View Full Version : Green Screen lighting for a house.
Paulo Teixeira June 28th, 2011, 04:38 PM Since it's a house, I'm aware that the lighting solutions wont be that broad. 2 circuits could be available for this. The Green screen material is about 12ft wide, 7.5 ft high and I believe it can stretch to around 8ft on the ground.
The budget could probably be around $400 total more or less. Maybe I can be shown options of lighting that cost a bit under $400 and lighting that cost a bit over $400. In other words perhaps a range of around $200 to $600.
For general every day usage that can get decent results and is easy to set up, is their any recommendations people have in mind? I'm asking for direct links as well.
Basically I need lighting for the screen and as for the lighting for the subjects, perhaps something good with soft-boxes. That would be 4 lights. Also what would be recommended as a hair light for a total of 5 lights?
Robert Turchick June 28th, 2011, 07:13 PM Tons of options, I built the main lights for my green screen which can be seen on my website (4- 220watt kino-bulbed fluorescents) My screen is about the same size, 12x9x9floor
Since you don't describe a floor, two 220 watt fixtures would be plenty for the screen. I use a 256 bulb LED fixture for backlight and for the talent two 36" softboxes fed with 600 watts of CFL. By keeping away from hot lights, the talent and my electric bill are much happier. I chose all daylight bulbs and run minus green filters on the talent lights. I get perfect keys (part of it is the camera XF300) but the lighting is very even and easy to deal with.
Lots of companies are making 220 watt fixtures in the $350-$400 range and for the bigger lights a 440watt fluorescent can be had for not much more. Check Coollights.biz for some options.
Paulo Teixeira June 28th, 2011, 07:35 PM Lighting that's good for the floor is also a huge plus. LED's is something I'm thinking of as well and I'm glad you mentioned it. I'll check out that site and the numbers I quoted is total.
Robert Turchick June 28th, 2011, 07:56 PM Oh! Didn't quite catch your total budget being $400.
I must say I think that's unrealistic for 5 fixtures unless you go really low end and visit Home Depot.
Might want to check stevekaeser.com as they have kits but nothing quite as low as you are hoping to get away with.
Let us all know what you come up with for that budget.
Paulo Teixeira June 28th, 2011, 08:58 PM I fully understand the confusion and I wasn't that clear anyway. I've seen a lot of green screen kits for under $400 but it's very hard to choose between low cost lighting. I do see a lot of people making DIY lighting although I was thinking a little more professional. Still, I'm basically trying to see what's in the low budget bracket but I wouldn't say the budget is set in stone so to speak although making sure the lighting isn't too powerful for the house is. At least the lighting for the main subjects can be used for things other than the green screen.
Paulo Teixeira June 28th, 2011, 10:34 PM That new site does have some interesting stuff.
Pete Cofrancesco June 29th, 2011, 08:34 PM If the setup isn't done proper you won't be able to easily key it. You could start at the bottom and gradually increase your budget until you get something that is workable. Generally speaking its going to cost more money than you listed. Its a specialized skill that is harder than it appears.
Paulo Teixeira July 1st, 2011, 07:10 PM I'm actually well aware that the budget I quoted was very low but it doesn't hurt to research on low budget options. The budget could still be adjusted.
For sure if this was for a studio, things would be different in that case.
Paulo Teixeira July 5th, 2011, 01:08 PM Currently I'm thinking about about getting the 3 light kid for $390 and perhaps the 2 light kit for $210 for a total of 5 lights. Results for Lighting:Cool Fluorescent Kits:EZ Softbox Kits (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-Lighting-cln-Cool-Fluorescent-Kits-cln-EZ-Softbox-Kits/Categories)
Still, I'm wondering if it would be much better to get a 4 florescent bold light such as this as a key light: Cool Flo - 1200 Watt 4 Bank Single Light Kit by TubeTape (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-588/Cool-Flo--dsh--1200/Detail)
And then use a 1 bulb light as a fill light instead of having a key light and a fill light with 1 bulb each.
Paulo Teixeira July 6th, 2011, 04:32 PM I'm all settled now with what I need since everything has been ordered.
Tom Morrow July 10th, 2011, 01:05 AM A tutorial video on cheap CFL lighting that might work for the OP if he hadn't already settled:
Infinite White with Cheap 5 Bulbs CFL Lighting CheesyCam (http://cheesycam.com/infinite-white-with-cheap-5-bulbs-cfl-lighting/)
Paulo Teixeira August 22nd, 2011, 12:29 AM Sorry I haven't updated this right away. I'm currently producing a music video and over 90% will have green work and although the lighting didn't cost a fortune and the green material was extremely cheap, keying a lot of the scenes went well even though the hair light wasn't in the best location because of the short ceiling. The biggest issue I had was trying to key the drums since the cymbals reflect the green.
I know it sounds weird producing a music video in that kind of way but you could say it was also experimenting what you can do without spending a lot.
Shaun Roemich August 22nd, 2011, 02:17 PM A good buddy of mine does the music videos for Canadian Punk Rock Pioneers D.O.A.
This is an example of what he did with the band in his condo/loft with the band in front of a green screen.
The video may not be your "cup of tea" but I've seen the setup and the end result. Hope this helps.
WARNING: VIDEO MAY NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK and/or may offend, depending on your views.
D.O.A. ; Police Brutality - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1qCl0OjNCU)
Hope this helps.
Robert Turchick August 22nd, 2011, 03:16 PM Must be the season for music video! Just started into one. Saturday we had four girls on the greenscreen playing violin and cello. And the main artist did his greenscreen work right after. Yesterday we did the rest of the shooting which was all location work with the artist and an actress. It's a cover of a 60's tune and will be on the psychedelic side for backgrounds. Just now taking a break from finishing the intro which was straight video. Next up the 7 different camera angles we shot of the artist on the greenscreen! Then on to building the orchestra out of the 2o takes we had the girls do. Still amazed at the amount of work a 4:30 music video takes!
