Just done two weddings yesterday and today, 60d and hv40, so ok im frustrated today its hard work runnin and gunnin, get there frame, meter bar sort exposure, check no shake, iso check, ready shoot, oh no wheres the groom gone, my lad hv40 you ok dad? sound isnt it, good wedding! no i say whilst running around like a mad man with the 60d....while he points and shoots,,, is it worth it?????
oh wait gets home and wow yes wow the footage oh i forgot about that!!! tremendous but why do i feel its not right looking through the loupe, for some reason i check to many times because it dont look right?? Is it the loupe/magnifyer making me feel this way, aslo it hurts your b.....y eyes?
But when i upload the footage looks great!
Just something puzzling me at times in the church say i moved a touch 10 yards away from where i was, yes do all the checks again but had a feeling the footage looked a little yellowish? the colour was picture style neutral, custom wb, but auto looked better? Tried kelvin and notched it down from 5200 to 3700 but it still looked golden.
Is it me or is the 60d giving a golden colour like daylight mode on other cams. ?? Then again in the midst of it all did i really check out the colour of the church because my son said it did have a yellowy tinge to the church or question is the full hd so good it really did give the proper colour today!! cant fathom it. . steve

Steve, you have got to ask yourself, did I feel this way before I started using DSLRs to shoot weddings. Were you more comfortable using video cams ??

To be honest Colin your right i was very comfy using my camcorders!! so what you are saying if i stick to dslr i have to get used to the new workflow!!! Thats my fourth this year and its bloody hard with dslr mate...

I Know Steve, I tried it. I now use a couple of Panasonic TM900 camcorders alongside my EX1. We all know just how much hard work goes into a wedding, my philosophy has always been, keep it simple and straight forward. I didnt mind using the 550D for infill and cutaways, but as for using one as A cam, definately not. God, the money you can spend in this game!!!!!!

Colin i totally agree, im working harder now the last four with the 60ds than ever, why?? i have great bookins, everything is smooth, and now im using a different workflow to please whom? my dslr craze? Ok so i like the blurred look you know that look every dslr cameraman craves, did i get the chance today to use it, twice!! rack focus, no time, slider no time, glidecam left in the car, hey love hold it a minute while i get my glidecam set up? no chance pheeeeew im knackered? hehe
Dslr not for weddings just for cameramen with loads of time sorry folks? Two days of pure utter no enjoyment, camcorder here i come!!

If you are going back to using camcorders again, check out the Panasonic TM900, awesome little camera, that shoots 1080p. Few clips here from my sons wedding, 3 weeks ago. Go to the Vimeo page for higher quality TM900 Wedding on Vimeo

Yes I also agree. The DSLRs are really trying hard to be camcorders but can never be Using camcorders for video is a pleasure, using DSLRs is a nightmare. I bought a 60D just to use it in supplementary work but I would never use it as my main camera. Maybe the next generation of them might be better. Cheers to my (fun to use) Z5.

stelios

That was good Colin i dont see no difference between that footage and dslr footage!! low light looked good also.... is that the one up from the pana tm/sd 700? last year?
Im just checking past two days footage at moment, i swear i have done loads of matching tests to 60d and hv and its totally bloody different??/ bugger the 60d is all golden??? wb sorted all day so? ah well im restin two days and start editing tuesday, steve

The TM900 is this years upgrade of the TM700, which is also a cracking little camera.
Dont know about your white balance problem, but these things can normally be sorted out in post. It will all seem clearer to you in a couple of days.

Cheers pal night

Anyone chip in as to why my footage looks a little golden on the 60d footage? wb auto golden? wb kelvin 3200 golden? wb custom still golden? is this the cameras colour? or do i have to go really flat and get rid of the glow? outside not a problem matched up with hv40 fine but inside?

Steve.
I am sure you are aware of kelvin values, ie
2700 to 3300 Tungsten light
5600 + Outdoors/natural light.
Is there any chance that you left the wrong setting in for interior/exterior shots.
Sorry, just re read your post, it was the same on preset and custom settings.
The only way you are likely to get a golden glow, is by using an exterior/daylight setting when shooting under artificial lighting.
Got me baffled.

