No Ozan you still need the hack - the hack is for the Adobe GPUsniffer which has nothing to do with Nvidia or its drivers. The only way we will get official support for more cards is if Adobe updates its software.

If you look you will see that the Nvidia drivers are 'one driver to rule them all' so the same driver that updates the 400 series also updates the 200 series. Thats why that line about CS5 is there - as it applies but only to the 285.

This has already been covered in the thread about the 5.0.2 update, but in case anyone missed it, you'll need to re-apply this hack after you update.

But you don't need to do any of the things that relate to "gpusniffer.exe"... just go to the cuda txt file and edit it to include your card. Simplest way, if for example you have a 480 but the file only specifies the 470 (which it will after the update), is to simply change the "7" in "470" to an "8" and be done with it. Less chance of errors or typos that way. Remember, the file doesn't need to list every card, only the one you have. If you do it this way you can safely ignore any of the instructions above that relate to the gpusniffer file.

And after going through the process after the update, I think I can safely say that the steps involving the NVidia control panel are also completely unnecessary. I did not make any of the changes suggested above and GPU acceleration still works fine. Although I don't suppose it can hurt if you do so.

It appears that all you really have to do is make sure your card in in the txt file.

It could be a little offtopic but Kronos 5 has arrived for AE CS5 and it enables some CUDA features for the retiming and it has the same compatibility list GeForce GTX285, Quadro FX 3800, CX, FX 4800 and FX 5800. I can't find no CUDA txt file to add some more cards :(.

http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/kronos/

It could be a little offtopic but Kronos 5 has arrived for AE CS5 and it enables some CUDA features for the retiming and it has the same compatibility list GeForce GTX285, Quadro FX 3800, CX, FX 4800 and FX 5800. I can't find no CUDA txt file to add some more cards :(.

Actually, Kronos 5 was written before Adobe released the 5.0.2 update. At the time of its development, Adobe Premiere CS5 was still on version 5.0.1. The release notes were dated August 2010 while 5.0.2 came out at the beginning of this month (September).

Curious, should I even bother trying this with my card?

ASUS ENGT240/DI/1GD3/A GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

I'm running Win 7 64bit, i5 860, 12Gb DDR3 RAM, single monitor.

Thanks,
Roy

A GT 240 with 1GB of (G)DDR5 memory would have been better. My testing showed that it performed surprisingly close to a GTX 470 that's in my main rig - only one or two seconds slower when both cards are run on the exact same system at the exact same CPU clock speed. As another site that does Premiere Pro CS5 testing in MPE GPU mode found, that 1GB DDR3 GT 240 would have been about 30 to 50 percent slower than the GDDR5 version of that same card.

I was looking at the gts 250 as its cheap as chips but am wondering, given MPE uses the CUDA cores, is the fact that the 250 only has 128 a limiting factor? Cuda core count goes something like:

9800 GTX: 128

220: 48
240: 96
250: 128
260: 192
275: 240
280: 240
285: 240
295: 480 (240 per GPU as its a dual GPU card so I would assume adobe wont us both)

470: 448
480: 480

No offense to Randy but his system probably isnt the best measure to dismiss the 250, given the weird readings he is getting trying to find his card.

Would be interested if someone could throw some red footage on the time line and see how the different cards handle that with a few effects?

Otherwise it would seem that the 260 is the best bang for the buck as its half the price of the 285 and from all reports handles most anything you throw at it.

EDIT:

Found this link and a few others on google and it appears the 250 with 1gb memory can indeed work very well once you modify the list of cards

Adobe Forums: Unsupported GPU for CS5 (http://forums.adobe.com/message/2802886?tstart=0)

So given the 250 is almost half the price again of the 260 - might be the way to go for now?

Actually, in my testing, the GT 240 GDDR5 and the GTS 250 would have been about equal to one another in MPE performance (with, surprisingly, a slight edge to the GDDR5 GT 240). This is because the timeline rendering portion of the PPBM5 test is sensitive to the graphics memory bandwidth, and that the DDR5 memory with the GT 240 actually has a slightly higher memory bandwidth than the DDR3 memory with the GTS 250 despite the 240's DDR5 memory being only 128-bit versus the 256 bits of the 250's DDR3 memory. (The GTS 250 is clearly the better GPU of the two for gaming, however.)

