I can now confirm that the 470 works great with the MPE. At $350, this card is worth every penny!

Ben

I can now confirm that the 470 works great with the MPE. At $350, this card is worth every penny!

Ben
I am sure it works great....but do you have any idea if it works better than a 285? I am trying to decide if the 470/480 is worth the extra money. Like I already said, it appears on the surface that double the cores would mean double the perfomance.....any chance this is accurate? I have had a good experience so far with the 260 and I need to upgrade a second computer and I just want to know if the 480 if far superior to the 260....otherwise I'll just get another 260 for now.

I think the GTX 285 is being discontinued, Not many left in stock any where. Sorry I can't campare the 470 to the 260 as I came from an 8800 card. Thats a tough call though with the $150 price difference. The 260 may work just as well. Maybe someone else can chime in that has used both cards.

Harm and I have run a beta PPBM CS5 and myH264 test was faster than his and my MPEG2 test was only a little slower than his. Harm has an i7 overclocked to 3.8GHz and a GTX 480. I have an i7 920 at stock clock and a 9800GT 1GB (112 cores).

Prior to the 9800GT, I tried a GTX 275, and it was definitely faster in encoding times. I ran my own test of 3 avchd layers and the 9800GT encoded it in 13mins and 275 was 8mins 40s.

EDIT: my 9800GT encode actually took 15mins

Anybody know how to do this hack on a Mac? Thanks.

yes, but it won't do you any good because the 3 mac cards that will work for CUDA - 285, 3800 4800 5800 are already on the list. is there another nV card that works in a mac NOT on that list ?

In case anyone missed the Ppro 5.0.1 update post - apparently this increases the number of tracks you can use with the MPE above the prior cap of 3. This is FANTASTIC news and now gives you the option of choosing a far more affordable GPU to get the same work flow as a Quadro.

Did I mention before that I have a LOT of love for Adobe right now?

Dual Opteron 2300 CPUs, 2.6 GHz, 12 cores total, 3 TB drive space (2 x 1.5 TB), 8 GB RAM (128 GB max) and a PNY GTX 470. Using a SuperMicro mobo with SATA and SAS RAID capabilities.

Thanks to everyone who posted on this thread for making this easier. (Particularly the advice on how to overwrite the CUDA supported carts text file.) I'm adding the Neo4k Cineform codecs and will report how (hopefully) well everything is working.

Thanks again.

In case anyone missed the Ppro 5.0.1 update post - apparently this increases the number of tracks you can use with the MPE above the prior cap of 3. This is FANTASTIC news and now gives you the option of choosing a far more affordable GPU to get the same work flow as a Quadro.

Did I mention before that I have a LOT of love for Adobe right now?

Adobe has become a GREAT company, that is listening to its customers, giving speedy updates when needed, for an already fabulously stable release with utter commitment to make this the best release ever.

I have seldom seen such dedication, commitment and communication during the beta and pre-release stages, and continuing for the next point release.

ADOBE has done great and my heartfelt congratulations go out to all team members who have done a tremendous job under heavy duress. The time pressure was great, but they managed it and delivered.

THANK YOU ADOBE.

Hi guys,

I have a I7 940 and a ATI 4890 Card. After I updated to CS5 I have good playback with my HDSLR files but when I enable a second monitor (a plasma TV) for full screen preview everything gets choppy. It's normal I guess.

My question is:

With an Nvidia Card (CUDA enabled) will my second monitor playback (full screen) improve?

Thanks!

i have a hp dv7t laptop with the above listed card. there is now an official nvidia beta driver for it that support cuda 3.0. you must do a nvidia beta driver search to find it. it raised my cpu, and gpu temps 4 or 5 degrees, but in hp suggested power mode temps are still fine. now the gpusniffer approves the card, but you must type a capital M as in 320M when you edit the card txt file. i am up from 3 layers of xdcam ex w/PIP to 5 layers of video w/PIP effects running in real time with yellow bar. i honestly would not need more than that for a laptop project. thanks for posting the hack. i think its brilliant!

Just trying things out:
Upgraded to PP 5.0.1
Upgraded nVidia driver to beta 257.15 for the GTX470

I placed on the same timeline as 3 PIP clips (UL, UR, LR):
- 5DII 1080p30
- 550D 720p50
- HMC150 720p50

Playback on the Mercury hovers around 95% cpu usage, some choppy moments here and there but indicator stays yellow. Software playback is at 100% red timeline immediately.

I brought the GPU/Memory clock all the way down to 405MHz/418MHz (from 607/1674MHz). Playback was not affected not even 1% in terms of CPU usage.

