He also felt that Canon must have bribed someone at the BBC to get a thumbs up from them since a 1/3 inch sensor couldn't produce the color info Canon was claiming.



pretty strong words

the tension keeps building to see how these lil' ones really perform

I spent a LOT of time looking and handling the XA10, the XF100 and 105 on the Canon stand (and another) at BVE yesterday. Man it was busy at Earls Court!

Thanks Andy for this hands on ergonomic report. A great cam has to feel like an extension of your consciousness, and it sounds like the baby XFs hit that sweet spot. Are we looking at the next DVX100? Did Canon deliberately setup such a similarity between the two names!

I talked to some people who handled the XF105 prototype and they indicated there was some problem with the audio on last shot playback from within recording mode. Not sure if that changed in the production run.

yes I had read this one.
looks promising from one of the few chaps out there who actually has used it and not just read about it

I was able to handle to XF105 at BVE earlier in the week. It is a lovely little camera. Much nicer than the tiny but overpriced XA10. The guy on the Canon stand said that 40 had arrived in the UK on Monday. They currently have 15 in stock at CVP Canon XF105 (XF-105) Professional Camcorder - MPEG-2 50Mbps, 4:2:2 codec with Infrared mode and 3D Shooting Assist functions and studio connectivity (http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/canon_xf105) They had 16 but I just bought one & it will be with me tomorrow morning. The price is £2,799 + VAT (sales tax) so a tax inclusive price of £3,358.80. We already have an XF305 so the XF105 is the perfect little companion.

I was able to handle to XF105 at BVE earlier in the week. It is a lovely little camera. Much nicer than the tiny but overpriced XA10. The guy on the Canon stand said that 40 had arrived in the UK on Monday. They currently have 15 in stock at CVP Canon XF105 (XF-105) Professional Camcorder - MPEG-2 50Mbps, 4:2:2 codec with Infrared mode and 3D Shooting Assist functions and studio connectivity (http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/canon_xf105) They had 16 but I just bought one & it will be with me tomorrow morning. The price is £2,799 + VAT (sales tax) so a tax inclusive price of £3,358.80. We already have an XF305 so the XF105 is the perfect little companion.

finally someone will own it and tell real opinions : )
can't wait for your review!!!!

I am very interested to hear some first hand experience of the XF100.

Still finding my XF300 a bit too big to be practical for my needs (travel outside UK) and am still wondering about a downgrade to the XF100.

Thanks Andy for letting us in on your inspiring dates with the XF100/105. You posed the question: “…does anyone know, can you review the last clip whilst still in camera mode or not?”

I think you can, at least in normal recording mode. It’s described in the manual (NTSC) on page 87.

Link to the NTSC XF100/105 manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100 (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/camcorders/hd_video_cameras/xf100#BrochuresAndManuals)

Long overdue.
I’m expecting my baby Monday or Tuesday.

Our 1st XF100 just arrived (sorry, already taken by one of our fellow posters) and expect some 105s tommorow.....

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

I know it's very early days but if anyone who gets an XF100/05 and also has an XF300 can you make some comments on how much they differ quality wise. I know it's going to be a bit but if it's only a tiny bit then I might well downgrade to an XF100 for the portability.

Our 1st XF100 just arrived (sorry, already taken by one of our fellow posters) and expect some 105s tommorow.....

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Yes! Yes! Yes! It is going to a member of our team. I get my turn on Wed. If anyone wants any particular tests I would be happy, work permitting, to to do them.

BTW: Working with Jim Martin and FilmTools was great, a smaller house that caters to working cinematographers.

Thanks Andy for letting us in on your inspiring dates with the XF100/105. You posed the question: “…does anyone know, can you review the last clip whilst still in camera mode or not?”

I think you can, at least in normal recording mode. It’s described in the manual (NTSC) on page 87.

Link to the NTSC XF100/105 manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100 (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/camcorders/hd_video_cameras/xf100#BrochuresAndManuals)

Long overdue.
I’m expecting my baby Monday or Tuesday.

flemming-

thank you for providing a link to the needed info.

i see in the manual pg87 that the last clip is accessible. terrific.

does anyone know if when accessing the clip there is also audio from that clip?

i believe there was a similar issue raised when the xf305/300 was released and-i could be wrong-but the last clip did not come with audio.

as i said, i could be wrong but i do remember the issue being raised.

i look forward to anybody who can confirm that that last clip can be reviewed AND reviewed with audio.

thanks in advance to all who care to share.

be well

rob

Thanks Andy for letting us in on your inspiring dates with the XF100/105. You posed the question: “…does anyone know, can you review the last clip whilst still in camera mode or not?”

I think you can, at least in normal recording mode. It’s described in the manual (NTSC)
Link to the NTSC XF100/105 manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100 (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/camcorders/hd_video_cameras/xf100#BrochuresAndManuals)

Long overdue.
I’m expecting my baby Monday or Tuesday.

Just curious about the reference to ntsc; isn't the xf100 multi-standard (50/60)?

No, unfortunately that takes a service center upgrade.