Colin sorry been busy... Checked and re thought, i had auto wb, so changed it as forgot, then went to kelvin and it was 5200 normal so went to 3200 as that looked good to the eye and similar to the screen on the hv40, so did a bit of that then thought 10 mins later this dont look good, so took a picture of my white balance t/shirt custom set it and again turned out goldish.. Been editing today and the minute i turn saturation down in post it matches the hv40 nice with a little brightness down a notch so it must be neutral is still to sharp as picture style, so i think i need to drop saturation down on the cam settings rather than just use standard neutral?? dont get me wrong if it was all 60d footage it would look lovely but i suppose i am matching the hv40 and this opens my eyes wide open that the 60d is far superior colour and footage wise?? what do ya think colin?

Maybe the church has yellow or golden stained glass windows. I have been in different churches, and sometimes the light changes depending on the glass or paneling that the church has up. Not for sure, just a suggestion.

Mmmmm maybe Keith, anyway will have drop saturation in post?? Cheers

Maybe the church has yellow or golden stained glass windows. I have been in different churches, and sometimes the light changes depending on the glass or paneling that the church has up. Not for sure, just a suggestion.
Doubt it Keith. When you shoot a stage show, and have manually set your white balance, there are many times when a face / individual is illuminated by a coloured light. If the light is for instance blue, the subject will be bathed in blue light, the rest of the stage, that is out of the spread of the coloured light will be normal. Never had coloured glass and a change of incoming light in a church alter the overall balance of the scene.

Hi Colin,
I agree at all with you and this is the same doubt I have.I always shoot with the videocamera ana last weekend I tried to use the 60D.
No way,,,,camera is camera...DSLR is DSLR.
You cant' t do with DSLR waht you do in the video camera in the wedding, if you are alone.There are so many things to setting that you risk to loose something,
I decis sunday to use the camera and only sometimes to the party the 60D that I confirm give me Yellow picture as you have,
I'm not happy about that and I am really curiuos to talk and see with sombody that alone, withou any kind of assistant or other cameraman is able to do a wedding starting from the house of the bride...till the end of the day, keeping the right focus,the right exposure,the right lens and distance,the right wb.
Please if there is one, put here the video and tell us how is possible and wich one lens..etc etc

It can be done, and indeed is done, by a lot of people, with a lot of experience and a full understanding of their equipment. I chose not to use DSLRs as A cam, simply because I do not like the inherant problems that come with them. Put simply, I like to be in a comfortable work enviroment, DSLRs, for me, didnt allow that. For others it does, its simply a matter of choice. As I mentioned earlier, I use a DSLR, occasionally for infill and cutaway shots, but would never dream of using it as an A cam. The 3 main reasons for using a DSLR are, shallow DOF, large sensor, for better low light performance, interchangeable lenses. Sure you can get good low light performance from these cams and a fast lens, but have you tried to hold focus in a dimly illuminated room,with a wide open f1.4 lens, it isn't easy, and if your subject is on the move, if you dont nail the focus, you lose the shot. I have used virtually every kind of camera in the last 30 years and the DSLR has its place, I will still use my DSLR, but in a very limited way, compared to my video cameras.

Is exactly what I told.
I use the camera and only for some shooting in the house or during the party, an only for very particular situation I use the DSLR,
But I know that there are people that are cancelled the videocamera use only for the DSLR, and this is the reason because I ask to know who and how they are able to do a completely wedding for that.

As I've said before DSLRs are not the appropriate camera for weddings. I do use them for b-roll for wedding montages but that is because you can select the best clips for that. For a ceremony all the clips need to be perfect and have a large depth of field.

Yes Keith, but as you can read also here many people are very pryde to tell us that they don't use anymore the camera but only the DSLR for the wedding.
This is the reson beacuse I asking as is possible, for all the ostacle you have to avoid the use of videocamera and shooting only with DSLR.
I repeat, u can use the DSLR as a B camera for the nice detail wit a nice DOF if you have 2operators, one with a usual camera and one with the DSLR.But if you are alone is totally impossible for me, so I asked before if there is here one that is able and can show it, please goahead and explain how.

OK Gianni, it is possible, but you must be
A. Experienced
B. Know your equipments strengths and work with them
C. Know when to use any given lens, and change lenses when neccesary
D. Be confident that you can operate the equipment, confidentely, in any situation.

There is no point in asking individuals how they do it, they do it because they can, and they want to. We all work in different ways, there is no right or wrong way, just the way we each do it, to our own, and our clients satisfaction.

