View Full Version : Looking for a good portable light
Jim Forrest December 20th, 2010, 10:14 AM I need a portable LED light for my EX3. I have found one and now I can't remember where I saw it on the web.
It has to have a diffusion filter. A dimmer would be nice and so would a plug to my Anton Bauer gold mount so I could run it off my camera battery.
I have a cheapo LED light now but it is too spotted and drops off quickly on the sides.
I am looking for somethng that will give a soft light and not too spotted. I have a couple of Anton Bauer porta lights but they are getting old and the bulbs keep slipping out.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Zoran Vincic December 20th, 2010, 11:12 AM do an ebay search with "hdv z96"
I run it of a D-tap from a swit battery and the coverage is great, no spotty tunnel effect.
And it's cheap!
Jim Forrest December 20th, 2010, 12:30 PM Yes I see it...looks pretty good.
Where did you get the d-tap plug, I don't see it listed as an accessory. I suppose I could buy D-tap plug separately.
Olof Ekbergh December 20th, 2010, 12:58 PM I just got my Sola light from my dealer, it was a demo and it is so good I told him I am not returning it and he laughed.
It is fantastic LED, 30w at full power equal to 300w tungsten.
And it is a fresnel, my favorite type of light.
The build is really rugged, and it will make a great on cam or stand light. It comes with a bunch of gels and a D-tap plug.
This is the best most versatile light I have ever seen. Don't take my word for it get a demo.
Chad Johnson December 20th, 2010, 01:41 PM I just got one of these Poteka VL-126 for 59.00 on Amazon. It gives great light, comes with 3 filters, has a dimmer, and can use sony batteries or AA. It's a bit big, and the mount is flimsy, but for tripod jobs this is great. A lot of bang for your buck.
Amazon.com: Opteka VL-126 Ultra High Power 126 LED Digital Camera / Camcorder Video Light: Camera & Photo
Opteka VL-126 Ultra High Power 126 LED Digital Camera / Camcorder Video Light (http://opteka.com/vl90-1.aspx)
Jim Forrest December 20th, 2010, 02:23 PM I just got my Sola light from my dealer, it was a demo and it is so good I told him I am not returning it and he laughed.
It is fantastic LED, 30w at full power equal to 300w tungsten.
And it is a fresnel, my favorite type of light.
The build is really rugged, and it will make a great on cam or stand light. It comes with a bunch of gels and a D-tap plug.
This is the best most versatile light I have ever seen. Don't take my word for it get a demo.
Do you have a link for it? All I seem to be turning up is underwater lights.
Don Bloom December 20th, 2010, 02:31 PM Jim if you want an LED with an AB power tap and one that has some guts to it you might look at the Bescor LED150PT. It's equal to 150watts, has a power tap and is dimmable. I know a couple of guys that use it and really like it. Especially if you're doing news style interviews outside. 150watts can come in real handy for that.
They also have a 70W that you can get a power tap cable for.
Olof Ekbergh December 20th, 2010, 02:50 PM Do you have a link for it? All I seem to be turning up is underwater lights.
Here you go:
Litepanels | Award Winning LED Lighting for Video, Still Photo & Motion Picture Production (http://www.litepanels.com/sola_eng.html)
Les Wilson December 21st, 2010, 07:16 AM Olof, It's about the same price range as the Lowel Blender. Have you used a Blender to compare with the Sola?
Jim Forrest December 21st, 2010, 07:42 AM Thanks for all the input, you have given me some great choices.
Olof Ekbergh December 21st, 2010, 07:54 AM Olof, It's about the same price range as the Lowel Blender. Have you used a Blender to compare with the Sola?
I have not tried the Blender. I am sure it is a fine light.
I like the Sola for its ruggedness and the fact that it is a fresnel (optically focusable).
Steve Kalle December 21st, 2010, 12:43 PM Dedo LEDzilla - LED and Fresnel with Diffusion & Barndoors...
Dedolight Ledzilla Mini LED Daylight Camera Light DLOBML B&H
Here is a good review and link to a video showing it in action with a Canon XF305. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/photon-management/484767-dedolight-ledzilla-led-light-review.html
This review sold me on it as I am ordering it tomorrow and powering it with their D-tap cable.
