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David C Wright June 2nd, 2010, 08:52 AM I use a Panasonic HDX900 and have a client requesting that material be shot 1080p 60. The camera is not capable of doing this but can I record this format easily from the camera using a Nanoflash. Thanks
David
Mark Job June 2nd, 2010, 12:07 PM Hi David:
Nope ! You cannot record 1080 p 60 on a Nano Flash Recorder.
David C Wright June 2nd, 2010, 01:10 PM Apart from a RED, F23 or 9000 is there another solution to recording 1080p60? Thanks
Giroud Francois June 2nd, 2010, 01:30 PM the problem is on what will you distribute that ?
Steve Phillipps June 2nd, 2010, 04:11 PM Add Phantom HD to the list, but there's certainly nothing reasonably priced with decent quality (ie I believe there's a little Sanyo or something, but obviously it'd be domestic quality only).
Steve
David C Wright June 2nd, 2010, 04:13 PM Thanks Steve, should have included the Phantom..... Your are right, the choices are limited.
Mark Job June 2nd, 2010, 04:57 PM Add Phantom HD to the list, but there's certainly nothing reasonably priced with decent quality (ie I believe there's a little Sanyo or something, but obviously it'd be domestic quality only).
Steve...Hi Steve:
Wow ! A consumer camcorder which shoots in 1080 p60 ? What's the particular name of the model of Sanyo ? I'd be interested in checking that out. - Googling right now ! ;-)
EDIT: Here it is ! I found it ! It's called the Sanyo Exacti and it's weird looking ! http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sanyo-Xacti-VPC-HD1010-Camcorder-Review-35660.htm
EDIT2: My apologies ! This Sanyo model only does 1080 60i (Interlaced). I think Steve's link below is the correct models starting with the Sanyo VPC-FH1A.
Steve Phillipps June 2nd, 2010, 05:02 PM I remember someone mentioning it on DVInfo, this is the thread http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/general-hd-720-1080-acquisition/468758-1080-60p.html
Steve
Mark Job June 2nd, 2010, 05:31 PM Hi Friends: Please follow this link to camcorder info's full review of the Sanyo 1080 p 60 camcorder at Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000 Camcorder Review - Sanyo (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sanyo-Xacti-VPC-HD2000-Camcorder-Review-36280.htm)
Bruce Rawlings June 3rd, 2010, 12:15 AM Simon Wyndham has reviewed the Sanyo some time ago.
Henry Olonga June 3rd, 2010, 04:36 AM Get the NTSC of the Panasonic TM700
It's getting good reviews.
Camcorders - HD Camcorders - HDC-TM700 - Specification - UK & Ireland (http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Camcorders/HD+Camcorders/HDC-TM700/Specification/3422367/index.html?trackInfo=true)
Steve Phillipps June 3rd, 2010, 05:32 AM I think we need to remember that the OP was talking about an HDX900, so presumably would be after something top quality, not a domestic camcorder.
Steve
Andrew Stone June 3rd, 2010, 10:18 AM Hi Friends: Please follow this link to camcorder info's full review of the Sanyo 1080 p 60 camcorder at Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000 Camcorder Review - Sanyo (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sanyo-Xacti-VPC-HD2000-Camcorder-Review-36280.htm)
Interesting read. I rarely read reviews on consumer level camcorders so it is interesting to see what is up and coming in this part of the market segment. Gives you a sense of where things are going in the next year or so with features to expect.
Thanks for posting that up Mark.
Paulo Teixeira June 3rd, 2010, 05:18 PM The Sanyo FH1A will sometimes cost as low as $299 and as high as $329 depending the time you get it from Amazon or B&H. It goes up and down constantly while the more expensive version, the HD2000A have not budged much and it's usually $494.68. The biggest differences is that the HD2000A has a mic input and it's of a different shape. The lens is also slightly faster, 1.8 verses 2.0 although the FH1A is slightly wider.
The Panasonic will be a big step up. It has a higher quality 1080 60p mode, significantly better stabilizer and significantly better auto focusing. It also has a traditional focusing ring around the lens as well as a 1080 24p within 60i mode. B&H currently has it for $787.00 which is one of the lowest price that the camcorder was ever sold for and it may get back up again.
