Hi Guys,

I currently own the Panasonic SDHD700 which I love and picked up for a bargain. I also have a Maplins £150 HD Camcorder and then a Samsungs Digital SLR which is pretty impressive for its price again.

I'm now looking to get a tv broadcast quality camera to shoot music videos/commercials/films on.

I'm not sure wether to go for a SLR or a normal video camera, my budget is £850 and currently I was looking to get this camera- Panasonic HDC-MDH1 the Panasonic HDC-MDH1?? But do you guys know if its any good??

But I'm not sure if to look at a Canon, although many ppl have told me for video the accessories are expensive and they are for photography really not video editing-http://www.camerabox.co.uk/product.asp?ProductName=Canon-EOS-600D-18-135mm-IS-Lens-Kit-&ProductID=19434

Any feedback or suggestions on other cameras, I would prefer something that has that TV look yano and accessories aren't too expensive and with sensors (3MOS, 3CCD) etc etc for the price and obviously am looking for a good MP on the camera say 15MP minimum as the Panasonic SDHD700 which is cheaper is 14.2MP!! ..Let me know though guys..Thanks

For 'DSLR', the older 550D or Panasonic GH2, if you can find a good deal. The disadvantages of the DSLR setup are that you still have to spend more on lens and a rig, etc.

There are no professional camcorders within your budget. Even a used JVC110U/111E goes for $2,500 basic setup.

My advice: rent cameras according to your needs until you have earned enough to buy pro gear.

Hey.

Thanks for the feedback. Well I've been looking around and the MDH1 seems have very bad reviews and I've decided not to go for it but I was just about to say I've looking at the canon 550D and it seems pretty good. I've seen a deal where for £770 you can 2 lenses with it, as im wanting it for music videos and films though do you think its ok for HD Recording? As I mean the test footage I've seen on the internet for it looks fantastic and I also read its 18MP resolution but then when I've spoken to professional videomakers at photography events theyve told me that no one uses canon for broadcast stuff or video as they're mainly photo cameras? Which is what put me of Canon along with like you said the accessorie cost.

I know you can get Sony Z1s for a little bit more than my budget but have heard they are broadcast quality and on eBay if you lookout you can get amazing deals on them so I dont know what the z1 is like, MP and sensor wise or if you'd recommend ut fir what I want to do..but anyfeedback wud help.]

Thank you

Hi,

I've been looking and am unsure between the Panasonic GH2 as I currently own a 14.2 HD Movie Camera with Panasonic and between the Canon 550D, the canon test footage for HD footage seems to look better, but then Panasonic seems to have more features.

I'm also a newbie to lens etc. I've seen a site that is offering 2 lenses and the body for around £770 i think with £30 cashback..then the same site I bought my original cam for are offering it with one lens for £500..can you help me with any good deals on it? And lens advice for what I want to do?

Thanks

the panny is a really nice little camera, and does shoot very nice video...there are a number of small stills-centric cameras that do an equally pleasing job.
The downside that I see with stills cameras/DSLR's and shooting video for commercial use is twofold; ergonomics and support.
Ergonomically, stills cameras are not comfortable to me for shooting any amount of serious video. the form factor doesn't lend itself to handheld work for extended periods of time, nor does the camera itself support extended continuous shooting.
From a support standpoint, the cost of the camera and lens is one element in the equation; to make the camera useful for a full day of shooting, you have to also factor in the cost of a rail/shoulder brace system, follow focus, Matte box and filters, etc. which make that sub $1000 package suddenly a $3-4000 package with compromises to achieve what exists natively with most video camera systems in terms of ergonomics and physical ease of use.
Much has been said about the cinematic quality of shallow DoF and DSLRS...to a point I agree with the potential improvement in the final product that it (shallow DoF) brings to the table.
Where I struggle with that is the fact that to get the stuff recorded, you've spent thousands of dollars adapting the stills camera with add-ons to achieve a system that ergonomically resembles a camcorder...the realist in me says why not just shoot with a camera designed with video as it's primary role in the first place?
Don't get me wrong; I have a couple of VERY capable stills cameras that shoot amazingly good video...but, I have a very nice video camera that does the same thing, and I can shoot comfortably for far longer with it than I can with either my DSLR or my Sony NEX. It seems to me that the reality of trying to shoot a commercial piece with a camera surrounded by a cage to which you've attached a half dozen fiddly bits is not only somewhat counter-intuitive, it's aggravating to manage