Olof,
I am so glad I found someone who has the SolaENG 3. How would you compare it to an Arri Fresnel 300w tungsten. I was looking at the Sola for backlights in place of Arri fresnels in order to reduce heat in the studio.
For on-camera, how do you power it and how much run time can you get and with which camera?
Any chance you could put it on the rear shoe of your EX3, snap a picture and post it here for me? I wonder if a shotgun mic would get in the way and make a shadow.
Does it come with Barndoors or are they extra? Does it come with a Diffusion filter?
Zoran Vincic December 21st, 2010, 03:51 PM Yes I see it...looks pretty good.
Where did you get the d-tap plug, I don't see it listed as an accessory. I suppose I could buy D-tap plug separately.
That's how I got it, I think from Hawk Woods.
just made a cable with 2.5mm power connector and I was set to go!
Dana Kupper December 22nd, 2010, 06:12 PM This thread reminds me of a joke the grips loved to say on the features I used to work on:
Cheap, Fast, and Good. Pick any two!
Olof Ekbergh December 22nd, 2010, 08:38 PM Dedo LEDzilla - LED and Fresnel with Diffusion & Barndoors...
Olof,
I am so glad I found someone who has the SolaENG 3. How would you compare it to an Arri Fresnel 300w tungsten. I was looking at the Sola for backlights in place of Arri fresnels in order to reduce heat in the studio.
For on-camera, how do you power it and how much run time can you get and with which camera?
Any chance you could put it on the rear shoe of your EX3, snap a picture and post it here for me? I wonder if a shotgun mic would get in the way and make a shadow.
Does it come with Barndoors or are they extra? Does it come with a Diffusion filter?
Steve, when setting it up on my EX1R or EX3 In use the front shoe otherwise you will get shading if you dont put it on a long arm.
It is equivalent to a 250w fresnel but it is daylight. The exact specs are in the link I gave you.
It draws 30w at max power, so a 90wh battery should give you 2-3 hrs. It works great with my IDX and Swit batteries. You have to do the calculations for other batts, batteries also have max w ratings.
Sola comes with difuser and 3200K filters and barndoors.
I will snap a photo when I get a chance.
Steve Kalle December 22nd, 2010, 09:10 PM I asked my local Abel Cine to ship one in so I can compare the output to an Arri 300w. However, I just added up the cost of an Arri 300 with barndoors, filter frame, bulb, full single scrim and filter pack (incl. diffusion paper & color filters). The total cost for 2 300's & extras is $996. Compare that to the $1100 for 2 SolaENG's and the Sola's look pretty darn good. Too bad I didn't make this comparison yesterday because I just ordered 2 Arri 300's today.
Hmmmmm....I can power the Sola's from Swit batteries....2 of the Sola's and my Dedo LEDzilla would be a great little field kit. I think I might need to change my order.
Olof,
On a side note, do you use Swit or Switronix batteries? I just ordered 2 Swit 88whr batteries and I was wondering how reliable they are compared to IDX. I also ordered the Swit 2 channel charger.
Olof Ekbergh December 22nd, 2010, 09:22 PM My most portable no AC field light kit is 2 8x12 LED panels and the Sola, all runs on IDX V-mount batteries.
And fits with stands in a small bag. Some Tough Rolex and a couple reflectors/scrims and some gels.
All of it less than 20LBS.
Times are a changing...
Garrett Low December 23rd, 2010, 12:11 AM Olof,
that looks like a great little light that could be used on camera or in other situations as an eye light or small accent light. Can I ask how much it cost you?
-Garrett
Olof Ekbergh December 23rd, 2010, 08:02 AM Olof,
that looks like a great little light that could be used on camera or in other situations as an eye light or small accent light. Can I ask how much it cost you?
-Garrett
I payed $499.00 from my local dealer here in NH. AccessAVNH.com. Kevin is a really nice guy and very knowledgeable. He helps me out a lot by loaning me equipment so I can develop rigs for different cameras.
Bob Grant December 24th, 2010, 05:59 AM Seeing as how no one has mentioned it I am very happy with the Comer 1800 on my EX1. Yes it comes with two D-Tap leads (one short, one long) which is great if you use any of the 3rd party batteries which have a D-Tap socket.
Piotr Wozniacki December 24th, 2010, 06:24 AM I second that, Bob!
