I don't know if these new Canon cameras are old news or new news, but I just found out about them. Retailers like B&H have them them listed on their website, but have no idea if they are available or they are just taking advanced orders. Also, I wonder if the next camera release after these will be a XL H1 like camera with interchangeable lenses, since it looks like Canon stayed with the 1/3" chips for these XF series cameras. Set aside the price, these cameras seem to have some good specs and features.

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention that a new forum has already been established for these cameras, so feel free to delete this post Chris.

Here's a direct link to our forum on these cameras with lots of info already posted:
Canon XF Series HD Camcorders Forum at DVinfo.net (http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xf-series-hd-camcorders/)

Looks like the first retail customers are getting them in their hands now.