Something tells me, it's either a driver issue, or the MPE is not optimized for the GTX470 yet.

you should still be using the 197.x driver. all I can say is, just take my word on it ! the newer drivers are not blessed for use with CS5 yet

also CUDA / MPE aren't doing anything to decode h264 right now. that is still all on the CPU. less intensive codecs like DVCproHD which is natively supported should yeild more streams... but ya I know who is using DVCproHD anymore !

Completely agree Steve.

To see that the 257.15 driver is buggy, add a Gaussian Blur to a clip and set blurriness to something larger than 5, for instance 15. This behavior can be replicated on different hardware and with different Fermi cards and with different effects.

As I was used with CS4 to convert the native H264 files of the 7D/550D to an intermediate codec like Photo-Jpeg I just gave that a go in pp 5.01. And, sadly, it seems that the MPE doens´t work as well as with the native H264/RED files. Just after I added a second layer with an mpe-accelaterated effect the playback became quite stuttery. So, is it possible that the MPE doesn´t work together with intermediates such as Photo-Jpeg, Cineform HD...? Any thoughts on this?

i posted about a beta driver that supported cs5. i noticed a 4 to 5 degree cpu, and gpu temp increase and after a day decided 3 layers with effects running cool with the old hp driver was preferable to me. i rolled back my driver, but it did not install the latest hp release. so i clicked on update driver in device manager, and it found a driver that is not on the hp site, nor the nvidia beta i was using. temps are normal, and cs5 is supported. this is the driver number: 8.17.12.5715 nvidia driver dated 5/21/2010. i used the top option in the driver search box, not the one that said find a driver on this computer. it seems to work great. i don't know why its not listed on the hp or nvidia site. maybe this will help all the dv7t quad owners that need cuda support.

As I was used with CS4 to convert the native H264 files of the 7D/550D to an intermediate codec like Photo-Jpeg I just gave that a go in pp 5.01. And, sadly, it seems that the MPE doens´t work as well as with the native H264/RED files. Just after I added a second layer with an mpe-accelaterated effect the playback became quite stuttery. So, is it possible that the MPE doesn´t work together with intermediates such as Photo-Jpeg, Cineform HD...? Any thoughts on this?
I use MPE with 5D files converted with Cineform - runs smoothly with several layers.

Thanks Charles - which graphic card do you have? I didn´t try it out with cineform, only with photo-jpeg. Could you do me a favor (or somebody else) and give it a go with that codec? With H264 it works smoothly in rt too, up to 4 layers with accelarated effects. But it doesnt do it with photo-jpeg... weird..

My system:
Quad 2.4
GTX275 with hack
8gigs ram
vista64

Thanks Charles - which graphic card do you have? I didn´t try it out with cineform, only with photo-jpeg. Could you do me a favor (or somebody else) and give it a go with that codec? With H264 it works smoothly in rt too, up to 4 layers with accelarated effects. But it doesnt do it with photo-jpeg... weird..

My system:
Quad 2.4
GTX275 with hack
8gigs ram
vista64
Uwe, I have a GTX 260. The system is a Q6600 (quad 2.4), 8 GB, Win 7. It is basically like your system. I don't run photo-jpeg so I can't test that, but I think you already have the answer.

--Edit. The photo-jpeg files will be much bigger than H.264 files so the disk read requirement is quite a bit higher, and goes up proportionally with layers. You might check your disk read speed.

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--Edit. The photo-jpeg files will be much bigger than H.264 files so the disk read requirement is quite a bit higher, and goes up proportionally with layers. You might check your disk read speed.

Yes you´re right, but isn´t the file size of Cineform HD bigger than Photo-Jpeg? So, if Cineform runs smootly on your machine it would have to be the same with Foto-Jpeg. Do you have a RAID0 on your system? Maybe that makes the difference? At the moment this behavior is pretty much of a "mystery" to me and I haven´t a clue what is causing it. I just gave DNxHD a shot - but the same story => after I added a second layer it began to stutter.

With CS4 I had to convert the H264 files to a codec that is faster, better editable and has a better quality - I used Photo-Jpeg for that. Now it seems to me that I have to make a choice between => speediness (h264) vs quality - simply to go a bit over the top. Could that really be the case?

Ok, this is all exciting and cool, BUT, if its so easy as this, and it is really easy cuz I've done it, why isn't Nvidia making it generally available? Are we not risking our gear? Could we be risking more than just the Graphics card, perhaps the Motherboard or other vital components?

Finally got my GTX 470 and today my CS5. Trying to make it work I try to change cuda_supported_cards.txt but when I try to save it I do not have the permission. I am logged in as an administrator and I have tried to unclick the write protection in the premiere folder and on the file - but no luck - HELP

The trick is to RIGHT CLICK on the Notpad icon. You will see the option to run (notepad) as Administrator. Once you open Notepad then browse to the file you want to modify.

BTW Notepad is fine for simple programming edits, but the free Crimson Editor is great for more extensive editing. Rowby

SOoo whats the best way to go... GTX 285 or GTX 470?

i noticed there is a GTX 295 would that be better?

