Curious, should I even bother trying this with my card?

ASUS ENGT240/DI/1GD3/A GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

I'm running Win 7 64bit, i5 860, 12Gb DDR3 RAM, single monitor.

Thanks,
Roy

Yes give it a go as its only a 2 min to fix. You have 96 Cuda cores in that card, every bit helps!

David, I assume the fix is to just change the cuda_supported_cards.txt file back and save it. And change the Nvidia field "multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration back. I wasn't able to get the 3d setting to add Abobe Premiere Pro CS5. Maybe that was the problem. BTW, I have CS4 and I downloaded the trial of CS5 because I am waiting for it to ship from Videoguys.

Just changing the text file will be enough for a single monitor. Open Pr and switch on MPE and test

Do you think we will get faster MPE performance with 1 monitor VS 2?

Do you think we will get faster MPE performance with 1 monitor VS 2?

Not sure Randy but I wouldnt of those it would be much difference though.

Has anyone got a GTX 480 to test it with?

Not sure Randy but I wouldn't of those it would be much difference though.

Has anyone got a GTX 480 to test it with?

David, I just got my EVGA GTX 480 from NewEgg today and installed. First off, it works, but didn't really have a chance to push it to see how far it will go. I dropped on about 5 GPU accelerated effects and time line was still yellow and super smooth playback.

Hopefully after my work day ends, I'll do some more testing with non-accelerated effects.

David, I just got my EVGA GTX 480 from NewEgg today and installed. First off, it works, but didn't really have a chance to push it to see how far it will go. I dropped on about 5 GPU accelerated effects and time line was still yellow and super smooth playback.

Hopefully after my work day ends, I'll do some more testing with non-accelerated effects.

What were the GPU effects? Thought it was limited to 3 for the GTX models?

If you could do some export times that would be great MPE vs Not

Effects were: Gaussian Blur (I believe), Noise (cranked just about all the way up), Fast Color Correction, B&W, Levels (I believe), and one other.

I'll confirm tonight. Also, I'm using Cineform AVI files of my 5D Mark II, so that "might" be why it's still showing yellow.

Anyone hear about this? It seems with new driver that it aids in time line playback as well as rendering. If thats true it may be better for me VS a new video card.

Brant, I'm considering getting the 480series since right now it has most CUDA cores (FERMI) and Adobe is planning to officially support 400 series GTX cards later this year. But I've heard that the card runs hot but I'm concerned with the noise level of the card. How loud is it? At idle and at load?

Brant, I'm considering getting the 480series since right now it has most CUDA cores (FERMI) and Adobe is planning to officially support 400 series GTX cards later this year. But I've heard that the card runs hot but I'm concerned with the noise level of the card. How loud is it? At idle and at load?


It certainly runs hot. I didn't really compare it vs my 260 card. Compared to my 260, it sounds about the same imo. No real db testing to be sure.

Best to have a bigger case with good air flow.

Hi everyone, first post here.
I got the GTX470 last night, installed it replacing my 512MB 9600GTX.

Firstly here is my pc config:
Q8200 @ 2.6GHz
8GB DDR2
2x WD 750GB in Raid 0

Originally on the 9600, playing back a 720p50 clip taken with 550D/T2i would ramp up cpu usage to 100% within 15 seconds of playback, no effects here.
On the GTX470 software renderer, the same would reach 85-90% but never 100%
With Mercury engine turned on the GTX470, I am getting 45-50% cpu usage.

I also tried AVCHD 720p25 taken with HMC150, I didn't notice much difference between the 3 settings, though there was perhaps a 5% reduction in cpu usage (from mid 30's to high 20%'s) when using the GTX470.

I am yet to add any effects. I will report on that later.
Oh and thanks Martin for your tip.