Colin I agree, for all....I have experinece, I know what the lens I have can do but....when you change situation,out in ine the room,differemt light,you have to cahnge expo, iso and so on in the evry quick time.You have to put the DSLR in the very stable shoulder,otherwise you will have a little vibration....for all thi reason and for what I saw in Vimeo and around the web sites,I am very curious to know how the people can do it.

You change exposure, iso, white balance etc very quickly, that aspect of DSLR shooting is no different to using a video camera. Use a tripod or monopod for every shot. Practice, practice, practice

I always shoot with two operators and two to three pro-level video cameras. They tend to be higher-end weddings. Out of focus shots (due to depth of field) or poor audio would not be acceptable. The DSLR is really great for making montages though. It is my camera of choice for that type of need. Admittedly I shoot as few weddings as possible.

Yes Keith, but as you can read also here many people are very pryde to tell us that they don't use anymore the camera but only the DSLR for the wedding.
This is the reson beacuse I asking as is possible, for all the ostacle you have to avoid the use of videocamera and shooting only with DSLR.
I repeat, u can use the DSLR as a B camera for the nice detail wit a nice DOF if you have 2operators, one with a usual camera and one with the DSLR.But if you are alone is totally impossible for me, so I asked before if there is here one that is able and can show it, please goahead and explain how.

I dont do weddings but I am debating getting rid of my old camera. Still having reservations though due to some of the differences of dslr.

Very difficult mate, dslr not for gun and run or on the go, you need time and plenty of it, i am getting used to the 60d but in reality not for weddings, should have not really bothered...

Yea your right. I think the size of the church is kind of important too. Of course with bigger churches its not as much of a problem. With smaller churches it is. But yea if the everything else is balanced, it should not be an issue for the most part

Very difficult mate, dslr not for gun and run or on the go, you need time and plenty of it, i am getting used to the 60d but in reality not for weddings, should have not really bothered...

Steve, you've probably "battled it" enough for now, we each have to do what's best for our way of working, the "assistant" resources we have available, and equipment that works for us. It does sound like you need to look at a couple of camcorders that can function the way you need for them to.

(More money...)

The people who use DSLR's well at weddings will tend to be those who have worked with SLRs and DSLRs for quite awhile in the past, and are well "tuned in" to that camera type. Transferring focus reflexes and other operating skills to video came fairly natural.

And there are others without previous SLR experience who can pick up a DSLR (or ANYTHING), quickly get familiar with it and ROLL.

I fall in the former category, but have a couple of decades of "autofocus" use that has somewhat "degraded" some of my former rapid focus skills although I am getting them back.

I would recommend you look into something like the Canon HFS21 (which has an EVF) as something that should work similar to the HV cameras but get you into a "tapeless" workflow and your help should be able to work with those as well as they did the HV's.

Carry one 60D with something like the EF 50mm for those "portrait perspective", lovely selective focus shots (using a compact monopod) and don't try much more than that until you "nail" that look down.

Add one or two other "special" shots the 60D will do better and just keep it simple. Then put the 60D in the case and concentrate on the one or two camcorder operators.

Bruce you are spot on i have just done that.... sold one of the 60ds for now but instead of the sd card based camcorder i got another hv40 bargain price so 2x hv40 and a 60d and guess what, yesterday all brilliant, used the two hvs colours brilliant all matching no messing around, used the 60d for the flycam nano and reception rack focus shots also slider creative, some in the church and some dance so my work flow is now easier..... for sure... the 60d is brill but not for a 14 hour wedding shoot, there are to many issues....dont get me wrong i am now used to the 60d and the footage is great but like you know! you need other people that help around you to be able to use the 60d also on the same wave length as you.i will in the future have all dslr but until im confident all around me can do it the way i want it done then?? so at the moment the footage is good, the colours match brilliant!! with the prices i charge i cannot afford to spend weeks and weeks messing around in post for matching colours.so for now im good, also i tried the hv40 in 25p cinemode all sets +1 and the footage i see know different from the 60d footage as regards to quality, as i have said before the clients want good solid fottage and good story i think they are very unaware of film look and the blurred out background that we all crave in dslr. steve

Workflow normal again bruce, sold 60d got hv40 so 2x hv40 and a 60d for creative...