as im wanting it for music videos and films though do you think its ok for HD Recording?

You can get very good results with the 550D. But you need good lenses and a rig to shoot video. If you buy just the camera and a couple of lenses, you'll be disappointed. This is why the GH2 is better - you can adapt older lenses on it (which are cheaper), plus it is optimized for video. The 550D also takes older Nikon or Leica glass, but the range is limited. For video, my suggestion is GH2.


I know you can get Sony Z1s for a little bit more than my budget but have heard they are broadcast quality and on eBay if you lookout you can get amazing deals on them so I dont know what the z1 is like, MP and sensor wise or if you'd recommend ut fir what I want to do..but anyfeedback wud help


Don't buy the Z1. It's too dated and it records on HDV (not broadcast quality). A Z1 in good condition might be around $1,500. If you have to go the second hand route get cameras with interchangeable lenses, like the JVC 110U or a Canon.

It's not the camera, but the lighting and set design that gives high quality videos their production values.

Okay Thanks for that information.

So the Panasonic GH2, what is the MP resolution of the camera for HD Recording as its just that the Canon 550D Test footage on Youtube looks better for the same price, if you understand me. But obviously I won't have alot of money to spend on lenses etc. So if you know any good sites with deals for £1000 or under on the camera that would be great. I've also seen the Canon XHA1 available second hand from the USA for around £950. Althought this is out of my budget I could probably strecth to a £1000 or £950, the test footage for the canon looks amazing, but once again I cannot seem to find a spec for the MP (megapixel) recording on this although it claims it had 3CCD sensor. The other thing that has put me off the Canon is it's DV isn't it..

Opinions appreciated..thanks

The Canon XHA1 is definitely better than a 550D/GH2 without good glass or accessories. If you can afford it, go for it. Make sure it's in perfect condition though. Also, see if you can find a good deal for the XHG1. You can output uncompressed HD from it. The G1 will qualify as broadcast. The newer models are A1S and G1S.

The only downside to these cameras is that the widest lens range is 33mm (35mm equivalent). You might have to invest in a wide angle adapter. It can take 35mm adapters.

Forget about MPs. Video cameras don't talk in terms of megapixels. (Full HD is 2 MP). Bottom line is: go for a used pro video camera over a DSLR if you don't have the budget. A DSLR with lens is not ready enough to shoot video. It needs a lot of expensive accessories. Video cameras are ready-to-go.

I advise local pickup after inspecting it yourself. Spend an entire day with the camera before you take your decision. Even after you've made your decision, take a day to think it over. Look for:

1. Working ports. Connect everything to a laptop and make sure they work, especially the firewire port.
2. Fungus free lens - must be as clean as new. If not, and if you are comfortable with the levels of dust/fungus on it, it can be used as a bargaining chip to renegotiate the price down further. A word on fungus - most people shun this like the plague. A little bit doesn't really hurt in practical terms.
3. Working audio ports and controls. Tough to do without good equipment. But these don't work, you've just given away one of the huge advantages of owning a video camera over DSLRs.
4. Working zoom and lens functions.
5. Working LCD and viewfinder. Good color and brightness.
6. Batteries. How many batteries? How many hours of shooting. How many hours of charging? Typically you'd need 12 hours of battery power every day or 3 four-hour batteries. Two is bare minimum.
7. Form-factor - does it feel good in your arms? Can you shoot handheld for an hour without tiring?
8. If buying the A1 - check the tape mechanism. Record and playback functions should work. Tapes are still good!
9. Check the total drum hours (usage) through the menu system.
10. Shoot with gain, nd, etc. See if you like the images. The camera should have a full manual mode.