Paulo Teixeira August 22nd, 2011, 08:56 PM A good buddy of mine does the music videos for Canadian Punk Rock Pioneers D.O.A.
This is an example of what he did with the band in his condo/loft with the band in front of a green screen.
The video may not be your "cup of tea" but I've seen the setup and the end result. Hope this helps.
WARNING: VIDEO MAY NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK and/or may offend, depending on your views.
D.O.A. ; Police Brutality - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1qCl0OjNCU)
Hope this helps.
I can see the cymbals weren't keyed out perfectly but still looks good. Do you know how he dealt with it?
Shaun Roemich August 23rd, 2011, 03:02 PM Paulo: you can likely post a msg on his YouTube channel. I believe he checks it frequently. Tell him I sent you.
Paulo Teixeira November 20th, 2011, 08:55 PM In case anybody's interested, you can see the music video here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasonic-lumix-gf-gh-series/502582-green-screen-music-video-2-child-musicians.html
James Ratliff November 22nd, 2011, 06:05 AM Currently I'm thinking about about getting the 3 light kid for $390 and perhaps the 2 light kit for $210 for a total of 5 lights. Results for Lighting:Cool Fluorescent Kits:EZ Softbox Kits (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-Lighting-cln-Cool-Fluorescent-Kits-cln-EZ-Softbox-Kits/Categories)
Still, I'm wondering if it would be much better to get a 4 florescent bold light such as this as a key light: Cool Flo - 1200 Watt 4 Bank Single Light Kit by TubeTape (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-588/Cool-Flo--dsh--1200/Detail)
And then use a 1 bulb light as a fill light instead of having a key light and a fill light with 1 bulb each.
Which kit did you use?
How did it perform and would you use something else?
BTW,
The video turned out good!
Bet the kids loved it.
Thanks,
James
Paulo Teixeira November 22nd, 2011, 05:20 PM Cool Flo - 900 Watt EZ Softbox 3 Light Kit w/Boom by TubeTape (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-193/Cool-Flo--dsh--900/Detail)
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Cool Flo - 600 Watt EZ Softbox Dual (2) Light Kit by TubeTape (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-191/Cool-Flo--dsh--600/Detail)
When the parents bought it, it was on one of those days that you get 20% off which ended up making up for the shipping price.
I didn't say all the details in the past but it's basically for the kid to use from now on or any other project I might do with them. Previously he was using construction lights with surprisingly extremely good keys even though the set up wasn't ideal. I was thinking if he's that good working with what he got, how good will he be working with a decent light kit? A bit later in the future, I ended up having raw footage from one of his green screen projects by accident that he did for a school assignment and I said to myself, I should do something with it and see what I can come up with. This got me to touch the Ultra Key feature for the very first time and that's when I realized that since he likes green screen and since I started practicing a few times with green screen footage in Premiere just for fun, I told the family we should make a video with green screen.
Once the lights came in we ended up shooting this video with it just to see how the lights would work.
*CONTEST* Show Us Your Talents! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu_I2-BUYnk&feature=channel_video_title)
Michael is the one who ended up editing this video and he used Final Cut.
I realized later that they were a little bit too close to the screen and the lights could have been in a better spot but at least he did good with the keys regardless.
It wasn't until August that we ended up shooting the music video and this gave me time to practice a little bit more. In the end they did ended up liking the video since I allowed them to perform anyway they wanted. The performance, swimming and trampoline scenes were all shot on the same day. All the S95 scenes were shot by them on other days. The flying scenes was edited by Michael and I then received it by email to put into the video. It's good that he ended up editing something for the video.
The lights were obviously in better spots than the contest video but still not perfect because of the tight space but I'm glad it didn't turn out bad regardless although I do wish I would have done something differently when I lighted up the drum scene or did something that could have not made the cymbals reflect the green and ironically, on that day, Michael actually said that the cymbals might be an issue. Then again, I've seen other people having issues with cymbals with their own projects.
Just for the heck of it, here's a music video that the family put together on their own back in 2009.
Michael & Marisa - The Fear (parody) [Lily Allen Cover] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDsirvo7xgs)
Basically for the scenes that the boy wasn't in, he's the one using the Canon HV30 and for the scenes that he's in, he's directing his mother what to shoot. He was also the one who edited it in iMovie. I was obviously shocked hearing that story when I first met the family.
Since the lighting is mostly going to be used by the kids, I'm not sure if we could have gotten anything else. Their are cheaper lighting that isn't florescent but with all the heat it gives out and the electricity it takes, florescent is better for a house. Also, their are soft-box lights with multiple florescent bulbs but I think 1 bulb is safer when it's being moved by kids in case an accident were to ever occur. Now if people were to look at this video and ask me to do something similar for them, here are lights that I might consider for myself if I can't afford anything better. 5100 Watt Cool Flo - 5 Point Studio Lighting Kit by TubeTape (http://www.tubetape.net/servlet/the-618/5100-Watt-Cool-Flo/Detail)
They just got released.
As for how the lights did. It was decent although it might not be powerful enough for some situations like if the lights were much further away or if you want to close up the Aperture a bit since it puts out an equivalent of around 300 each I believe. This is why I'd get a multi bulb kit. While shooting, I used an ISO of 160 and aperture of 2.8. If I wanted to close the lens even more, I would have had to increase the ISO.
James Ratliff November 23rd, 2011, 05:43 AM Thanks for the tips!
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