First. Wow! this is a brilliant hack. it is interesting to imagine how you figured this out, and really shows some pc problem solving skills to make things work Your Way.
i tried it on the gt 320m laptop card, and as nvidia is treating it like an orphan, not releasing official drivers, the hp driver from 3/10 only supports cuda 2.2. or 2020 as the sniffer reported/stating cuda driver too old. i tried installing cuda 3.0 developer drivers like my mac needed, but installer reported no drivers for this card. there is one modified driver that could support cuda 3, but the only report i heard on it is that it increses cpu temps. i was not able to find a suitable driver, or cuda update that passed the sniffer test. if anyone has a solution, that would be cool. i heard that nvidia may actually release official drivers for the gt 320m in may. the laptop is powerful, and i played 3 layers of ex1 1080 with 2 PIP effects at full resolution with under 50% cpu load yesterday, so am ok. i am not sure how much the gpu could really help, as its not the greatest card. but the price was excellent w/hp coupons for a 17in quad laptop, at 1/3 of the cost of a macbook pro, but only faster w/hdmi, esata, 2 hdd / a better kit IMO. fascinating hack you have created!

Wow! My GTX 9800 works after the hack! Thanks for the tip. This thread should be in the sticky.

Jun

It certainly runs hot. I didn't really compare it vs my 260 card. Compared to my 260, it sounds about the same imo. No real db testing to be sure.

Best to have a bigger case with good air flow.

Thanks... guess I'll have to get a full tower then. I'm running the GTX 260 along with an i7 12GB RAM, Blackmagic card, 6x1TB drives all jammed packed in an Antec Nine Hundred. CS5 is running sweet right now but I bet I could get more juice from the 400 series card. Mercury Playback is running alright for me as is (thanks to this hack) but its getting more performance from AE effects I'm more looking forward to.

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Premiere Pro CS5>GPUSniffer.exe
Device: 0000000000216CC8 has video RAM(MB): 768
Vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer string: Quadro FX 1800/PCI/SSE2
Version string: 3.0.0

OpenGL version as determined by Extensionator...
OpenGL Version 3.0
Supports shaders!
Supports BGRA -> BGRA Shader
Supports VUYA Shader -> BGRA
Supports UYVY/YUYV ->BGRA Shader
Supports YUV 4:2:0 -> BGRA Shader
Testing for CUDA support...
Found 1 devices supporting CUDA.
CUDA Device # 0 properties -
CUDA device details:
Name: Quadro FX 1800 Compute capability: 1.1
Total Video Memory: 749MB
CUDA driver version: 3000
CUDA Device # 0 not choosen because 765MB are required, and 749MB are present.
Completed shader test!
Internal return value: 7
---------------------------------------------------------

So close but not enough, should I buy screen card again. What is using ram on my video card?

Thanks... guess I'll have to get a full tower then. I'm running the GTX 260 along with an i7 12GB RAM, Blackmagic card, 6x1TB drives all jammed packed in an Antec Nine Hundred. CS5 is running sweet right now but I bet I could get more juice from the 400 series card. Mercury Playback is running alright for me as is (thanks to this hack) but its getting more performance from AE effects I'm more looking forward to.


Yup. I'm running the same case. Will not do the mid tower case again. Full Tower from now on. Just more room to work in, better airflow, and allows for better wiring.

Any chance someone would be willing to write a summary of the information presented in this thread? It's very interesting, but confusing to follow. Or, it could just be me. :)

Any chance someone would be willing to write a summary of the information presented in this thread? It's very interesting, but confusing to follow. Or, it could just be me. :)

Paul,

Adobe with CS5 has the feature to use a computers graphics card for rendering/exporting clips. GPU are much faster than a CPU due to the high memory bandwidth.

Officially Adobe only offers this feature for the GeForce GTX 285/ Quadro FX4800/5800 and CX.

However if you change the Cuda text file in your CS5 to suit your card you can have all the effects of the mercury playback engine.

Only real requirement is its a Nvidia card with more than 765MB VRAM.

Thanks David. When you say change, do you mean with a simple text editor, like Notepad? Is it just a matter of enter the graphics card name.

