Hi Sorry if this has been on a older thread, but i need to get a little bit more colour from the ex1 the pp I have now is the one that doug Jenson recomends on the vortex dvds but i want it to match my Z7 which as a little bit more saturation, I can match them in post but would like to get it from camera any help would be welcome

Thanks
Ian

There's a sticky right at the top of this section that tells you how to do this. Look for the "real color" or "true color" profile. I have that one loaded but I prefer to shoot much flatter nearly all the time.

Raising the Saturation level in the PP matrix settings will increase the amount of colour.

The camera seems to naturally boost the reds. I tend to decrease saturation, not increase it.

John

A number of people have spent a lot of their time shooting color charts to come up with a color-accurate profile for the EX1/EX3 cameras. That information is located in the sticky above. Once the camera is color balanced, saturation can be set at whatever level desired without introducing a color cast.

Again, I recommend people take advantage of the information that has been gathered and presented on this topic.

A number of people have spent a lot of their time shooting color charts to come up with a color-accurate profile for the EX1/EX3 cameras. That information is located in the sticky above. Once the camera is color balanced, saturation can be set at whatever level desired without introducing a color cast.

Perrone,

Could you point out which one for him maybe? The sticky is now 37 pages long. How will he know which one?

John

Perrone,

Could you point out which one for him maybe? The sticky is now 37 pages long. How will he know which one?

John

He will know which one because I offered the name of the color profile. And sorry, I am busy right now at work. I cannot search through the thread right now.

Real Color Picture Profiles

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/110902-picture-profile-recipes-21.html#post906156

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/110902-picture-profile-recipes-5.html#post814739

John

thankyou all for your help i will check them out
thanks Ian

[QUOTE= The sticky is now 37 pages long. How will he know which one?

John[/QUOTE]

That's right. While the sticky contains crucial information it is entirely useless for being abused by those who have not posted PP-s just added endless discussion, sometimes OT. Who has the time read such an enormous thread?

It would be great to see a sticky containing strictly only PP-s with their description - with no discussion and 2 cents...

That's right. While the sticky contains crucial information it is entirely useless for being abused by those who have not posted PP-s just added endless discussion, sometimes OT. Who has the time read such an enormous thread?

It would be great to see a sticky containing strictly only PP-s with their description - with no discussion and 2 cents...

I've read it. Twice.

Who has the time to read the thread? People who are interested in learning what they can about how to set up these terrific cameras. And many of us were learning and experimenting as we went along and that thread was built.

If you'd like something more succinct, I think we would all welcome someone culling out the pertinent information and starting a new thread with just that.

Let us know when it's ready, ok? ;)

I've read it. Twice.

Who has the time to read the thread? People who are interested in learning what they can about how to set up these terrific cameras.

Good to know that you are not really as busy as you described a few posts back so you even managed to read the PP monster thread twice. In the light of this perhaps you will have the time for an elaborate answer to the original question.
The PP thread is full with useless discussion and debate instead of PP-s, description and practicalities. There are such, too. But you really have to suffer all the unnecessary posts while finding them. I rather go out and shoot.

Good to know that you are not really as busy as you described a few posts back so you even managed to read the PP monster thread twice.


I had more time a while back. The end of fiscal year is rather busy for us so time is limited for me right now.


In the light of this perhaps you will have the time for an elaborate answer to the original question.
The PP thread is full with useless discussion and debate instead of PP-s, description and practicalities. There are such, too. But you really have to suffer all the unnecessary posts while finding them. I rather go out and shoot.

If I were trying to get cameras to match, I'd get a DSC Chart, shoot it with the Z7, set that as target, and then shoot and adjust the EX1 to get it as close as I could on the waveform/vectorscope. This is essentially how the real color picture profile was built (the one listed in that monster thread) and it's proven effective for me when I needed rich, saturated colors, had no intention of grading in post, and was in complete control of all lighting in room.

I rarely find myself in that scenario, so I took that profile, desaturated it and modified it to fit my needs, and it's what I shoot with nearly all the time now.

Those who choose not to grade footage in post really need to work on the profiles to get something pleasing to them. It's not easy, but it is very effective.