You’re right Rob, there is also no audio on XF300/305, when reviewing last clip in Camera mode.

From page 87 in the XF100/105 NTSC manual:

“When the camcorder is in [CAMERA] mode, you can review the last clip that was recorded…………….
After you finish recording, press the [<] button.
The last clip that was recorded is played back without audio for the selected duration.”

To playback clips with audio, you have to switch operating mode from Camera to Media (Page 110)

PDF manuals are extremely quick. (click find)

The PAL manual is not on the canon website yet

Link to XF100/105 NTSC manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100 (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/camcorders/hd_video_cameras/xf100#BrochuresAndManuals)

Just curious about the reference to ntsc; isn't the xf100 multi-standard (50/60)?
Neither is the XF300/05.

You’re right Rob, there is also no audio on XF300/305, when reviewing last clip in Camera mode.

From page 87 in the XF100/105 NTSC manual:

“When the camcorder is in [CAMERA] mode, you can review the last clip that was recorded…………….
After you finish recording, press the [<] button.
The last clip that was recorded is played back without audio for the selected duration.”

To playback clips with audio, you have to switch operating mode from Camera to Media (Page 110)

PDF manuals are extremely quick. (click find)

The PAL manual is not on the canon website yet

Link to XF100/105 NTSC manual:
Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF100 (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/camcorders/hd_video_cameras/xf100#BrochuresAndManuals)

flemming-

thanks for the info.

i'm not sure why the good folks at canon would not include audio in the "clip review".

there are times i truly believe that engineers & salespeople develop these cameras and not working film-makers.

ymmv

be well

rob

XF105 ungraded. A commercial piece about light systems, but the indoor shots of the light are at 24db and also show lens flare resistance.

Reportage Sarlam à Annecy on Vimeo

Our team's XF100 is supposed to arrive today. Hopefully, I will get my hands on it soon and post some test shots. Anxious to test the audio preamps also, heard they are better than most.

Our team's XF100 is supposed to arrive today. Hopefully, I will get my hands on it soon and post some test shots. Anxious to test the audio preamps also, heard they are better than most.
My XF100 shipped today from Adorama. I'm really getting tired of reading the manual!

I have to say this camera is looking to be quite the tool for $3000. The comparison to the DVX-100 might be true for the HD era. The size is really welcomed for a lower priced camera as the EX-1/XF-300 size is just too big & heavy to handhold for a long time.

The infrared feature in the Canon line is really smart. Canon seems to on a roll with this line.

as the EX-1/XF-300 size is just too big & heavy to handhold for a long time.

.

couldn't agree more as a EX1r owner....
no matter what, still too heavy, although splendid image and on a class if its own for low light

The cameras are being released to NE dealers from OHIO as we speak. My dealer, Al-Art Video, expects to see them on Tuesday. Limited supply...no 105's released as of yet.

Got my XF100 this morning.
Charged the battery.
The menu is super logical.
Made test shots.
Imported from CF card directly into Edius.
She is an absolute beauty.

We got our XF100 so resisting the desire to ditch real work and play with it. I suspect it is no accident that it was called the XF100 to indicate that will become as iconic as the DVX100 was.

How is the low light perfomance and how does it handle gain? is it clean at +9db?

XF105 ungraded. A commercial piece about light systems, but the indoor shots of the light are at 24db and also show lens flare resistance.

Reportage Sarlam à Annecy on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/19127107)

Our team's XF100 is supposed to arrive today. Hopefully, I will get my hands on it soon and post some test shots. Anxious to test the audio preamps also, heard they are better than most.

Run that indoor gain setting buy me again?

How is the low light perfomance and how does it handle gain? is it clean at +9db?

I’m new to camcorders.
But I’ve set the Automatic Gain Control Limit to +6 dB.
That looks natural, above 6 makes noise in the picture.
But what do I know, there is hardly no light in my house.
I think the low light performance is excelent.

Hong Kong at night filmed with Canon XF100

HK 17-21/03/2011 (http://www.fbh.dk/china/starferry_eng.html)

My plan was to upload videos on my trip, but I'm now in China and Vimeo is ”no go” from inside china.

That's impressive low light performance. Thanks for posting. You might want to get the administrator to move this to a newer thread on the XF100/105.

Hong Kong at night filmed with Canon XF100

HK 17-21/03/2011 (http://www.fbh.dk/china/starferry_eng.html)

My plan was to upload videos on my trip, but I'm now in China and Vimeo is ”no go” from inside china.

flemming-

thanks for the post.

care to share your settings?

+6db? +9db? +12db?

and that last shot!

oh, u film-maker on the go.

outstanding.

be well

rob
smalltalk productions

Hi Rob

Thanks.

All shots except the last:

Shutter speed: 1/25 sec.
F Number: 1.8 - 2.8 depending on focal lenght
Auto focus
Gain: +9 dB
Auto white balance

Just made a 24 hour timelapse of Shanghai skyline.
Breathtaking. XF100 is a Darling.
Will upload when I reach Japan.