And since that list was posted, several new Fermi-derived GPUs have arrived. The GTX 465 is a "crippled" version of the GTX 470, with only 352 CUDA cores (versus 448 for the GTX 470) and a 256-bit GDDR5 memory bus (versus 320 bits with the 470). The more recent GTX 460 (336 CUDA cores) comes in two flavors: one with a 192-bit GDDR5 memory bus, the other with a 256-bit GDDR5 memory bus. The 256-bit version of the 460 is available with 1GB or 2GB of VRAM. And two cheaper Fermis, the GTS 450 and the GT 430, have 192 and 96 CUDA cores and 128-bit GDDR5 and 128-bit DDR3 memory, respectively.

Thus, if someone chooses the GT 430, I would not recommend it unless that user is stuck with an older Intel CPU or an AMD CPU. That GPU would have performed roughly equal to that of the DDR3 version of the outgoing GT 240 - and slower than the GDDR5 version of the 240.

about 2-3 months back, when the instructions came out on how to make the gtx480 work in premiere pro CS5 MPE, the nvidia control panel, program settings in manage 3D settings, recognized as premiere pro CS5 as adobe premiere pro CS5.
i had to reinstall CS5 just several hours ago, and now, program settings recognizes adobe premiere pro CS5 as adobe premiere pro CS4.
nvidia drivers used: 260.89, for win7x64
checking on project settings of premiere pro cs5, render engine is MPE.

question: what happened to the former and is there a difference to the latter?

TIA

Don't worry about the NVidia driver saying CS4, it is reallying pointing to CS5.

hi guys,
obviously im doing something really silly...............................
it says "access denied" when i try to save the altered file in notepad.

any ideas?

cheers,
ronán

found the answer deep in this thread,
thanks,
ronan.

moved the file to desktop to enable admin rights.

I know people are going back and forth with this huge thread but I have a question. I am in the market for a new video card. I currently have a GT9800 I saw a GTS-450 fermi for like $120 if I hacked it would that give me good CUDA performance?

Hi,

Sorry if this question has been asked before but I need to get back to editing so I don't have time to read anymore of this thread.
Has anyone compared the Gtx 470 graphics card to the Gtx 285 and the Quatro fx 3800. It looks good in the specs. I read a review that the DDR5 memory makes a big difference over DDR3 memory. The 470 has DDR5 memory and 448 CUDA cores. This seems like this might be the card for me. I wondered if it has the limitation that the GTX 285 has with only able to use CUDA on 3 video tracks?

Thanks,

John Gerard

That limitation has long been lifted. It is no problem with 9 tracks, that I tested on a rather old and mediocre system.

John, I have tested both the 470 and the 285, right now you get the same performance in Premiere CS5.

Also, I wrote a small program to do the unlock or hack automatically. The program takes less than a 1/4 second to run. You can find the program in my article Adobe Premiere CS5 Video Cards with CUDA Acceleration Mercury Playback Unlock Enable Hack Mod Tip (http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm)

Please make sure you read and follow the instructions under the Automatic Methhod and make sure your video card is listed.

If your have already unlocked your card and you don't see your card listed in the list of cards that the program will unlock, please email me at studio1mail@aol.com and let me know the entry you used in the cuda_supported_cards.txt file.

I will be happy to add it to the program. The program by the way, it a batch file so feel free to look at it.

That limitation has long been lifted. It is no problem with 9 tracks, that I tested on a rather old and mediocre system.

Was that implemented in the latest Cs5 software update?

John Gerard

John, I have tested both the 470 and the 285, right now you get the same performance in Premiere CS5.

I believe I read your review on line searching Google for every bit of information I can get my hands on. Very detailed and informative. But the article did state that DDR5 memory was about 40% faster than DDR3 memory in some of the tests. Am I correct in this?

John Gerard

yes you are correct, the DDR5 was around 40% faster than the DDR3 memory.

