Quyen,
The link doesnt seem to work, is the file still uploading?

Wayne.

Try again, it's done uploading.

Quyen

at surplus there was a better lens dia 52mm and achromat for 5$ each.
they even getnow 68 and 78mm dia achromat (for pana DVX100 and hdv sony)

Yes Quyen, I am loving the new thread on vibrating mechanism. Keep it up, I am looking forward to the new design.
Which way do you have your surplusshed macro facing?
1. (| Camera
2. |) Camera

Giroud Francois

"at surplus there was a better lens dia 52mm and achromat for 5$ each.
they even getnow 68 and 78mm dia achromat (for pana DVX100 and hdv sony)"

Giroud Francois, do you have a link for this? I couldn't find the one you were looking at specifically...

I love watching test footage, is that weird? A few questions though:

Were some of the shots done without the motor on? There is some static dirt on the GG for a few shots. Also it is a bit difficult to tell about sharpness since the video seems to have weird persistent interlacing artifacts and seems a bit soft. What camera did you use? Any chance of getting high res stills from the dv camera or from a still camera of the images through the adapter? It would be great to see how sharp the image is at high resolutions to see if the system is alright for HD.

I forgot to clean it before shooting this morning. There were some spots there. I will try to capture still image, just don't have the memory for still. The camera I used was vx2000. I don't know why the video is interlacing.

I use Camera [) then surplsshed (]GG Lens.

Quyen

I am not sure which post you are responding too Quyen, mine or Noah?

Mandy,

Just edited my post.

Noah.

I will find the way to take high res still pictures

Quyen

I wish I could take back my macro lens - Tiffen's that have such colour abberation and separation that it is unusable! I hope your macro lens is better than mine!

http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/sharpness.JPG

The above picture was captured using handheld digital camera. Because of light reflection, the rest of the image was bad, I can only crop out about 1/4 the size of the focusing screen which is about 1/16 of the image size of digital camera's image. I think the focus is sharp, don't you think? Thanks.

Quyen

at surplussched you need to look in category ACHROMAT not into LENSES.

Did some test today and it shows my adapter lose about 1 stop of light using Canon FD f1.4. That means the adapter itself will lose about half stop of light.

Quyen

Where do the syringes come into play?

I will try to build one and take pictures with instruction today. The syringe parts was hidden in the new version, did not show in the pictures.

Quyen

Quyen,

Instructions would be great, love to check it out against the one I am building!

Below are pictures with instructions. I assume you downloaded the emachineshop.com software and view the 3 custom parts that I posted ealier.

http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/001.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/002.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/003.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/004.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/005.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/006.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/007.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/008.JPG
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/009.JPG

Please ask question if it's not clear for you, thanks

Quyen

Quyen,
Excellent work my friend. I think I speak for everyone when I say I really appreciate your hard work and time to share you design with these detailed instructions.

Perhaps we should all get together and source out online suppliers for the parts needed? Im in the UK and found suppliers of syringes and pager motors on ebay.

This is really coming along, keep it up.

Wayne.

Quyen,

WOW. Excellent tutorial. You are very resourceful.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Making the guide is harder than making the adapter :)
There are a lot of parts out there thought to be better to use but I have reached the limit of my expense. I have spent well over $1000 for this project already. My intention is to make affordable commercial units. I have an challenge on this forum of making this product for $150 when I introduced my cup35 design, well, with better design and all the good stuff that add on to the unit, I think this unit worth more than $200, don't you think? I know that there are some of you enjoy making the adapter so much and you won't buy the adapter at any price, but there are still a lot of people don't want to get a hand on it but to get the professional looking video. Here is my offer, for the limitted of time, I will make this adapter for only $200. With all the measurements, calculations, I can only make 1 unit in 1-2 days. Macro lens/ condensers will be included in this adapter. I designed this one base on my vx2000 with 58mm filter size. If you want to use bigger or smaller filter size, you have to get the step up or step down ring yourself. I am working on an 72mm version now and will post it when it's ready. Thanks.

Quyen

Quyen,

Those machined parts are awesome - do you manufacture rubber and plastic as your business from your home? Having the ability to do that is great!

