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Serge Satkar
September 28th, 2010, 10:01 AM
Wedding concept film teaser we've shot and presented this spring

29 (wedding concept film teaser ) on Vimeo

Jordan Brindle
September 28th, 2010, 10:03 AM
I'm lost! What's it have to do with a wedding? :(

Serge Satkar
September 28th, 2010, 10:40 AM
Sorry to dissapoint you Jordan :(

I don't like to copy.. even myself.. Things are different why we often flatten them to someones template, narrow vision? For this case groom is hockey player.. And the story flows around the game..

Sorry again, I hope you'll enjoy romantic part that lays behind this teaser.

Jordan Brindle
September 28th, 2010, 03:31 PM
Sorry to dissapoint you Jordan :(

I don't like to copy.. even myself.. Things are different why we often flatten them to someones template, narrow vision? For this case groom is hockey player.. And the story flows around the game..

Sorry again, I hope you'll enjoy romantic part that lays behind this teaser.

I see it now! Sorry i didn't mean any offence the first time, i just don't think it was made very clear! There is a brief 2-3 second clip of the bride, with a number 20 key chain (the hockey player). If you hadn't have told me it was a wedding/romance film concept i would have just shrugged it off as a super-serious hockey game. Extremely well done but i guess it could have been clearer? Maybe not?

Excellent work nonetheless.

Serge Satkar
September 29th, 2010, 05:30 AM
Thank you Jordan for your kind words!
I know it, this made intentionally cause this is not highlights and even not a trailer.. But teaser

Serge Satkar
September 30th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Full-length
29 on Vimeo

Susanto Widjaja
September 30th, 2010, 05:27 PM
I think the beginning of the movie (the teaser) was great but then the middle and end bit were not as powerful. It feels almost like they were two separate films. A bit strange really... I really liked the beginning though... well done on that one..

Serge Satkar
October 1st, 2010, 04:23 AM
Hi Susanto, thanks for your comment!
We all have our own taste, just keep in mind that's not sporting film but prewedding.. With main sports line )
Many guests were touched by second part, that means very much for me, cause they all take in by the heart.. Even men, hockey players, had tears welled in their eyes.. I really didn't expect from them

Can you tell the parts were you felt like disconnected from heroes and story?
Actually this is a bit shortened version from original showed in April and I have much footage not used. Maybe I'll try to "empower" some moments if I'll find it reasonable

Susanto Widjaja
October 1st, 2010, 06:28 AM
hi serge,

Yes you're right, everyone has their own taste :)

That's great to hear that your audience were deeply touched by the film. I just felt that the whole second part was too staged and lovey dovey and suddenly felt very "wedding" while the first part was very cinematic and had the impact of becoming a very emotional romantic drama.

Again, look, I wasn't criticizing, this is purely my honest feedback.There is also a possibility that I cannot relate to the story of a hockey player since I'm not even a good ice skater :)

I truly salute you on the first part though. I still think its very very well done, editing wise, shot wise, sound design wise, score etc.

Santo

Michael Simons
October 1st, 2010, 07:03 AM
I think one of the problems about wedding story telling is that if you don't personally know the couple, you dont' know the story. I'm sure all their friends and family know the groom is the hockey player, so they related to the story right away. I just posted a video and the bride is driving a red Firebird. The bride's mother recently passed away at that was her red Firebird. Not being connected to the bride/groom, one would have never knows that was her moms car.

Serge Satkar
October 1st, 2010, 06:10 PM
santo, thanks once more.

I really appreciate your honest feedback.
Just my 2cents ) cause many things in this work not similar to what you do, or what I saw from other collegues.

..suddenly felt very "wedding"

I don't think second part feel wedding like..
You could notice that all the film made on mix of documentary and feature fragments..
And cinematic almost sinonims to "staged" ))

Also you may feel scenes with background voice a bit long-drawn cause you don't hear original language words, don't feel this energy..

Well, pity you didn't concretize the moments you felt weaker, I'm ready to consider some correcting if your notices will be reasonable.

Serge Satkar
October 1st, 2010, 06:12 PM
I think one of the problems about wedding story telling is that if you don't personally know the couple, you dont' know the story. I'm sure all their friends and family know the groom is the hockey player, so they related to the story right away. I just posted a video and the bride is driving a red Firebird. The bride's mother recently passed away at that was her red Firebird. Not being connected to the bride/groom, one would have never knows that was her moms car.

Partially true.. But this is completely made-up story. And no one could see it or know about it before showing. Even the couple itself.
(certainly couple knew separate scenes, but not the whole)

Dimitris Mantalias
October 2nd, 2010, 05:59 AM
Mind you boys and girls of this great forum, I thought that it was absolutely incredible! It's certainly one of those pre-weddings that looks away from traditional forms of narration, not to mention that technically it is ace and ends as a totally original and fresh achievement. The groom's thoughts sent shivers down my spine, and although I don't know Russian, the subtitles were enough to do it. Well, that's a personal opinion anyway.

Susanto Widjaja
October 2nd, 2010, 07:58 AM
santo, thanks once more.

I really appreciate your honest feedback.
Just my 2cents ) cause many things in this work not similar to what you do, or what I saw from other collegues.