Jim Forrest December 24th, 2010, 08:39 AM Seeing as how no one has mentioned it I am very happy with the Comer 1800 on my EX1. Yes it comes with two D-Tap leads (one short, one long) which is great if you use any of the 3rd party batteries which have a D-Tap socket.
I think that is what I am going to get. Impressed with their specs and price.
Les Wilson December 24th, 2010, 08:45 AM Doesn't the Comer have the odd 4500K color temperature that throws a little blue wash indoors and a little amber wash outdoors because it matches neither? I recall seeing some indoor wedding reception footage here on DVInfo that looked simply wretched because of it.
Piotr Wozniacki December 24th, 2010, 08:52 AM Yes, it is 4500K - but I have no problem with it. For outdoors it's OK as is; for typical indoors situations it has the amber filter ready (and the light is strong enough for the filter to not cause too much a light loss).
BTW, apart from LAColorShop in the US, you can order the Comer lights from MxM Express.
Greg Clark January 1st, 2011, 11:14 AM (Greenlife-style) on Ebay sells the HDV Z96 but won't give you any support if it is faulty. I want to use it exclusively with AA batteries but you cannot open the battery door unless you force it open. I guess I will have to carry around a pair of pliers on every shoot.
Zoran Vincic January 1st, 2011, 02:26 PM Second z96 that I bought also came with a very tight fitting battery door. I usually run the light of a d-tap from a 14.4v battery but I wanted an option to pop in AA's at any time so I just threaded one small piece of wire tie through the small holes under the tabs in the external battery mount. It's easy to open now, no pliers needed.
It will loosen after a while and be easier to open.
Brett Sherman January 2nd, 2011, 06:41 PM Doesn't the Comer have the odd 4500K color temperature that throws a little blue wash indoors and a little amber wash outdoors because it matches neither? I recall seeing some indoor wedding reception footage here on DVInfo that looked simply wretched because of it.
In situations where I want true daylight. I just slip a piece of 1/4 CTB gel behind the focusing attachment. That get's it pretty close to 6500K. As others have said it has the CTO built in to get it down to 3200K. That being said, these days I'm usually dealing with a mixture of color temperatures from fluorescents and windows. There are very few true tungsten fixtures left anywhere as they have been replaced almost completely with fluorescent bulbs. Those bulbs color temperature can range between 3200K and 5500K depending on the type of bulb, so 4500K is a good happy medium.
Steve Kalle January 12th, 2011, 04:17 PM Olaf,
I just received one of the 2 SolaENG lights and I was wondering if you use AC power. If so, what part do you use? I can't seem to find any AC adapter for it.
Also, what adapter is good for mounting it onto a light stand (normal 5/8")?
Thanks
Olof Ekbergh January 12th, 2011, 06:50 PM Olaf,
I just received one of the 2 SolaENG lights and I was wondering if you use AC power. If so, what part do you use? I can't seem to find any AC adapter for it.
Also, what adapter is good for mounting it onto a light stand (normal 5/8")?
Thanks
Any 12v power supply will work. I have an old NRG with a 4 pin XLR out, I just made an 4 pin to D-tap cable.
But most of the time I just use my IDX plate D-tap out. I actually have one mounted on a light stand cross bar, nice because I can use it real low or directly over head.
Also I have a bunch of light stands with 1/4" -20 threaded ends as well as 5/8' ends. There are lots of clamp systems available. I like the "magic" clamp, clamps to anything ( think that is what it is called).
Steve Kalle January 12th, 2011, 08:55 PM What size batteries do you use and how long do they power a SolaENG?
Andrew Stone January 12th, 2011, 10:28 PM Also I have a bunch of light stands with 1/4" -20 threaded ends as well as 5/8' ends. There are lots of clamp systems available. I like the "magic" clamp, clamps to anything ( think that is what it is called).
Magic clamps are great and have been a staple to many for a while. Manfrotto also has smaller ones called Nanoclamps - less well known but in some applications more useful than Magic clamps. B&H has them and should be available at most local pro photography outfits.
I wish my stands had 1/4" - 20 threaded holes in them. They are difficult to find now.
Olof Ekbergh January 13th, 2011, 08:29 AM What size batteries do you use and how long do they power a SolaENG?
Solas draw 35w at full power (just what I seem to remember). Less at lower power settings. So it is easy to figure how long a batt will last.