Darnit, I can't find those grommet and syringes anywhere - Walmart has syringes, but they are not the right kind and Home Depot and the $1 store didn't have any - any ideas?

I am using a small toy motor that seems to give me pretty good results, but Quyen is right, you need the rubber to get proper vibrations. Also the aluminum case is a great idea because of the heaviness to stop the vibrations.

The grommets, I bought at the local surplus store. The syringe parts, I got from my dad. Find some diabetic friend and ask them to save you some. I believe you know some people with diabetic.

I built my hobby plastic injection and all my molds at home here. I also have FD mount XL1 adapters, EF mount XL1 adapters, AI mount XL1 adapters and FD mount adapter for Canon L1 L2. All of them made right here at my shop. If I have to order those parts, I can noway to offer the $200 price for this adapter. I hope you enjoy my pictures and guide, thanks

Quyen

Quyen,

So for $200, you'll sell me a box that I can screw onto the front of a GL2, attach a 35mm lens to the front and start shooting? How would you like me to pay?

Paypal me quyentle@hotmail.com, thanks.

Quyen

Now is it the rubber syringe part or the rubber grommets that allow movement? if the grommets are necessary for allowing more movement, would it be possible to use something less rigid than the syringe part to allow for more movement and then not have to use the grommets?

I just was thinking the adapter would be easier to make if it used the lowest possible power and size motor (maybe 1.5V for fewer cells?) and did not require grommets which seem possibly difficult to get since i imagine the rest of it could be made with a drill a small saw and some pvc/wood for those of us without injection molding plastic capabilities.

Also, I kind of liked the bead design in that the beads were quite short, an adapter with less depth might allow for interchangeable lens mounts (which i think could be very useful). Maybe even use a larger GG with interchangable mounts so people have the option of using larger format lenses for tons of shallow DOF. Your design has the lens mount built in, right?

Also, I imagine for those of us that have camcorders with removable lenses (canon XLs, homemade HD, etc) it would be easy to use extensions to increase the macro abilities of a lens rather than using macro +10s or +5s that have a lot of chromatic abberations and such. (maybe thats a topic for another thread)

I think your guide is really awesome, probably the first and only oscillating design I've ever seen with really good and simple directions that are freely available. I know its a lot of work to document such a process so everyone can have access to it and understand it, so I really appreciated the work youve done.

Injection molding? Sounds cool, where can I buy a device like that? Are they expensive kits?

Hi Mandy,

Hobby Plastic injection alone is not enough without the mold. I have built several of those so far, not really hard at all. I think this thread is for 35mm Adapter, email me and we can discuss more about it, thanks.

Quyen

Hi Noah,

There would be movements on both the base (front part) and the GG plane. Just thinking of a table, when the legs are loose, it will move, when the legs are tight, it won't move at all even if it didn't attach to the floor. Same as this design. Both planes need to allow some movements for the GG plane to move freely and don't send back to the camera that much vibration. There is another option to use some flexible thing to replace the white parts of the syringe and grommets. I just don't have luck finding this part. In one of my post have the link to buy those grommets. I never try to order from them yet. I have enough grommets to build 5 units. If I have more order than that, I will think of order more.

The custom made parts, can be done by cutting fence board using miter saw. Drill holes using hole saws ... If you want your unit looks professional, then buy from me. There is a mount built in. I am using FD mount for the one I took pictures. I have 2 mounts available Canon FD and Nikon and can make other mounts if demand is high.

If people here support me by buying my products, then I will have chance to design the supporting rods and have them affordable as the adapter is. I learned from people here and this time is to do good thing for them, thanks.

Quyen

I sent you a private message through dvinfo.net Quyen, but you can email me at mandyyjobs 'AT' yahoo 'D-O-T' com .

I did some scoping out Grommet and syrings today - found the grommets, but not the syringes...

you should sell it as a kit for 98$.
you will sell a lot more when cheaper and you do not bother to build them up.
additionally a lot of people will come with nasty question about diameter of lens or camera or type of lens mount and so on...so it can become very tricky.

5$ for motor
5$ for 3 inches of aluminuim profile
5$ for 4 syringes
5$ for microscope glass
5$ for the plastic rings
20 $ for your injected front and rear parts
5$ for misc. parts
====
45$

you still get 50 for rewarding your work.