If you're buying from ebay, make sure you have at least a 7 day return period. All the best.

Sareesh my Indian brother thank you so much. I'm really going to research that now, however do you think the canon rebel t3i would be a good choice for me? I'm not sure you see. Also if i buy the camera second hand and the seller doesnt allow a test shot, should i not buy??

Finally whats a good drum use for a camera?

I cant find either camera for £1300 or less :( csn you?

The only thing the T3i/600D has that is worthwhile is a flip screen, but the price difference over the 550D is too great to justify its expense. If you really need the flip screen (and you do need it if you're shooting video), then a better camera might be the Nikon D5100! It's roughly the same price as the 550D, has a flip screen and is supposedly the same quality HD (as some claim) as the 550D/7D.

My advice is still to find a decent used video camera that shoots full HD (1080). You'll need to double your DSLR budget to bring it anywhere as decent to use as compared to the A1. I had a JVC 111E that I loved, and I sold it last month. I used it for a feature film, a short and a tv show. If you can't find a video camera, then buy the 550D or the GH2.

Camera prices have increased due to the lack of stock caused by the Tsunami. It might take months before things are back to normal. I just bought a 550D last week! But I didn't buy it for video.

Drum hours? The lesser the better. My JVC had a reading of 150 hours. That's like 7 days over a period of 3 years! Hardly ever used the thing. The best place to look would be the camera manual. It tells you how many hours before a full servicing is needed. If the camera you're buying is anywhere near that, don't buy it.

Don't buy if you can't inspect the camera, unless it's from keh, b&h, or adorama. I'm on the other side of the planet, so my knowledge of resources in the UK is next to nothing. Why don't you post a want to buy ad in the classifieds section here?

Thanks brother.

Yeah Im really unsure as I just dont have alot of money and want to make sure I get something good for what I want to use it for. Can I ask does the Canon 550D and Canon 600D or Rebel T3I have autofocus on HD recording? Someone who had a Canon 7D told me I think you cant do manual or auto focus on HD Recording on those cameras? Is that correct?

Im going to have a look at the nikon too and I have looked for the a1 but the test footage on youtube looks disapoointing plus I cant find a decent used a1 camcorder cheap or near my price range.

And yes I may post a advert here thats an idea

Thanks

Autofocus on video is not worth using, and is unreliable for important work. This includes autofocus on DSLRs. You have to use manual focus, but then you'll have to invest in a follow focus mechanism - which is not cheap.

Okay friend. What is your opinion of the Canon XL2? Is it good?

28 Days was shot on it...it is a DV camera but worth its weight in gold. If you're looking at DV, then the DVX100 is another great camera.

Got an Xl2 you can take off my hands

how much are you wanting rodney? As ive currently seen one which is 18 months old, with an additional lens and battery and all accessories+micriophone unit boxed new for £820 on eBay.

Let me know though pal,also if youve got any youtube work youve done on the cam send it my way

Hi mate let me know what yours includes and if you want to contact me my email address is mrsrecords@hotmail.com Thanks

I don't know what camera to recommend, but the idea that HDV is not broadcast quality is absurd.

Many, many national television shows are shot on HDV cameras. These are shows airing in HD.

It might not be what works for you, but don't believe that HDV isn't broadcast quality.

Just to clarify Tom -

I know HDV is good enough for broadcast (I made a movie with it), but -

It is not an accepted acquisition format by BBC, Nat geo, etc. So don't shoot on HDV if you're planning to go that route. In some cases they do make exceptions, but that's for 'extraordinary' content.

You can check their websites for additional info.

Sareesh,

Thanks for the clarification.

Clearly, HDV is broadcast quality.

