and for most of the movies I shoot when I provide equipment the EX3 produces an exceptional picture. Hopefully my next camera will be the F3, but even then I'll keep my EX3 for ENG and documentary work.

That's just my take on it.
-Garrett

Yeah, I guess I can hold off on deciding since I have access to my friend's NX5, It would be better if there was a global shutter CMOS camera announced sometime between now and NAB.

The Global Shutter CMOS may be more viable now thanks to back-illuminated sensors, this may cut the noise down enough to make an affordable global shutter CMOS possible without poor dynamic range and high noise and etc.

This all depends on my budget too. Most likely I will have to buy used to not break the bank.

Hi Jack,

I don't think there will be a global shutter CMOS sensor in the near future. I haven't heard of any. What exactly are you shooting that you feel rolling shutter will be that much of an issue? If you haven't already tried it I would recommend asking your friend if you could use test his NX5u and to some test shots of those situations to see if it exhibits the rolling shutter effect you're trying to avoid. I've shot some pretty extreme types of footage (sports, dances, from a moving car) and not had an issue with rolling shutter.

-Garrett

Handheld matchmoving, like the beginning of this video:

‪Sentry Sabotage (TF2 For Real!)‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piZrjDTx2eg)

Rolling shutter is clearly present on this video and that's what I want to avoid. I think this was shot on a FS100.

Viimagic did come out with a Global Shutter 2/3'' CMOS sensor: http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2011/03/viimagic-presents-1080p240fps-video.html

I will be buying my first prosumer camera around March of 2012

NAB is in mid April, so I would strongly advise you wait for another month, but out of three I'd pick EX1

My budget constraint regardless would be no more than $4000. I'll probably have to pick up a used EX1. I have no choice when it comes to the G1 though, I have to pick that up used.

Thanks for all the input, in the end, I'm choosing to bite the bullet with a EX1R as soon as March comes along. Hopefully prices for new EX1Rs will come down by then.

For what it's worth, perhaps you'd consider a Panasonic HMC150 in that price range. CCD's (no rolling shutter), tapeless, etc., and prices should be low once it's "replaced" by the AC130. The EX1R is a better camera, but might not be as easy to find used in your price range.

For that matter, you might consider the forthcoming AC130 or 160, which are "supposed" to have less rolling shutter skew than the EX series. Not sure what those are costing new once they're released later this year.

Not a fan of AVCHD or pixel shifting. My friend's NX5 still in 30p experiences numerous problems even at 24mbps with rapid changes in brightness. (not flashing) I also really am not keen on the pixel shifting to increase resolution.

Plus, they're still 1/3'' sensors. 1/2'' sensors should serve me better since I shoot a lot of low-light at times.

Another key point is that the majority of places of employment I'm seeking shoot on EX1s. If I'm fluent on a EX1R, the work I may get will hopefully pay for the camera in time.

I'm hoping Sony does intro a new cam so that EX1Rs go down in price. I've also found out I may have a much more delayed purchase date than expected. (more like June 2012)

I'll probably have to pick up a used EX1.

Right choice, you'll never regret it, I absolutely agree what Doug Jensen said about EX3 in another thread:
The EX3 is still the best bang for the buck of any camera in history. Period.
if you OK with the fixed lens and don't need genlock you won't find better camera in the same price range than EX1/R

EX1 is a workhorse. While I also shoot with Canon DSLRs and absolutely love the quality of image it produces. However, when I want a "no drama" camera that delivers excellent quality - I reach for the EX1.

EX1 and EX3 only differ in ergonomics. Quality is identical. Yeah you can change lenses on the EX3, but does anyone actually do it? You'd have to spend $5,000 on another lens. The EX1 is also SO MUCH easier to travel with on airlines. And it's hard enough to travel with any camera.

I wholeheartedly recommend the EX1. So many companies shoot on it, that even if I'm not using it myself, I'm renting it to other people. As far as the rolling shutter - yeah you get it on whip pans, but it doesn't even bother anyone because the screen is blurred anyway. I've shot PLENTY of action sports with it and it looks great. I've shot tons of reality with the EX-3 (more uncomfortable than a proper ENG camera but works nonetheless).