Leo,

You have to remember that my design is small and fit in the 2.5" square so those small syringe could be right. The size of the syringe is .5cc or 50 units. Hope this helps, thanks.

Giroud

Yes, I did offer the kit for $100 includes all of the Condensers for the first 5 customers. This is very cheap because the custom parts take a lot of time to make. The XL adapter take about the same time to make 1 custom part sold for $124.99 on ebay. There will be 4 to 5 custom parts, not just 3. Thank you for your suggestion.

Quyen

I just say about the kit and price, because http://www.redrockmicro.com/home.html
is selling something that looks very professional, with a nice web site and many features.... for only about 500$, so at 250$ for an adapter made from recycled syringe you could get some hard time to make the difference while under 120$, you would get no competition. Or get higher and give the 35mm lens with the device (you can probably get some cheap asian or russian lens in big quantities for cheap)
Especially with emachine, the price of parts is dropping very low when ordered in quantity, so you could imagine to have all the parts done by them in aluminium.
And forget about square things in video , it is a world where everything is cylindrical. You can probably replace the square profile with a round tube.

Giroud

The essential of this design is lightweight. Aluminum parts won't work as good as plastic. There are more to the design but I don't show it yet. my design has dust proof. My unit will be the most compact and has professional look with all condensers in place, just attached and use it. It's light enough to mount on camera and use without the need of supporting rods. Thanks.

Quyen

I think that Quyen you should make two model my friend - a pro and a DIY, just like the m35. That way, you can maybe ship the unfinished model to people for around $99 and the pro finished model with better achromats/macro/condenser for a cool $200.00.
Just my 2 cents, but thanks for the design ideas!

Looks like more people want a kit from this design. The only thing that hard to make is the custom parts. Other than that, they can be boughtonline, at stores and machine shop ... Below is the part list:
1 58mm macro lens
1 http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l3385.html
4 syringe parts
4 grommets
1 46mm-49mm UV filter or glass to dust proof the unit
1 GG from microscope slice some grinding powder.
1 pager motor
1 battery holder with switch
1 2.5" square x 3 inch aluminum tube
4 (or 5) custom parts
4 6-32 screws

Tools needed
Drill Press
size 1/8 or size 30 drill bit for 6-32 screws or different sizes for other screw sizes
size 23 drill bit for mounting syringe's rubber parts
size 15/64 drill bit for mounting grommets
size I drill bit for mounting pager
Soldering iron and lead to solder motor to battery holder
Glue gun with glue
Screw driver

I think that's enough for the list. Will update if the design need to be changed.

Quyen

i think we could find a solution to suppress the syringe legs and the plastic rings at the same time.
You just need to find a tube made of material like jelly.
Silicon rubber (the one you use to seal bathroom equipment) is the closest i can think of. it has a permanent deformation range between 20 and 30% .
You could simply make a mold for a 1/2 inch high tube that would be the interface between the two plates.
if the tube seems to tricky to build, 4 or 3 small blocks could be ok.

the next step will be replacing the motor by a coil around the tube and a magnet.

http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/insert1.ems
enjoy.

Quyen

What about using some strong springs instead of the syringe? That way it would take out alot of the vibrations. What do you think?

Tried that but won't work. Anybody? The main thing here is to keep the focusing screen at the same distance to the lens. I don't think springs can do that unless you have different set up, thanks.

Quyen

I just thought I would put together a pdf of the instructions and pictures for the adapter.

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.php?id=R4SRJXUK8PW03FS8OCVDSVSWK

Also just wondered what kind of magnifier your using to enlarge the image...

Nice work on the adapter...

Craig

The first page of the guide has the info of EF XL adapter, not the DOF adapter, thanks.

Quyen

OK I fixed the PDF... hope this helps...

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.php?id=R4SRJXUK8PW03FS8OCVDSVSWK

Just wondered also what GG are you using.

I've got some 1500 grit GG from thorolabs and might try and vibrate it...



Thanks

Are both links supposed to be the same? I downloaded the first one and it incorrectly describes the adapter as an XL EF adapter but the second, fixed link seems to be a copy of the first only it doesnt work because it has the ellipsis copied as well.

edit: nevermind its fine now

Yes both should be the same..Meaning with a corrected version "non XL EF adapter" I did double check both links and even edited the message just to see if something messed up.. But from my machine both are working fine...