A few networks may have specs which eliminate HDV as an option.

I'm reminded of all the magazines which said 35mm wasn't good enough, and they insisted on at least 6x6 film format. Twas always thus.

The Canon XHA1 is definitely better than a 550D/GH2 without good glass or accessories. If you can afford it, go for it. Make sure it's in perfect condition though. Also, see if you can find a good deal for the XHG1. You can output uncompressed HD from it. The G1 will qualify as broadcast. The newer models are A1S and G1S...

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Good advice, Sareesh, however, the individual who's looking for advice did specify a budget of £850 for a new camcorder.

Marcus,

While I don't live in the UK, I suspect you might be able to get something like a Panasonic TM900 which has manual focus, manual shutter, and other user-selectable controls that would get you closer to your goal of shooting better-quality video. A quick look at the Amazon UK site shows new TM900's available for £807.00.

The XHA1 that Sareesh suggests as an alternative, while a good choice even used, is going to go for at least $2300 in US or Canadian funds, or about £1400 - almost double your intended budget.

I have a Canon T2i, and while I think it shoots better video than the GH2, the GH2 has continuous autofocus. The T2i doesn't, and it's one feature I wish Canon had incorporated into the T2i/T3i series DSLR's. It does make things a lot easier and would probably permit me to use a DSLR to do event videography. Which would be a good thing for me, since a new camcorder is not affordable for me right now.

I've shot a little video with my T2i, and if lots of care is taken, and if I take my time, I can get really good results. Even so, it's not a very fluid solution for capturing video.

Personally, I'm not willing to drop $3 - 4K to be able to fully leverage my T2i's video capabilities. I'd rather put that kind of money into something like a Panasonic AG-HMC40 or even a HMC-150 or a Canon XA10 (with money left over to buy a good shotgun mic, Sony Vegas Pro editing software and put the rest toward a faster computer.)

If you're sold on the idea of using a DSLR to capture video, then I agree that saving up a little more than your current budget and then getting a GH2 is the way to go. Otherwise, I'd recommend the TM900 as a stop-gap measure and saving up for a dedicated camcorder with more controls and features.

Well for £900 I can get a Canon X1 from the USA, thats what am thinking about doing.

Hi Marcus

I actually used to have a pair of DVC20's which Panny made into the MD-H1 and for some unknown reason they decided in their wisdom to equip it with one tiny 1/4" chip...It would be dismal in low-light!!!

I went the HMC82 route and they are awesome cameras ..dunno what the UK cost is but I imported mine for around AUS$2500 You could also go with the HMC41/42/43...same thing in a smaller package but alas no XLR inputs.

I have always been tempted to go the GH2 route but if you do event video you will struggle!!! You get nice results but it's hard work...the autofocus (if made available on DSLR's) is worse than useless so for a decent result you need to go full manual. For weddings that's just too much work to do in too short a time for me so I stayed with the HMC's!!

Chris

Hi guys,

Well am thinking to get a canon x1 from the USA or from eBay. But are these cameras broadcast quality in your opinion guys? Just no1s actually said that? Are they good cameras? Also do i need to check the drum etc on these for hours?

Also Ive heard of the panasonic tm900 but it doesnt look that different or amazing spec wisew from the panasonic sdhd700 i have now..which by the way has met broadcast quality needs already.

Also HDV in my opinion is junk... I had a Z1 and the video quality was worse than the panasonic sdhd700 i have now.
I mean to say the 'z1' is a broadcast quality camera, the footage i now have on my panasonic hdc-sd700 looks so much better. I heard tho that the z1 is only 14MP..The camera I have now is 14.2 which is why there maybe a difference.

The thing is TV Companies accept SD and HD now, and probabl 10 years ago HDV was the format but I think HD is the new in.

Marcus,

What camera do you mean by "X1"? XH-A1 (HDV) or XL1 (the shoulder-mount DV cam)?