However, with the 285, it was testing as fast as the 470 with DDR5 memory.

yes you are correct, the DDR5 was around 40% faster than the DDR3 memory.

However, with the 285, it was testing as fast as the 470 with DDR5 memory.

That is roughly as expected since the GTX 285 has a 512-bit memory bus to its DDR3 memory (versus a 320-bit DDR5 memory bus on the GTX 470).

Hi,
After reading a lot of information about this subject. I decided to go with the GTX 470. I talked to the Nvidia quatro tech person over at Nvidia and for my situation he recommended first the quatro fx 4000 over the 3800 if I had the money to burn. He also uses premiere pro CS5. Then he said for a lesser priced card go with the Gtx 480. He new all about editing the INI file to get the card to be recognized. For me I told him I wanted to go with a certified card just to make sure everything is going to work. Then he said the 470 would still work well and I could render most thinks with lots of speed since I told him I am also going to upgrade memory to16GB. The GTX 470 I can get for about $277USD. I would rather spend the extra money on RAM. Right now I have a current project about 1.5 hours in length. I added just to filters. One to increase the brightness and the other to decrease the Saturation. And to remove frame blend for each clip. To render the timeline the computer basically growned to a halt. 100% CPU usage and took about 7-8 hours. I have a dual core xeon 3GHZ CPU 4GB RAM. I got to do better than that. I shouldn't have to render my files any more during editing? I started rendering my time line for the following reason...
I was getting an error where sometimes I would get no audio in some of the clips. This happens sometimes during editing and some time doing export. So I would export a file and find out that part of the AVI file did not have sound. I rendered the timeline and that seemed to fix the problem now I render the timeline before every export. Then just recently I learned that all I have to do is re interpret the problem files. But now I am not sure if I still need to render the timeline before export or not? Not to mention that with these two filters added Premiere is really slow. I usually add filters at the end of my editing just for this reason. For some reason I did not do this this time.
Now I am trying to see which manufacture of card will work the best. Most reliable in CS5. Any suggestions?
The Nvidia guy recommended PNY that he uses. I still have to check that the card will fit in my DELL case.

Thanks,

John Gerard

Hi again,

I have a problem where I am exporting a 1.5-2 hour project using VirualDub/ frame server. PP CS3. I usually get 9-17fps that's about 2-4 hours to export to AVI. This is the usual time a project takes on my computer. This current export is running at 3-4fps taking an incredible 12 hours to export. The project does include 2 filters. Brightness/contrast adjustment and a filter just to turn down the color saturation. I think it is the HSL color correction filter. I just checked my computer as it is exporting in virtualDub and I was expecting to see 100% CPU usage but I only see a 50% CPU usage.. I get 100% CPU usage while rendering the timeline. I know that CUDA would pretty much eliminate this step. I just want to try to understand why it is running so slow and how I can speed this process up. I have two Seagate 500GB drives in a RAID 0. I am going to try to use WD Carver Black 640GB HDDs to see if that speeds anything up. I am considering getting a completely new system. So understanding these different issues and what part of the workflow uses what components will really allow me to tweak my new system and make a better purchase. Are there any articles that talk about this topic? I have not checked my HDD space to see if it is just that my HDD is to full. A did clear the media cache recently. My current system as this setup. One system/program drive, one separate media cache/ files drive running off of e-SATA, and 2 500 7200rpm in RAID 0.

John Gerard

Thanks,

John Gerard

I did this mod when it was first being talked about, and discovered that at some point, presumably when CS5 must have done an update, the list of video cards got reset - and my added card removed! I've put it back again and all is well... but for how long?

If you've done the mod, it's well worth checking if yours is still actually functioning.

Hi,
I was told to get 12GB of RAM to run cs5. I wondered if 12 is a minimum requirement. I was thinking of getting 16 GB RAM then I realized that would give me 20GB total. My computer has 8 memory slots and I have already 4 1GB chips. I was told that 4 I GIG would be faster than 2 2GB. I just thought I would ask here. I think I will start by getting 2 4GB chips to start and that will give me a total of 12GB ram. I guess I could upgrade later to another 2 4GB of RAM later if I find that my system is still to slow.