Yep here is the contents of my Cuda text file:

GeForce GTX 285
GeForce GTX 295
GeForce GTX 470
GeForce GTX 480
Quadro CX
Quadro FX 3800
Quadro FX 3700
Quadro FX 4800
Quadro FX 5800

As you can see I have added in a few cards - Although I don't have the cards its not doing any harm.

Wow, simple as that. Thanks, my GTX260 turns out to not be obsolete afterall.

I can confirm that the GTX 285 has the same issue(alt-tab to another app makes PP5 sluggish using the DSLR editing preset.) as my GTX 295 telling me that there's nothing really specifically done for the GTX 285.

As long as you have enough video memory your 200 cards should all be as good as a 285.

Finally got my GTX 470 and today my CS5. Trying to make it work I try to change cuda_supported_cards.txt but when I try to save it I do not have the permission. I am logged in as an administrator and I have tried to unclick the write protection in the premiere folder and on the file - but no luck - HELP

Bo, try this > drag the file onto your desktop and right-click / edit with notepad. When you are done editing, just drag the file back in your premiere folder.

Finally got my GTX 470 and today my CS5. Trying to make it work I try to change cuda_supported_cards.txt but when I try to save it I do not have the permission. I am logged in as an administrator and I have tried to unclick the write protection in the premiere folder and on the file - but no luck - HELP

I think I had that, make sure PP isnt running and you close all the Adobe Processes in task manager.

If anyone is having problems I've added a few cards into my text file and attached it. Just save it to the directory below and overwrite your file in there.

c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Premiere Pro CS5\

Great - Thanks - it works - IT is Fantastic how premiere handel video now - Cant wait to start editing projects in CS5....

Great - Thanks - it works - IT is Fantastic how premiere handel video now - Cant wait to start editing projects in CS5....

Please let us know the results MPE vs Software as I'm about to purchase a GTX 470 tomorrow and would be keen to know your thoughts.

Dont have much time testing today but 1 hour and 6 minutes DVCPro HD exported to quicktime DV took 12 minuttes with hardware activated and 21 minuttes with "only software" Tried editing with more layers with colourcorrection and other accelerated effects and no accelerated effects - and no lost frames (hardware)

What power supply are you using Bo?

What power supply are you using Bo?

I'll beat Bo on this, I've got Antec Earthwatts 500; I thought it will not be enough but it's running smooth and stable.
A note about noise/heat. the GPU runs at 80c most of the time, and the fan noise doesn't really become audible until 56%, anything below this setting it's quiet.

I'll beat Bo on this, I've got Antec Earthwatts 500; I thought it will not be enough but it's running smooth and stable.
A note about noise/heat. the GPU runs at 80c most of the time, and the fan noise doesn't really become audible until 56%, anything below this setting it's quiet.

Yeah all the reports say a min of 550w and 38amps on the 12volt line

Keep in mind that is the minimum requirement. If you are running a bunch of other devices, multiple HDs or optical drives, they all draw power. I personally went with a 900watt power supply to be safe.

550W PSU is sufficient if you do not install hard disks, DVD/BR burner and use only one stick of memory and do not overclock your system, do not use USB ports, etc., and do not plan to use it longer than one year.

If that is not the case do not consider anything below 750 W.

Look here, and calculate with a 100% load and 30% capacitor aging, then add around 15% to the estimated wattage: eXtreme Outer Vision - eXtreme tools for computer enthusiasts (http://extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp)

I am in the process of building a new dual boot box (Mac + Windows) -w- a GTX 285 and I went with a 1200 watt BFG power supply.

I have an 1000 watt corsair with mountable power cables. I made it a kind of standard in my computers as I often put a lot of cards, fans and harddrives in it too. Dont want to go down on the power side as it is not expensive. Again Thanks Adobe.....

As long as you have enough video memory your 200 cards should all be as good as a 285.

Martin, I can confirm at least the GTX280 rocks and rolls with this hack. Just playing with the CS5 trial version and I'm sold!