To illustrate the problem is not made up by me, I paste here the link of this thread about how others think about the annoying PP monster:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/472237-pp-recipes-sticky-thread.html

Thank God, there were good people who collected most of the PP-s and they are now available.

Terrific. So a dozen people with thoughts of what to do, and yet no one has done it. This could be your shining moment Zsolt!

Zsolt,

In fairness to Perrone , he has spent a lot of time freely helping anyone who asks for it including myself so when he said he was busy I am sure he was and is. That's why I read through the thread and posted the links for the OP even though I don't use those PP myself.

Could the PP thread be more succinct? Yes. Can anyone that feels like taking the responsibility to condense it do so. Again, yes. Am I suggesting that anyone in particular do it? No. At some point someone will I am sure.

John

John,

in a response to this below...



If you'd like something more succinct, I think we would all welcome someone culling out the pertinent information and starting a new thread with just that.

Let us know when it's ready, ok? ;)

... I have posted the thread and referred to two members who took the effort and collected the PP-s. The collections can be found in that thread.

Perrone, I can't see why you had to take this personal - the PP sticky has become huge with a lot of irrelevant posts, even ramblings - therefore useless and impractical.

Perhaps its just a dozen users who have found the new thread with the concentrated information as it is not a sticky, but I am certain that only a dozen (including you) would prefer reading a thread that is close to the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica just to find a few settings.

... I have posted the thread and referred to two members who took the effort and collected the PP-s. The collections can be found in that thread.

Thanks for doing that Zsolt.

I don't see it though. Can you post a link to it?

Thaks,

John

Perrone, I can't see why you had to take this personal - the PP sticky has become huge with a lot of irrelevant posts, even ramblings - therefore useless and impractical.


I didn't take it personally. Not at all. It's just disappointing, and perhaps you can't understand that.

When a person or a group of people take a lot of time and effort to learn something, spend time sharing what they've learned, argue about what they've learned to really flesh it out, it represents a significant investment to them.

When someone comes along with the attitude of "well I don't care about all your work and effort, just give me the fruits of your labor, thanks, goodbye" it can really rub people the wrong way. These forums are about sharing information, and helping others. I enjoy that, as well as a good spirited debate from time to time. But the entire process is cheapened by lazy people who choose to bring nothing to the board, just come here as if it's a free resource for their personal use, do not engage in any of the tools of learning, don't attempt to help anyone else, and have no respect for the hard work of others.

It's a growing trend in the google/wikipedia generation. It's a "we want everything for nothing and we want it now" mentality. Illustrative of the problem, is this thread in question. While some of the posts went off topic, some of them fleshed out important things NEAR the topic that might be cut out if it was "just the numbers". Many people felt that information was important because it gives context. But lazy people aren't interested in context. They just want the numbers. And when they get their "data" without getting the "information" they have poor results and say the camera is crap and badmouth where they got their "data" from.

There is a reason these cameras have so many adjustments. They are all there for a reason. And learning not only what they do, but WHY they do it, is the not the kind of thing you can get from copying numbers in a picture profile.

Does that make sense?

... I have posted the thread and referred to two members who took the effort and collected the PP-s. The collections can be found in that thread.

Thanks for doing that Zsolt.

I don't see it though. Can you post a link to it?

Thaks,

John

Sure, its here again:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/472237-pp-recipes-sticky-thread.html

In the posts there are quite some PP-s quoted and on the 2nd page there is a text file attached with a PP collection.

...... lazy people aren't interested in context. They just want the numbers. And when they get their "data" without getting the "information" they have poor results and say the camera is crap and badmouth where they got their "data" from.

There is a reason these cameras have so many adjustments. They are all there for a reason. And learning not only what they do, but WHY they do it, is the not the kind of thing you can get from copying numbers in a picture profile.

Does that make sense?

Yes, it does. I am lazy, I google and wiki and love to have data to get results yet I don't have any problem with learning. But learning in a school where some kids always interrupt the class, let alone teachers who sometimes are secretive about the stuff they are teaching might not be the best way how to end up in Harvard.

And I would be the biggest fool on earth if I was to admit that I had spent over 6500 bucks for a piece of crap.

Does that make sense?

It sure does. Good post.