If buying from America, be careful with the frame rates. The camera will be 60i versus the UK's 50i, for example. This may be problematic.

Also, the XH-A1 may be HDV, but that doesn't necessarily make it broadcast quality.

I apologise I'm looking at the Canon XL2, I was told this was the camera that alot of films such as 28 Days and stuff were shot on. And apparently a friend told me it also was used to shoot some other TV Stuff. I'm looking to get it from the US or UK on eBay.
Would I need to look out for drum hours on this? Also what is this about US and UK problems? Just my friend told me you can change it or something (hes a pro video editor).

Let me know, also do you think this is a good camera? Or is just crap? Let me know honestly. Thanks

Sorry guys when I've been yapping on about XA1 or whatever..I actually meant i'm really thinking ive made my mind up on getting the Canon XL2, as although the test footage on the net looks terrible Ive read excellent reviews, the spec seems sensible and although brand new they are £2000, you can get one second hand for around £900-1000.

I just want you guys opinions on if theyll be okay for video and music videos etc.

Hi Marcus,

I have no direct experience, but I do believe the XL-2 to be a great camera, for its time. It is still just about the best of the bunch for DV, from what I can tell.

I would strongly recommend a UK model, you will run into problems with a NTSC, 60i camera instead of a PAL, 50i camera (unless your target is purely web video, or for US-based viewers). A search on DVinfo will reveal this has been talked about several times before.

Yeah,

Well you can grab them UK based for a not too bad price so am hoping I can. Thanks for telling me the problems with the US. Am I correct in assuming DV is not HD? Because I saw someone who did a film with the canon XL2 and it say they had 'upscaled' the video to HD720P?? Would I be able to do this?

Which do you think is better the Sony DSR-PD170 or the Canon XL2? I'm not sure which,..from what ive seen and heard, researched and Youtubed seems the XL2?

My primary function and use for the camera is too shoot short films for TV and also broadcast quality music videos.

The pd170 and XL2 are standard definition cameras (SD), they are not HD (720 or 1080). However, they are very able SD cameras. If I didn't have the budget to go higher, and I HAD to shoot, then I wouldn't hesitate to use the XL2.

If you're looking for HD (and you should), you must not invest in these systems. Up-converting might be possible. However, the time and money that it will take is more than what you would have to pay to own an HD camera. The Canon we talked about earlier is HD, and is a winner.

It took me two years of research to learn about and save for my first camera. Don't fall into the trap of going for the first camera that falls within your budget. Research about and zero in on the camera that you want, and then find a way to afford it.

ok which canon is that you said? does that shoot to broadcast quality>

Canon XHA1....does not shoot BBC-required quality since it is HDV, but it's footage is good enough for music videos and feature films. However, like I mentioned earlier, try to find a used XHG1 instead. It's a better version and this one shoots full broadcast quality.

if we're talking standard definition, why don't you take a look at DSR series 390 for example, or 500 if you need 16:9;
XL 2 is a good camcorder, but it's 1/3", today you can have true professional broadcast quality 2/3" camcorder for just a fraction of what it cost five years ago, and have amazing (DV) picture.

Note if you get any SD NTSC video camera from the USA it will not be UK broadcast quality as it uses a totally different frame and video system!

HDV is generally not accepted to be broadcast quality in the Uk and most of the HDV camera's used by broadcasters in the past were being used in Dvcam SD mode.

Minimum spec and list for the latest BBC HD broadcast cameras can be found here:http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/BBC_Approved_HD_Cameras.pdf

If it ain't on that list that is also used as a benchmark for most broadcast in the UK then it isn't a broadcast quality HD camera and that is of now and it doesn't matter what was used in the past or done in bongo bongo land or by your student mate last year coz he says so in the pub.

You said broadcast quality so by it's definition in the UK that is the list for HD cameras that is most up to date!

As most TV is now heading for full HD by 2012 it would be silly to be buying old SD or HDV camera's as that is not how broadcast quality will be defined in the future.