Thanks,

John Gerard

Hi,
I was told to get 12GB of RAM to run cs5. I wondered if 12 is a minimum requirement. I was thinking of getting 16 GB RAM then I realized that would give me 20GB total. My computer has 8 memory slots and I have already 4 1GB chips. I was told that 4 I GIG would be faster than 2 2GB. I just thought I would ask here. I think I will start by getting 2 4GB chips to start and that will give me a total of 12GB ram. I guess I could upgrade later to another 2 4GB of RAM later if I find that my system is still to slow.

Thanks,

John Gerard

You've heard wrong, as far as four 1GB sticks. It also depends on the age of your system. And older 1GB sticks were also double-ranked - and this might cause slower performance on those systems equipped with memory controllers that work best with only two ranks of memory per channel.

And the only reason why memory modules with less-"dense" ICs are "faster" because fast higher-density IC chips are still relatively pricey even on a per-Gb (Gigabit) basis.

Hi all,
I just installed another 16GB 4 x 4GB chips to my already installed 4 x1GB chips. Windows reports 20GB AND 16GB useable. Does that sound about right? Maybe the 4GB is taken up by the graphics card interfacing with the on board RAM?

Thanks,

John Gerard

That doesn't sound right at all - the memory you install has nothing to do with your graphics card - it sounds like an incomparability issue between the ram sticks or the motherboard. At a guess Id say you simply cannot run with that configuration of ram as generally all sticks have to be the same type and size.

Hi all,
I just installed another 16GB 4 x 4GB chips to my already installed 4 x1GB chips. Windows reports 20GB AND 16GB useable. Does that sound about right? Maybe the 4GB is taken up by the graphics card interfacing with the on board RAM?

Thanks,

John Gerard

I believe Windows 7 Home Premium only recognizes 16GB of RAM. To utilize more than that, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 7 Professional or Windows 7 Ultimate.

Check the chart on this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

I just did the hack on my HP Desktop running CS 5. I'm editing a performance of The Nutcrakcer from last night and have done some color correction using the fast color corrector.

My red timeline went from red to yellow.

Cool. Thanks for the tip and figuring it out!

Hi,

i want to replace my old 7600GT card :)
I looked for a cheap, passive, lowprofile card, and found the GT210 a good choice for
mainly HTPC usage. But if it supports CUDA, maybe i can try this hack and test CS5 for
video editing? I edit mainly HDV files, but sometimes i work with fullhd avchd files, that really
slows down in Vegas. So if this card can accelerate a little vie MPE on Premiere, maybe
i change my video editing app. I need only smooth playback of those AVCHD files, with a simple
crossfade. Can this card help for this?

Yes, I know
- it's a very cheap card
- it has 64bit memory bandwith
- it has few CUDA cores (but still has some!)
and it have 1GB memory that is required!

So why not work? Or work, just i will get 5% performance increase?

Marry Christmas for everyone!

If you want a passive cooled video card, you should get a GT220 that is passive cooled. It will give you 48 CUDA cores and 128 bit memory bandwidth.

Zotac makes one and it sells for around $69.00 US.

Dave

AVChd is decoded on the CPU, not the GPU, as is all h264 media.

CUDA probably won't do you much good if your CPU isn't up to par outside, of reducing CPU usage for FX provided you use only CUDA FX. if you are having problems playing AVChd w/o FX, you need a faster CPU to start with.

Ok, thanks.
I have a dualcore cpu oc to 3.3GHz.
A simple playback is smooth even in vegas, just when i do a simple crossfade
the problem starts :) So i hope in this case even the 16 cuda cores will help.

I was encouraged by Martin Guitar's original post to get my Sony Vaio laptop
< VPC-F11JFX, Win7 Home, 64 bit which has an nVidia GT 330M video card>
to use the GPU in Premiere Pro CS5.

