I currently transcode to ProRes and edit in FCP, using Color for grading. Final Cut Studio is long past a major overhaul and unless Apple man up and deliver a full suite of professional post-production applications that actually work I'll be jumping ship to Adobe - the clock's ticking...

Perrone,

This Avid MC4/5 looks to cost around $2500 - do you run this on a PC or a MAC?

Perrone,

This Avid MC4/5 looks to cost around $2500 - do you run this on a PC or a MAC?

I use it on a PC.

after much suffering I find out that my 1920x1080p file gets converted by Cineform with same format but when i pull into Vegas, Vegas changes it behind the scenes to 1920x1080i upper fields first. This might explain some of my screwed up output eh....

after much suffering I find out that my 1920x1080p file gets converted by Cineform with same format but when i pull into Vegas, Vegas changes it behind the scenes to 1920x1080i upper fields first. This might explain some of my screwed up output eh....

That is a problem for sure! I'd open a ticket with Cineform, and post over in the Cineform area. This should certainly not be happening, and I wonder if it's simply being misreported by Vegas. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened with Vegas.

Turns out to be a Vega thing nor Cineform. Vegas sets the file to interlaced upper fields first behinfd the scenes automatically

I now need to find out if Cineform can do the down convert to the AVI for me.

Another question is the 1920x1080 aspect ratio is more 16x9 wide screen format right - seems like all the SD wants to go 740x480 which is more square a/r.

Also can the SD to DVD be progressive. All my DVD Architect project media choices are interlaced??

Set the Vegas project to 23.976p or 29.97p and the Cineform files should be interpreted just fine. I've never seen an Interlace/Progressive problem going from 5D2 -> NeoScene -> Vegas Pro 8 or 9.

"Works fine on my box" is the ol' programmer's cry. I'll come over to your house and work Jon ;-)

I'll see you around 7pm... ;)

I'm wondering about a few things: do you have the project setting set properly, the versions of your apps, and if you are actually seeing problems in your footage.

I haven't looked at recent files, but I seem to remember that Canon's MOVs are set as Progressive, but Odd Line First, which is nonsensical. I thought NeoScene fixed that with its output, but maybe we're using different versions.

I think Ryan either got a little bewildered by all the replies or is no longer interested in editing!!

I am still here, I just had the worse weekend of my life...I had a freak accident happen and lost my 1 1/2yr puppy this weekend. Very sad week. Any who....since I have no experience with Adobe, Avid, Final Cut and so on...I find editing with Pinnacle easy for what we do..

However, I would like to step it up... I just have little resources to learn without some english guy who makes no sense on a dvd that hasn't been updated for over a year.

Thanks in advance...

Sorry you lost the puppy. That's really tough.

Sorry you lost the puppy. That's really tough.

Thank you soo much. It's been really a ruff weekend and on top of it my Gf and I both had weddings this weekend so she had to shoot a wedding the day after it happened...i'm glad she's so strong... But it really was horrible what happened. I pray no one else ever experiences that!

Jon,

I'll bring the beer and salsa and chips...

Using the latest greatest Sony Vegas Studio HD 10. I usually will drag media in the form of a Cineform 1920x1080p avi onto the timeline in Vegas Studio. Vegas Studio immediately converts the media to 1920x1080i avi with Upper field first checked or at least that's what it's reporting. Poor ol Cineform gets blamed for it so Cineform very prominently explains this Vegas behavior on their site. Cineform Tech Blog Blog Archive Progressive AVIs in Sony Vegas Pro (http://techblog.cineform.com/?p=1407)


I'm getting back into the ol' VirtualDub application for the down sizing part such that I have some control over the process. Then at some point I've got to figure out how to get DVD Architect Studio 5 to render the correct files to disc....

Since all of you are using vegas and cineform, (this might not be the right thread i post this)
Have you guys tried dragging the Neoscene Converted files to Vegas, then drag a h.264 (not converted) to the same timeline?
I see that the quality is much different. Neoscene converted files still tend to show a loss of quality.

You can try it, so I think there has to be a way not to go thru Neoscene conversion. That is why im trying cs5, to see if the DVD quality is way better.

Maybe Vegas will have this feature in the future. So I'd suggest you try FCP or CS5 and see the difference.

Thanks for the clarification Bill but I think it doesn't help the topic starter much, his question was if the type of software dictate the quality of the video when handling dslr footage.
if he refers to output quality I think that his 100 dollar pinnacle software can output in practically the same quality as any NLE out there, if his pc is fast enough to handle 2 streams of mpeg4 and if studio 14 allow him to make and deliver his weddings/events without any headache and if that makes him happy then I don't see a reason to upgrade.
if his question would be what NLE will give him the best realtime performance with dslr footage when applying colorcorrection and effects, then studio 14 is not good enough anymore and you need an NLE that like adobe can utilize the hardware in a very good way without transcoding to achieve realtime performance or you need an NLE that uses intermediate codecs that take the compression out of mpeg4 like Canopus, fcp do or with almost any other NLE using cineforms codecs.

I have Vegas 9 Pro but I prefer to use Pinnacle 14 as it edits MOV files right out of the box in full resolution. Vegas makes me go through all types of transcoding hoops, and its output looks no better than Pinnacle's, which is identical to the original files. Whatever extra features other systems have, the speed and ease of Pinnacle outweighs them for me.