Here's some cameras that isn't mentioned here:
ARRI Digital | ARRI Digital (http://www.arridigital.com/)
Gigabit Ethernet CMOS Cameras: SMX-12A2C (http://www.sumix.com/products/cameras/smx-12a2c.html)
Cineraw - Camera (http://www.cineraw.es/paginas/camara.htm)
http://www.grassvalley.com/products/ldk_8000_elite
http://www.grassvalley.com/products/ldk_8300
Their is one camera that's made by Ik__________. I'm trying to remember the correct spelling. Maybe someone can help out? It's been talked about before.
Bill Koehler June 3rd, 2010, 07:33 PM Ikegami
Ikegami/Broadcast (http://www.ikegami.com/product_indexb.html)
Mark Job June 3rd, 2010, 08:00 PM Interesting read. I rarely read reviews on consumer level camcorders so it is interesting to see what is up and coming in this part of the market segment. Gives you a sense of where things are going in the next year or so with features to expect.
Thanks for posting that up Mark....Hi Andrew: You're most welcome :-) There's another brainless, el cheap, plastic lens - point and shoot camera worth pointing out (Although it does not do 1080 60p. I picked up a Kodak Zi8 pocket digital camcorder. This camera is a little over 162$ on line and produces absolutely phenomenal 1080 p 30, 720 p60 and 720 p30 along with SD video and records onto SD/SDHC memory cards and has an external stereo mic jack with full manual level control. This camera has its own editing software built into it and auto installs and updates itself assign as you connect the camera to your PC or MAC ! It's really worth mentioning.
Paulo Teixeira June 3rd, 2010, 11:40 PM Yep, Ikegami is priding itself as being part of the 1080 60p revolution.
Ikegami Press News (http://www.ikegami.com/IKEGAMI_NAB2010_V4.html)
Paulo Teixeira June 5th, 2010, 02:22 AM Here's the other Ik__________
A-cam dII - The camera loves you | A-cam dII | Products | Ikonoskop (http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/)
Steve Phillipps June 5th, 2010, 03:33 AM Does that Ikonoskop even exist yet? Seems we've been waiting for ever for it.
Add SI-2k to the list, that'll do 80fps at 2k I seem to remember.
Steve
Paulo Teixeira June 5th, 2010, 11:06 PM Since they are also releasing a 3D version, I would think that the 2D version should be almost ready to sell.
A-Cam 3D | A-Cam3D | Products | Ikonoskop (http://www.ikonoskop.com/a-cam3d/)
Steve Phillipps June 6th, 2010, 03:14 AM Says July 2010 now, the guys on the forum at their site have been getting irate at the lack of news and the delays. July - I'll believe it when I see it!
Steve
Thane Silliker June 6th, 2010, 10:30 AM The Sanyo does indeed record 1080p 60. But finding a computer to play back the AVCHD files...
Cineform can't convert the files, and no editor I know of can edit 1080p 60.
It's a very good quality camera for a consumer model, though. Alas, it is 35Mbps tops.
Jack Zhang September 9th, 2010, 09:58 AM Sorry for bumping, but Panasonic TM700 1080p60 clips can be edited in Sony Vegas Pro 9 no problem. But, the only thing that could play 1080p60 AVC at full framerate appears to be the Hardware Acceleration chips on the Nvidia Geforce GF100 Fermi cards (GTX 400 series). And even then, the Hardware Accelerator load is nearly 100%.
However, once the Nanoflash can accept 3G-SDI and can get a 1080p60 codec (Might want to try WebM even), then a 1080p60 NanoFlash is a possibility.
Edit:
From the WebM FAQ
VP8 uses 14 bits for width and height, so the maximum resolution is 16384x16384 pixels. VP8 places no constraints on framerate or datarate.
Just replace OGG with PCM and you've got yourself an open-source 1080p60 solution with unlimited bitrate.
Rafael Amador September 9th, 2010, 08:18 PM "However, once the Nanoflash can accept 3G-SDI and can get a 1080p60 codec (Might want to try WebM even), then a 1080p60 NanoFlash is a possibility".
Although it seems that in theory is possible, i haven't see any implementation of MPEG-2 p60/50 at 1920 x 1080.
To get this kind of stuff is one of the reasons MP4 has been developed.
rafael
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