I ran GPU sniffer in a CMD window by dragging the .exe file from the Premiere Pro program file into the window. I did this after having the near instantaneous flash of the results of the sniffer disappear on the screen, after merely double clicking on the GPU sniffer.exe. So now I had the readout and my "problem" was CUDA driver too old. Hmm. Went to the Sony update site and made sure I was up to date, I was. Went to NVidia's site and after entering my model etc. found this note: "Sony has joined the Verde program by supporting the following VAIO notebooks: Sony F Series with NVIDIA GeForce 310M and Sony F Series with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M. Other Sony VAIO notebooks are not supported at this time (please contact Sony for driver support)."

When I first read Martin's post, not only did I find my CUDA drivers too old, I found that nVidia specifically did not want you to use their driver in my Sony (& other Sony models) notebook. I was pleased to see both 32 & 64 bit drivers available now.

I installed the new 64 bit driver from nVidia. I ran GPU sniffer again and this time I got the result I was looking for, that the card was not in the supported list.

I changed permissions on the "supported cards" file to allow me to edit it. Initially, I found myself unable to change the text file, as others in this thread have also found.
I added my card to the supported cards text file and saved it. Then held my breath as I started Premiere Pro CS5 and looked to see if I could now enable GPU use.

BAM, I now had the choice to enable, & I did. Tonight I will wring the thing out & get back here to report on stability, speed increase, the vaunted yellow line, etc.

Thanks Martin for this. I wish Adobe would give us this info! Give it to us as a beta idea, so we could check it out. Not all of us out here are pros who need bulletproof apps. A nice Christmas present indeed!!

Thomas that is good news 'cos I just ordered a laptop with Nvidia GT330 GPU. hope to report my progress when I lay my hands on it in the coming weeks(it is still in transit to Nigeria)

Hello all,

The answer to this question could be somewhere in the 16 pages of posts but I didn't see it.

I had this running fine for a long time. Then Did a PPro update and lost the changes made to the text file.

So I went and put my card back in (480) and went to add the exe file to my 3D settings in the Nvidia control panel and for some reason, PPro 4 appears there as already being selected.

And when I add "Adobe Premiere Pro.exe" from my CS5 directory, it just thinks I'm adding the CS4 executable and doesn't add anything.

In fact, it sees After Effects and Encore CS4 as well - none of which are installed on this computer - even though I have "Show only programs on this computer" ticked.

I tried to Remove and Restore the program settings but the options are greyed out.

Any advice here?

John,

This is a textual limitation of the driver without any impact. It uses the correct PR version.

So It does! Thanks again Harm!

Two questions though that are possibly (honestly I have no idea) related to MPE.

I run one output from my 480 to a Matrox Triple Head 2 Go and spread my Premiere workspace over three monitors.

The second output from the 480 goes to a HD display for full screen playback which I would enable by selecting from the option in the preview monitor.

But it's gone now. All I have is "DV Device" or "SD Device" (I forget what it called it), which isn't plugged in anyway.

I use Cineform and when I select a Cineform project, I can get full screen preview but that's it. Any ideas?

Secondly, in regards to full screen playback on that second monitor, when I select the option in the Cineform project, it defaults to Disable Open GL and Disable Full Screen Preview. I always enable them both (in 2D). What is the purpose of disabling or enabling Open GL? I thought it was a good thing and would expect Cineform to have it enabled by default.

Sorry if neither issue has anything to do with getting MPE to work with these cards. But I thought it might be a side effect of the process maybe.

Thanks again!

I was encouraged by Martin Guitar's original post to get my Sony Vaio laptop
< VPC-F11JFX, Win7 Home, 64 bit which has an nVidia GT 330M video card>
to use the GPU in Premiere Pro CS5.

I ran GPU sniffer in a CMD window by dragging the .exe file from the Premiere Pro program file into the window. I did this after having the near instantaneous flash of the results of the sniffer disappear on the screen, after merely double clicking on the GPU sniffer.exe. So now I had the readout and my "problem" was CUDA driver too old. Hmm. Went to the Sony update site and made sure I was up to date, I was. Went to NVidia's site and after entering my model etc. found this note: "Sony has joined the Verde program by supporting the following VAIO notebooks: Sony F Series with NVIDIA GeForce 310M and Sony F Series with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M. Other Sony VAIO notebooks are not supported at this time (please contact Sony for driver support)."

