This could be a huge post of the state of where I am but I will spare you all.

Lets say just say unfortunately I need to overhaul all my stuff and workflow. I only do creative projects so the T2i looks awesome as my TRV900 replacement. Editing is what worries me. My longtime editor Ulead Media Studio Pro has gone away so its time. I have evaluated quite a few.

But now, my new concern is editing the MOV format on windows. I, in the past, never had much luck with this format on the windows side of things. So my question is how are people in the windows world editing this output from the T2i or am I confused? Are people using a proxy style editing format or can you edit native?

thanks
Steve

you really have to transcode with any editor.

try sony vegas.

i have an i3 laptop w/4gb. i can playback T2i mov clips fine. if i want to edit, i need to transcode. i use cineform (a $99 add-on), but you can use the mxf format built-in to vegas. keep all the same settings. these are now your master and you can archive the movs.

there's also a way to batch transcode using a script. or you could use handbrake.

Avid Media Composer 4.0.5.5 which I am working on handles this beautifully through DNxHD codec. The only drawback is the long import times. But we expect MC5 to stop this as will do by AMA all the QT formats. Media Composer loves QT files.

Currently I'm using Premiere CS3 and draging the .mov files in without transcoding them. Of course I have 6 gigs of ram and an i7 processor so it's not too bad on render time. Soon I'll be upgrading to CS5 which has complete support for T2i .mov files.

Cineform Neoscene + Sony Vegas Pro 9 works great for me.

I also use Cineform on my P5 (hyperthread) with Vegas Pro 8 ($89.00 right now on Amazon!)

On the dual core, I can run without Cineform and it runs Vegas 9 for AVCHD and the MOV files without hesitation.

* Beef up RAM and get a video card with some memory in it.

Thanks to all for the info.

I have been testing Vegas and thought that was the way to go until this mov thing came up. I sure would like to not transcode. I have a beefy quad core 64 bit vista system so I might be looking at Premiere although I didn't like it years ago.... its all about change I guess!! The Avid seems a little pricey to me as this is mostly a hobby. I haven't bought the camera yet, I might have to grab a few t2i.mov files and see how it will work.

thanks

Pinnacle 14 HD needs no transcoding - drag mov files to timeline and edit.

It is not as full-featured as Vegas, but works like a charm on my i7 PC.I own both. The Ultimate version has lots of plugins, including Magic Bullet.

Pinnacle 14 HD.... that is a surprise.

Michael,

Can you provide a link to that $89 Sony Vegas Pro 8?? Amazon currently has it at $549... Not $89...

I believe Michael was talking about the CineForm Codec which is $ 89 not Vegas.

you really have to transcode with any editor.

Not so!
I'm using Edius 5.5 and edit native T2i .mov's mixed on the timeline with native EXCam footage.
I like this camera more with each shoot. This was edited before Edius 5.5 with it's improved AVCHD handling.
Canon T2i - Edius 5.12 Edit on Vimeo

So this is exactly what I was hoping for. Some editing systems don't need the mov file transcoded. We should try to compile a list of what does and doesn't need transcoding.

Prem Pro CS5 edits the native MP4 files from the camera on mac or PC just fine. NO transcoding required. just import them and hit play. that said, ANY NLE will want serious hardware to work well with h264 encoded shots. I'm running a 8 core 2.8ghz mac pro and it eats right thru the material. my core 2 duo laptop doesn't play so nice.

also don't forget you're going need lots of drive space... no tapes to put on the shelf :(

Prem Pro CS5 edits the native MP4 files from the camera on mac or PC just fine. NO transcoding required. just import them and hit play.

also don't forget you're going need lots of drive space... no tapes to put on the shelf :(

Are you editing the .mp4's? They're tiny and annoying at best. I used to export .mxf, but hated to wait.
I can also open the .xml within Edius, but it's too cumbersome.
The preferred method for Edius is to drag directly from the Sony Clip Browser (drive) window to the Edius Bin.

I love my DroboPro for archive. I can do mini edits from the DroboPro if I'm in a hurry. :~)

Are you editing the .mp4's? They're tiny and annoying at best. I used to export .mxf, but hated to wait.
I can also open the .xml within Edius, but it's too cumbersome.
The preferred method for Edius is to drag directly from the Sony Clip Browser (drive) window to the Edius Bin.


CS5 just reads the native camera files. You don't need the clip browser. The MP4s are the files and the metadata comes in with the media...I don't know why they're annoying if they work... exporting to mxf would be a rewrap, but I don't know why you'd want to transcode...or rewrap for that matter.

I also don't know why QT files would be a problem if you have the codec. I've done some pretty long timelines of ProRes material on a PC in PPro...

Ok...chiming in here with the opposite problem...I think my system is too weak to edit T2i footage. :-(

Here's what I have:

Processor: Pentium 4 @ 3.2ghz
RAM: 2GB DDR2 (yeah, I know---at least 4 is better!)
Video: ATI Radeon X1950 (might be the Pro model?), 256MB DDR3 RAM
OS: Windows XP, SP3 (Yeah, I know—Win7 64-bit is better!)

Using Vegas Pro 8.0c, this system was good enough to edit SD-DV with no problems (though renders were somewhat slow)...but am I screwed for editing 1080p HD? LOL (How about 720p?)

Anyone else using such an old/slow system for editing?

Scott

Ok...chiming in here with the opposite problem...I think my system is too weak to edit T2i footage. :-(
...but am I screwed for editing 1080p HD? LOL (How about 720p?)
Anyone else using such an old/slow system for editing?
Scott
Screwed...
yes :~(
Welcome to the money hole.

I use Vegas 9.e and have been transcoding my T2i files to Neoscene - big files.
In fact I have ignored MXF up to now.
But after reading this thread I made a litle test rendering some T2i files to Sony MXF and noticed that, beside the rendered MXF files are much smaller than the corresponding T2i files (great!), comparing them on the preview monitor, it seems that there was no video quality loss.
Is that possible or I`m making a wrong judgment (on no video quality loss)?
By the way, what is MXF used for?
Thanks
Ron

I believe Michael was talking about the CineForm Codec which is $ 89 not Vegas.

That would make more sense, thanks Steve!