I don't think second part feel wedding like..
You could notice that all the film made on mix of documentary and feature fragments..
And cinematic almost sinonims to "staged" ))

Also you may feel scenes with background voice a bit long-drawn cause you don't hear original language words, don't feel this energy..

Well, pity you didn't concretize the moments you felt weaker, I'm ready to consider some correcting if your notices will be reasonable.

hey serge,

Yes, there may be a lot of reasons why am I 'not getting it'

I don't know why and I don't think it matters too much now... I was just giving my honest feedback.

If you want to know the exact moment I felt it to be "wedding like" it was on 6:28 when the guy looks at the girl, the girl looks at the guy, romantic song comes in, and then we see the exact same angle and exact same shot (looks like a repeat shot to me) of the guy looking at her again...

and then it just goes lovey dovey from there.... not much drama anymore... just... wedding.... spending time together.... getting engaged....which is nice, but its just so much different than the first part where it had a lot of drama and made you wanted to see more.

Clearly a lot of people loved it! For example Dimitris here :) so, don't worry too much, maybe its just me.

Serge Satkar
October 3rd, 2010, 06:10 AM
Mind you boys and girls of this great forum, I thought that it was absolutely incredible! It's certainly one of those pre-weddings that looks away from traditional forms of narration, not to mention that technically it is ace and ends as a totally original and fresh achievement. The groom's thoughts sent shivers down my spine, and although I don't know Russian, the subtitles were enough to do it. Well, that's a personal opinion anyway.

Thank you Dimitris, I feel that new Greek school of wedding filming is raising.. With its own style and vision of every event.. Appreciate.

Serge Satkar
October 3rd, 2010, 06:11 AM
so, don't worry too much, maybe its just me.
You know santa.. )
I never worry.. I'm just going my way not looking on fake and even on my real authorities too much..
Everyone has their own way and other ways will lead to loosing one's identity, which cases I see step by step..
Works becomes like cloning something similar.. But Every couple has its own personality and best way to present them.

My big thanks for you being particular about moments that you felt disconnected.. In fact the meeting moment is one of Principle..
Their looks weren't empty if you could notice this.. And we worked on that scene much time.. Many takes..

Some of my thoughts I had in conversations out here.. I think it may be interesting to see things from wider angle.. And maybe help to clarify my vision a little..

This is shortened version for internet, bride and groom think it could be longer ))
Thats true thing -- people want more details. Not fragmented pieces of mind, like twitter phrazes, but some solid flow..
In fact I don't like hurrying, don't like scratchy, torn feeling from some of modern collegues works..
It feels like you were split on pieces yourself when you see such a work..
So I tried to be myself deciding about pace and way of storytelling
also
My opinion -- the best cinematography is when you don't notice it..
It should involve you into screening, not entertain collegues by some cool modern tricky features )
Hardest part in cinematography is not showing sports.. or sliding, gliding etc. Hardest to show the language of speaking eyes...

Susanto Widjaja
October 3rd, 2010, 08:53 AM
cool! all the best mate :)

Serge Satkar
October 3rd, 2010, 10:36 AM
Nothing cool, nothing personal, just clear simple thoughts :)
Good luck, have a good season and hope you don't take me wrong, my arguing as opposing you.
I just put in words my point of view just as you put yours.

Pete James
November 30th, 2010, 07:50 AM
Superb Serge,

An amazing record of the personalities of this couple, loved the words they spoke for eachother, and I liked the cinematic start and then gentle transition into the love story, steadicam on ice!! yikes you brave man!! Overall an achievement to be proud of well done sir.

Best
Pete

John De Rienzo
November 30th, 2010, 01:19 PM
Very nice Serge. Totally get the concept and the fact that you were thinking outside the box! Good Job.:)

Man Yip
December 19th, 2010, 07:17 AM
amazon cutting, angle and story. Wish there were some shoots of the score board.

Serge Satkar
December 20th, 2010, 02:50 PM
Superb Serge,
An amazing record of the personalities of this couple, loved the words they spoke for eachother, and I liked the cinematic start and then gentle transition into the love story, steadicam on ice!! yikes you brave man!! Overall an achievement to be proud of well done sir.
Best
Pete
Pete, thank you. I remembered skating and playing hockey from school times -- one of the best times ever.. Won't you believe I was forced to finish skating ) if not I would skate couple of hours more

Serge Satkar
December 20th, 2010, 02:57 PM
Very nice Serge. Totally get the concept and the fact that you were thinking outside the box! Good Job.:)
Good notice, John. I tried to see things from the eye of the sportsman and than looking from other side -- more romantic.. And many hockey fans were surprised for some scenes.. But they wasn't just invented we worked on script together with couple. Overall I must say that it is a good practice for getting directing skills. Think with pro actors should feel easier. "Hard when learning, easy when fighting" )

Serge Satkar
December 20th, 2010, 03:00 PM
amazon cutting, angle and story. Wish there were some shoots of the score board.
Actually there is.. for a moment. When Ilya being thinking about sports constant outfight -- around 3.07.
It's a good score for hockey 6:1 ) I had to leave behind the scene quite a number of details, to have cleaner story. Thank you, Man Yip