Q9550 overlcocked
raid 0 setup
8 gigs ram
windows 7 - 64bits
graphic card - pending....

get the 470.....

they haven't done anything with MPE to take advantage of multiple GPU's.... yet.

get the 470.....

they haven't done anything with MPE to take advantage of multiple GPU's.... yet.

did the 470 get approved yet from adobe? Or the card is still to new?

did the 470 get approved yet from adobe? Or the card is still to new?

Officially it isn't supported, but if you use the hack it works just fine.

For those of you saying it's running smoothly, what's your playback resolution? 1/4, 1/2, or full? Could someone confirm that it plays back smooth at Full resolution?

Has anyone tried the GTX 465 card? On paper is seems pretty cost effective, 352 stream processors (compared to 240 in the 285) but i'm also conscious that other factors come into play. The 285 is a single gpu and some others cards are two put together which aren't taken full advantage of.

Is there a good place to find detailed specs? And the which specs matter? The nvidia site seems pretty light on details.

thanks
paul

Has anyone tried the GTX 465 card? On paper is seems pretty cost effective, 352 stream processors (compared to 240 in the 285) but i'm also conscious that other factors come into play. The 285 is a single gpu and some others cards are two put together which aren't taken full advantage of.

Is there a good place to find detailed specs? And the which specs matter? The nvidia site seems pretty light on details.

thanks
paul

Should be CUDA enabled. Just use the hack.

Should be CUDA enabled. Just use the hack.

I know that but on paper it seems better (and cheaper) than a 285 GTX but there could be a catch

- speeds of the clock are different to the 285
- memory is DDR5 compared to 3 (faster) but the bandwidth is 256bits compared to 512 for the 285 (slower)

So i'm trying to learn more about what makes for a good card for use with PPro.

I know that the 295 on paper is better but it's done by using two lesser GPUs and PPro doesn't take advantage of both, so actually it's worse.

cheers
paul

Probably going to be hard to know unless someone has/had both a 285 and 465. I doubt you will actually notice much difference. If Adobe gets around to supporting multiple GPUs, then thats a whole different game.

I'm really depressed/upset by the power requirements for the Geforce Fermi series of cards! 400w at full speed - Ouch!

Since my NLE machine and my develop and games box is the same computer, I guess I'll have to get the 480 card - for maximum FPS when I kill pixels, and enough CUDA to keep Premiere Happy!

I have a new intel i875K rig on the way, with 3x SSD and 8gb mem + Geforce 480

// Lazze

I'm really depressed/upset by the power requirements for the Geforce Fermi series of cards! 400w at full speed - Ouch!

The specs on the nvidia site state maximum power at 250W for the 480. (Compared to 200W for the 285).

Where's the 400w coming from, because that is huge...

cheers
paul

Hi,

I checked this review: ( power and heat )

Power Consumption And Heat : GeForce GTX 480 And 470: From Fermi And GF100 To Actual Cards! (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,2585-15.html)

// Lazze

Lars,

Typically reviews show power consumption of the entire test bed and not the graphics card itself. The review does say that it's system power draw. Though you can always look at the change in power usage from idle and full load.


I have a gtx 260, made the edit, and premiere runs accelerated. Great! but I haven't actually used premiere too much but it seems it's pretty quick at using the accelerated effects. Source video from my canon t1i h264 mov
My comp specs:
Gigabyte 790fxt-ud5p AM3
Phenom II X2 550BE @ 3.7ghz
8 GB DDR3 @ 1333 7-7-7-30 1T
EVGA gtx 260 core 216 896 MB
jbod 2x250gb, 500gb, 1tb

Is anyone using the 257.21 driver yet? Issues with the current update?

Is the 197.x driver still better to use? Where can i download the older driver from?

I am still using 197.75 for my GTX 480 and Vista 64.

download from Guru3D.com (http://downloads.guru3d.com/)

Is anyone using the 257.21 driver yet? Issues with the current update?

Is the 197.x driver still better to use? Where can i download the older driver from?

Downloaded it yesterday, but haven't had a chance to work with it.

What about After Effects CS5? Does this method activate the CUDA-cards for it, too?

NO, AE does not use MPE.

Hi Ozan,

You asked about the new NVIDIA drivers 257.21 WHQL.

I had been running the 197.45 WHQL drivers on 8 different systems. Premiere CS5 worked perfectly on all the computers.

I installed the 257.21 WHQL drivers on all 8 systems, then the problems began. Two of the systems are crashing on bootup, BSOD. A third system is having problems with Premiere CS5 with the 257.21 WHQL driver. It randomly crashes while using Premiere CS5. The other 5 computers are running fine.