I mostly use IDX batts with a 110w/h rating, so at full power I should get about 3 hrs, maybe a little less, be conservative.
A 60wh like the big Sony EX batt or a Swit 62 should give an hour and a half anyway at full power.
The only real way to find out is to try your battery at the power setting you use the light at the setting you want and time it. You get a feeling for it after a while. Also batts these days usually have LED indicators to show power left, they are not all that accurate but you get feel for them too after a while.
Steve Kalle January 13th, 2011, 08:36 PM I just found this AC to D-tap power adapter - this should work, correct?
Frezzolini FPS-50PT Compact Power Supply 95111 B&H Photo Video
FYI, to anyone coming across this thread looking for the SolaENG 3, I compared it next to an Arri 300w fresnel and the Sola outputs roughly 240w. Also, I just noticed that Litepanels now has Lux ratings for the Sola 3 and Sola 6 on their website.
Les Wilson January 14th, 2011, 08:39 AM I just got my Sola light from my dealer...The build is really rugged, and it will make a great on cam or stand light. It comes with a bunch of gels and a D-tap plug.
This is the best most versatile light I have ever seen.
I'm headed into a rugged environment with run and gun inside and outside and so need to change color temp fast. I can't tell for sure how the gels mount. From the brochure, they have a tab as if there's a slot in the light.
Are the gels for indoor color temp stiff enough to go between pocket and camera with little fuss?
Will the gels stay put thru normal movements?
Is the light end of the coiled power cord secure?
Steve Kalle January 14th, 2011, 04:20 PM 1) Are the gels for indoor color temp stiff enough to go between pocket and camera with little fuss?
2) Will the gels stay put thru normal movements?
3) Is the light end of the coiled power cord secure?
1) I haven't used them yet, but they seem rather thin and flimsy.
2) na
3) the power cord is hardwired.
Olof Ekbergh January 14th, 2011, 04:57 PM I'm headed into a rugged environment with run and gun inside and outside and so need to change color temp fast. I can't tell for sure how the gels mount. From the brochure, they have a tab as if there's a slot in the light.
Are the gels for indoor color temp stiff enough to go between pocket and camera with little fuss?
Will the gels stay put thru normal movements?
Is the light end of the coiled power cord secure?
In my opinion, the gels are really like plexiglass squares with handles, quite rugged.
They clip on by bending in the corners snap in, quite rugged.
As Kalle points out the cable is hard wired very rugged.
OK a little T&C but I like this light and it is rugged.
PS. I have no affiliation with Light panels and I don't sell them, this is just my opinion.
You can easily make your own filters for it too. Just tape a gel to a plexiglass piece of plastic frosty or clear cut it to the right shape and it will plop in.
Les Wilson January 14th, 2011, 08:19 PM Is there a slot or holder on the fixture for the gel?
Bob Grant January 15th, 2011, 12:37 AM I'm headed into a rugged environment with run and gun inside and outside and so need to change color temp fast. I can't tell for sure how the gels mount. From the brochure, they have a tab as if there's a slot in the light.
Are the gels for indoor color temp stiff enough to go between pocket and camera with little fuss?
Will the gels stay put thru normal movements?
Is the light end of the coiled power cord secure?
If need seriously rugged and don't mind weight and spending money then the Zylight Z90 is as good as it gets. Push button switching between daylight and tungsten plus you can dial in any CT, down to something that'll match candlelight.
If you want cheap, the Z96 is very cheap, the gels affix via magnets and really stay on well. If you want more light and are willing to spend a bit more the Comer 1800 is pretty flexible and quite rugged and the tugnsten gell cannot get lost.
Yes, the battery compartment is a little stiff to open when new, no you don't need pliers to open it, just grab the rail for the Sony battery and pull after releasing the latch. I've resold around 30 of them down here I bought as a group buy and no one has had a problem. One local even modded his so it'd accept the Sony L series batteries that he had lying around and they work just as well with those. I'm going to order some parts to make up D Tap leads for the Z96.
Les Wilson January 15th, 2011, 04:40 AM If need seriously rugged and don't mind weight and spending money then the Zylight Z90 is as good as it gets. Push button switching between daylight and tungsten plus you can dial in any CT, down to something that'll match candlelight.
I had actually settled on the Lowel Blender light which is about half the price of the Zylight. The Blender also lets you dim and blend to get the CT needed without gels. Except for the geling, The Sola looks nice.