When I first read Martin's post, not only did I find my CUDA drivers too old, I found that nVidia specifically did not want you to use their driver in my Sony (& other Sony models) notebook. I was pleased to see both 32 & 64 bit drivers available now.

I installed the new 64 bit driver from nVidia. I ran GPU sniffer again and this time I got the result I was looking for, that the card was not in the supported list.

I changed permissions on the "supported cards" file to allow me to edit it. Initially, I found myself unable to change the text file, as others in this thread have also found.
I added my card to the supported cards text file and saved it. Then held my breath as I started Premiere Pro CS5 and looked to see if I could now enable GPU use.

BAM, I now had the choice to enable, & I did. Tonight I will wring the thing out & get back here to report on stability, speed increase, the vaunted yellow line, etc.

Thanks Martin for this. I wish Adobe would give us this info! Give it to us as a beta idea, so we could check it out. Not all of us out here are pros who need bulletproof apps. A nice Christmas present indeed!!

++++++++++++++++++++

Ok, I have had no problems whatsoever since enabling my gpu in Premiere Pro CS5. Editing is smoother overall, no stability issues, faster (by seat of the pants) but I do not have benchmarks to check this....your mileage may differ!

I found the cuda_supported_cards.txt but when I try to save it, it tells me that file already exists and do I want to replace it. I clicked ok and then it says access denied. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

Try as administrator. Otherwise change the file permissions.

I tried the administrator route with no luck. I have windows 7 do you know how to change the file permissions?

Right click on the file or even directory and go to security. You will see something like this for users and administrators. Change anything you need to change, but be aware you may need to go back to your Program Files directory, or even the root to gain full access to your disk.

...and if that doesn't work (and sometimes it doesn't), you might need to go to the Advanced tab shown at the bottom in the image above, and choose Owner and edit that to designate your user name as the Owner rather than System or Administrator (if I recall correctly).

Win 7 seems irrationally protective of directories it used to routinely give you access to in past OSes and this is the best way I've found around that.

Going back to the instructions in Post #1, has anyone really determined if anything other than step 3 is really necessary? The whole GPUsniffer routine is only to get your card name, which you might already know. And the settings in the NVidia control panel don't seem to have any effect, at least not on my system (and as noted elsewhere, it still thinks it's talking about CS4, even when you point to the CS5 exe).

So in my case, with a 480, I just go to the text file, find the line with "470" in it and change the 7 to an 8. Done.

hi,
i dont know if my previous post got posted so i will place it again here.
i thought i would post some JPGs i captured while viewing the performance results in Windows 7. at the point of capture i am running both Premiere Pro CS5 and Encore CS5. i am editting my menus in Encore while i imported the timeline from Premiere. This is a nice feature. :-) i am converting 1440x1080i 1.333 anomorphic to 720x480 widescreen. As you can see CPU usage is high but not 100% it averages 91%-97% usage. Menory usage is very high at about 22GB. Premiere is using the full 20GB RAM installed plus a small swap file. As you can also see E: drive is my Media cache drive and F: is my RAID 0 3 drive AVI files drive/ progect drive. E drive shows high usage 50%-100% usage. My thinking is at least with this process the computer is only as fast as the slowest component. Yes a better CPU would help but I think a RAID 0 media cache drive would help also and much cheeper. $80USD compared to a new CPU $800 USD +. Before I upgraded to CS5 I was pegging the CPU at 100% usage.
My 3rd JPG shows my second try at encoding the progect. This shows that Premiere Pro CS5 is only using 15.7GB of RAM and CPU usage is 100%. The only thing i changed is moving the Media Cache file location from the single HDD E to my RAID 0 3 HDD F. Could this have made the difference?
What do you think?

John,

You are correct in that the location of the media cache influences these results.

With the media cache and media cache database on a single disk, the CPU is waiting for the disk to deliver its data, hence the lower CPU usage. When located on a fast raid0, the CPU is no longer waiting for these data and can then hand over data to the GPU for scaling at a higher rate. Possibly due to the better syncing between CPU and GPU, there is a lesser burden on memory, so less memory is used.

Never mind