All computers are running Windows 7 64 bit and have 6 gigs of memory. I am running several different models of video cards from NVIDIA in the computers. I went so far as to swap cards around and reinstalled the 257.21 driver several times and the systems that are having problems, still have the problems.

I have restored all the systems back to the 197.45 WHQL driver and ALL systems are back to running perfectly.

Dave
Studio 1 Productions

I updated my hackintosh to 10.6.4 now my GTX 275 1792 MB works just find. I guess nvidia release a x64 CUDA driver in the new update ( x86 is some how missing) but Premiere CS5 works fine, i have around 90-95% GPU usage and around 50% CPU usage (Q6600@2,4) when i export something or when i play something. I have a 7 min screen capture at 1680x1050 and i tried to export it H.264 HDTV 1080p. Without GPU-acceleration it estimated around 60 min, i wait more than 15 sec and not even 1% done, when i change to GPU it estimated around 9-10 min and in a few second it has 5% progress :D. I'm a premiere beginner, i don't know much about it. Hope this help the people who want OSX. I recommend 10.6.4 it works just great.

You asked about the new NVIDIA drivers 257.21 WHQL.

I had been running the 197.45 WHQL drivers on 8 different systems. Premiere CS5 worked perfectly on all the computers.

I installed the 257.21 WHQL drivers on all 8 systems, then the problems began. Two of the systems are crashing on bootup, BSOD. A third system is having problems with Premiere CS5 with the 257.21 WHQL driver. It randomly crashes while using Premiere CS5. The other 5 computers are running fine.

All computers are running Windows 7 64 bit and have 6 gigs of memory. I am running several different models of video cards from NVIDIA in the computers. I went so far as to swap cards around and reinstalled the 257.21 driver several times and the systems that are having problems, still have the problems.

I have restored all the systems back to the 197.45 WHQL driver and ALL systems are back to running perfectly.

This means that unless one performs the tweak to enable GPU acceleration I cannot recommend any of the GTX 4xx series GPUs for Premiere CS5 until Adobe certifies those cards. You see, at least with the 197.45 driver the GTX 4xx cards perform abnormally sluggish in software-only mode compared to older NVIDIA cards or ATi cards.*

*However, my finding is inconclusive because it is based on the single result in the PPBM4 table on an i7 system with a GTX 470 and MPE in software-only mode. The other results for the GTX 470 and GTX 480 all have MPE set to the GPU acceleration mode.

Randall,

Are you having any problems with GTX4xx cards with the hack and CS5 MPE in hardware accelleration?
I haven't had a chance to test them yet. What drivers have you used?

I tried a GTX 285 card today with the 257.21 WHQL driver. Now the GTX 285 is a "certified" card from Adobe but I ran into several problems when adding effects and it caused the MPE to crash.

All of the problem disappeared as soon as I went back to the 197.45 WHQL. I am giving up on the 257.21 WHQL driver and will wait for NVIDIA to come out with the next version.

BTW, I have tried the GT 240, GTX 250, GTX 260, GTX 285, 9500 GT, 9600 GT and a 9800 GT cards with the 197.45 WHQL drive and Premiere CS5 using the hack and have had NO problems what so ever. I even tried a 9400 GT with 1 GB of memory on a dual core processor and it worked. It really wasn't much better than running the MPE in software mode, but it did work.

I have only judged that based on my view of the performance list in the PPBM4 site. I do not currently own any NVIDIA cards with more than 512MB of RAM, which cannot run MPE in GPU-accelerated mode at all. And I do not have a GTX 4xx series card at all due to its cost that's much higher than I can afford right now. Because of this, I can call my findings as "hearsay" or "inconclusive".

By the way, the 9400 GT is the exact same GPU as the 9500 GT but with half of the G96 GPU's 32 stream processors disabled internally at the manufacturing level.

No problems here with the new 257.21 driver (vista64, gtx275)...

Randall, I should be getting my hands on a GTX470 this weekend to test it with the hack. I have talked to a few others who are using it with the hack and they said it running smooth and fast. They are using the 197.45 drivers. I plan on testing it with both version of the driver. I will post my results on Monday.

Uwe, have you had any problems with the CUDA enabled effects with the 257.21 driver? I had problems with a couple of them. Premiere would crash and give me an error pointing to the NVIDIA driver.

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Uwe, have you had any problems with the CUDA enabled effects with the 257.21 driver?...

No, I just gave it a go again with the accelerated effects (3-way-color-corrector, RGB-Color-Correction, RGB-Curves, Sharpness, Gaussian Blur, Transitions...) - no freezing or crashing...

Thanks for the info Uwe. I haven't had a chance to try the GTX275. Glad to hear you aren't having any problems with it, with the 257.21 driver.

I am playing around with a GTX470 with the hack right now and it is working flawlessly with the 197.45 drivers. Tomorrow, I will try it with the 257.21 drivers.