Craig,

The PDF file looks good. I used the old link to download the new one. This PDF file will be better if we add the link to those emachineshop files. I just uploaded the new version of the Front.ems. There will be 4 files:
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/Front.ems
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/back.ems
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/GGPlane.ems
http://www.nuocsong.com/nhatho/adapter/insert1.ems

Thanks.

Quyen

Quyen, you are a scholar and a gentleman! This is definitely above and beyond the indy spirit

Thanks. I do share most of the info but will keep some essential info on the commercial unit that I will be selling. Sorry, it's business. Hope you all can get enough info to make and enjoy the adapter, thanks.

Quyen

Here is the 8-3-05 4:00pm updated pdf... this link should be better.

http://bellaire.homestead.com/files/MediaFiles/Vibrating_GG_DOF_Adaptor_2.pdf

There are 2 more steps to complete the design.

1. Use the 4th custom made part (insert1.ems) and snap the surplusshed condenser in then place the flat surface against the GG. Make sure you space it out a little bit so the GG plane can move freely, then drill and use screws to secure it in place.

2. Use UV filter or clear glass cut to the size of the Front part and use glue to hold it in place so the unit can be dust / dirt free. Buy some kind of mount or take out from the old/broken camera to mount on the other side of the Front part to mount the lens.

Use air hose to blow away any dust inside the aluminum case, GG, Condensers ... and close the case, you now get a light, compact, professional looking yet low cost Depth Of Field adapter. Hope you can enjoy it as much as I do.

I have more than one design. This one is the best and if it's done correctly, it will have circular movement when the pager motor is on. Precision? not quite. This design doesn't require tight spec so it can be done with drill press (that's what I use). The most important thing that you keep the drill size the same as instructed, don't change the drill size the way you think to make it work better, it won't. If you don't have the correct drill size, go and buy one, don't settle for anything other than the best.

Use lightweight material for GG plane. Don't use metal, use some kind of light weight plastic.

For people thinking that you can get something else to replace the syringe parts, I would like to hear from you when you get it working. I wish you luck too. I hope my design will inspire some people of making better / cheaper adapter that people can use without hurting their pocket.

I have been working on this design for months. It's not the luck that I get it to work, no luck here. I have done a lot of research and spend a lot of money in this design. I will get it back eventually. I admire Dan and other for their hard works and sharing the info. Without them, this design can never be done. Thanks.

If making custom made parts is hard for you, I offer to sell 4 custom parts with no drilling for $65 shipped to you, I currently have FD and Nikon mount. If you use different lens' mount, let me know, I will make a mold for it.

Quyen

Quyen

Thank your for sharing the great resource, simply awsome!
You're making me completely into the vibration path!

Question about the vibration motor again
Have you ever done endurance test? Like switching on the adapter (motor vibration on) for an hour or two continuously? Or even 10 hour continuous?

Durability of the Vib Motor is my concern. Some people told me 'no problem' and the others saying 'tricky', so I'm a bit confused.

If this durability issue is cleared, I would definitely give it a try after my editing jog is done.

cheers

Akira

I have done some test but not that long. I think one or two hours a day, the motor can last for years. We suggest using 1.25v rechargable battery. We even tried with 3 volt and it runs fine. The motor is made for vibrating purpose and create very little noise, I think it doesn't wear very much. In this case, it carries no load at all except the off set weight. I have heard some people use this kind of motor to make stuffs and they even use gear and shaft. I don't know for sure how long it will last and how stable it is, just try and know. Beside that, my design is really easy to change the motor if it's bad, just 2 screws and it's up and running again. I have use this motor and convinced that it will last. If you are not sure, buy more than 1. 10 of them may cost $30 or less, so it's not a big problem that you have to think so hard.

Please give me some feedback about how this design benefit you or any suggestion to change in the design, it would help the people in this forum further. Thank you for all your opinions.

If this design benefits you, I ask you for a return favor. Tell others about this design so it can benefit them as well. Support me financially by buying my products would be very helpful for the community because I will have more money doing research and at his point you know that I do share. Thank you all very much and I enjoy doing this for you.

Quyen