If this is for un-scripted reality/documentary/news style work - you can't go wrong with the EX1. If you plan on doing multi-camera shoots or will work with other people that have EX-3s, get the EX-3. It's a bump up in price, but you can't jam sync with the EX1. If a one-man-band - EX1 all the way.

One other benefit to the EX3 is the interchangeable lenses, which, as others pointed out - lenses are super expensive. HOWEVER, if you get an adaptimax mount for it, you can hook up regular 35mm lenses and get a 5.4x telephoto conversion. So you get yourself a cheap Nikon 300 lens and hook it up to the EX-3 via the adaptimax, it turns it into a 1600mm focal length and now you're shooting a close up of the moon.

for me, one of the greatest advantages of the EX3 over the EX1 is the SUPERB viewfinder... only for this I choose the EX3.... best bang for the money ... period.

Well, the EX3 isn't really suited to my size restrictions so I'm going to have to go with the EX1. I am a one-man band so I'm not really a multi-cam shoot person.

By June of next year, it's pretty certain prices will go down on new EX1Rs, right?

I only saw the XF300 briefly mentioned so I'll put my opinion out there. When i was doing research came across a few side by sides with the ex1r that helped me make my choice. Shooting the same material, the 300 seemed better at capturing detail especially with movement. Since getting the 300, I've cut several projects together with mixture of ex1r and 300. May just be the ex1r operator but I find the 300 a bit cleaner and better color reproduction.

Just my two cents but I absolutely love the 300. Had it not come out when it did I would be an EX1r owner.

1/3'' is the only drawback. I shoot way too much in situations with low light and the bigger sensors certainly aid there. The EX1R out of the box certainly isn't going to look accurate without tweaking the picture profile, and that's what I intend to do once I get it.

I think you'd be rather shocked at how the XF performs in low light. It's virtually identical to the ex1r ... even with the difference in sensor size. Canons done something really right with the 300.

But in any case, you sound sold on the EX and will say you're won't have any regrets. They both have strengths and weaknesses but are very close. I'm curious to see Panny's new hvx250. Might be another serious contender in the top end cameras in this size and price point! No doubt they've been watching what Sony and Canon have been doing!

Anyone expect a "Big" thing to come out of NAB from the major players? 1080p60? Global Shutters? Because that would put my choice of the EX1R in jeopardy.

there are always expectations from upcoming NAB, but global shutter 1080p, if it's coming, will be definitely in different price category than EX1

So no one expects "affordable 1080p60" in the form of new codecs and/or recorders? No new affordable ENG-based 1080p60 headends would be coming soon? (minus the FS100) That would better solidify a EX1R purchase. I'm just not sure to spend on the EX1 if something comes out of the blue that changes everything comes from NAB...

Hello,

Has anybody considered the new Panasonic AG-AC160?

http://www.vidmuze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/s3.hiperdef.com_.files_.2011.04.AG-AC160-800x499.jpg

I'm curious to see Panny's new hvx250. Might be another serious contender in the top end cameras in this size and price point!
It's certainly better than previous Panasonic contenders at this price point, but (as discussed in another thread) the lens control (iris and focus) is always via servos, never direct linkage as with the EX1 and XF300. That means continuously rotating wheels, no direct scale read out, lag on operation etc.

The lens operation of the XF300/EX1 has raised the bar in this respect, and this must be a negative point against the HVX250.

(Jalan - same comments about lens apply with the 160, which is also only AVC-HD - but which is cheaper.)

To the HPX250 argument: My workflow is primarily MPEG-2 based and not DVCPRO HD or AVC-I based. I've also used a HPX300 and the noise at 6db isn't any better than a single chip Canon.

If no groundbreaking 1080p60 prosumer camera comes out, (I'm not a fan of NXCAM's mediocre bitrate for 1080p60) I may just pull the trigger on a EX1R + Nanoflash combo (Yes, I know about the rebate, but I live in Canada so it doesn't apply)