Steve Kalle January 24th, 2011, 09:11 PM Well, after getting my 2nd SolaENG today, I don't know if these are made well. They have a small fan in them, which seems dumb as they are meant for on-camera, and this unit's fan is already bad and making a loud sound. My first unit seems ok but its fan is still noticeable and could never be placed near a microphone.
Olof, what has your experience been?
Bo Skelmose January 25th, 2011, 03:09 AM Never heard of the Solar fan problems before - and my new Solar is on its way - argh....
I was tired of using my Zylight Z90 that works great in daylight but when you fade it down, at 3200k, it suddenly turns green at about 50-75% -
Ed Roo January 25th, 2011, 07:15 AM I just ordered my SOLA ENG 3 yesterday morning.
Wish you would have posted a day earlier Steve. :-)
Steve, have you corresponded with Lite Panels about the problem?
Olof Ekbergh January 25th, 2011, 08:11 AM I must be lucky, I have never heard the fan at all.
I will listen carefully today.
Steve Kalle January 25th, 2011, 11:33 AM Well guys, I bought these to use in place of Arri 300w fresnels; so, if you are as well, you will need many more pieces including a light stand adapter (I'm getting 2 from Dedo) and either more batteries with D tap or a Frezzolini D-tap to AC adapter for $180 each which I also ordered. The other issue is there are only 2 barndoors rather than the standard 4 on the Arri's, which makes controlling light a bit more difficult. Looking back, I don't know if I made the right decision. For those interested, I will make a recording of their fans and a quick comparison of the Sola and Dedo LEDzilla.
Olof Ekbergh January 25th, 2011, 01:27 PM I just listened, and my fan is so quiet I had not noticed it earlier, yes it is there but barley perceptible.
It would not effect a shotgun mic on the camera. Possible it could affect the built-ins but my zoom motors are way louder on my EXcams. If yours are noisier I would contact LitePanels.
Bo Skelmose January 25th, 2011, 02:59 PM Sounds nice - I'll get back with a report, when I get mine !
Alan McInnes January 25th, 2011, 03:08 PM Never heard of the Solar fan problems before - and my new Solar is on its way - argh....
I was tired of using my Zylight Z90 that works great in daylight but when you fade it down, at 3200k, it suddenly turns green at about 50-75% -
I've never experienced the green issue before, probably because I rarely dim my Z-90 that much. I will say however, that the Z90 is a dream to work with in the mixed lighting environment I live with in this school. I often have diffuse daylight and florescent temperatures of 4200 K. I do a white balance on the EX3, read what the EX3 says it sees and then dial in the Z90 to the same temperature. I get beautiful light that illuminates and defines but doesn't "show" and a sparkle in the talent's eyes. I know the Z90 is very expensive when compared to the new crop of LEDs, but it is great as my main camera light.
Steve Kalle January 25th, 2011, 08:32 PM I checked my 'good' Sola and the fan isn't as loud as I remembered but it just seems silly to put a fan inside an on-camera light as it will certainly go bad eventually.
Olof Ekbergh January 25th, 2011, 09:40 PM I checked my 'good' Sola and the fan isn't as loud as I remembered but it just seems silly to put a fan inside an on-camera light as it will certainly go bad eventually.
Would you rather cook your circuit board, or have the "auto over temp" cut the light while shooting?
I have lots of electronic equipment with fans, it is extremely rare that the fans fail, if they do have them replaced.
Bo Skelmose January 26th, 2011, 01:58 AM I've never experienced the green issue before, probably because I rarely dim my Z-90 that much.
Shoirtly after I got it - it was sent back for a update that should resolve the difference in colour temprature when dimming. As I remember, I was satisfied with it afterwards. But now it is unusable in indoor light unless I make a white balance in the dimmed light.
We have tried the Litepanel LED with variable colourtemp. - It was meant to work as light for sportkommentators in different stadiums with different light temprature. Our conclusion was that the lamp was not following the same mix of the treee coulours, when dimming - as when puting 1/4 and 1/2 CRT on a daylight lamp or blue on a tungsten lamp. It was useless for us.
Maybe Z90 works better when not using the fix indoor colour buttom on the back and just turn down colourtemp manually...
I will try that.
Bo
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