It works on my hackintosh with GTX 275 1792 MB ram. I did the same way windows users did.

perfectly working with my good old GTX260 (192sp, 896MB memory). i was even able to flawlessly edit xdcam video in fullhd on dual core cpu. had to upgrade to quad anyways. damned AVCHD...
OT: is anyone else having trouble playing same AVCHD clip in two layers above, top resized to be smaller? it works fine if its two different clips, if the same clips are in the same position, but once you move the so they are not in sync, it wont play more than few frames, cpu load is not reaching 100% by far. hope its just a bug

Although I can't benefit as my nVidia card doesn't have the required RAM, something very odd happens with CS5. AVCHD plays without stuttering, but parts of the picture jump. Really weird. One clip today was a lighthouse, on a blue sky with white clouds. The lighthouse was stable, yet the clouds jigged up and down - downloading the latest drivers didn't help. Works fine on SD material. The jiggling is also evident when coming out to a DV device linked to a monitor. Very strange.

I was looking at the gts 250 as its cheap as chips but am wondering, given MPE uses the CUDA cores, is the fact that the 250 only has 128 a limiting factor? Cuda core count goes something like:

9800 GTX: 128

220: 48
240: 96
250: 128
260: 192
275: 240
280: 240
285: 240
295: 480 (240 per GPU as its a dual GPU card so I would assume adobe wont us both)

470: 448
480: 480

No offense to Randy but his system probably isnt the best measure to dismiss the 250, given the weird readings he is getting trying to find his card.

Would be interested if someone could throw some red footage on the time line and see how the different cards handle that with a few effects?

Otherwise it would seem that the 260 is the best bang for the buck as its half the price of the 285 and from all reports handles most anything you throw at it.

EDIT:

Found this link and a few others on google and it appears the 250 with 1gb memory can indeed work very well once you modify the list of cards

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2802886?tstart=0

So given the 250 is almost half the price again of the 260 - might be the way to go for now?

OK, just wondering... has anyone tried this "hack" on a mobile workstaton (laptop) with a cuda-capable mobile card? I'm looking at acquiring a mobile system with a Quadro FX 1800M video card. It has 1GB of memory and according to nVidia it has 72 CUDA cores. Would love to see a CS5 mobile platform with the MPE!

I figured out how to activate CUDA acceleration without a GTX 285 or Quadro... I'm pretty sure it should work with other 200 GPUs.
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Step 5. Go to your Nvidia Driver control panel (im using the latest 197.45) under "Manage 3D Settings", Click "Add" and browse to your Premiere CS5 install directory and select the executable file: "Adobe Premiere Pro.exe"

Step 6. In the field "multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration" switch from "multiple display performance mode" to "compatibilty performance mode"
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First of all, thanks so much for finding that out. Kudos to you! Unfortunately, I don´t really get what exactly the purpose is for step 6. Regarding step 5 => PP CS3 exists already in that menu and it doesn´t change when I pick the CS5.exe. It sticks to CS3. Why we have to change the settings of the Nvidia graphic card from ""multiple display performance mode" to ""compatibilty performance mode"? I had a system crash as I pushed the export button (not the queue button) and now I´m wondering if this problem has possibly something to do with these changes? Furthermore, after a while of working all of a sudden the audio transitions disappeared. Now I´ve set it back to ""multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration" and until now I haven´t got any further problems. Could there be any relationship?

So, I would appreciate it if someone can explain these two different settings a bit more in detail...

Vista 64bit
GTX275

You may need to uninstall CS3 in order to enable CS5. I had the same problem with CS4 and CS5 and could not remove the existing profile and adding CS5 did not work, because it has the same file name.

An alternative is to get nHancer - Advanced Control Panel for nVidia Cards (http://www.nhancer.com/) which allows you to identify the path to a file, so you can have both CS3 and CS5 in your profiles.

Thanks Harm. I gave it a go. Hopefully, I did everything right. But this question remains to be answered:
"Why we have to change the settings of the Nvidia graphic card from ""multiple display performance mode" to ""compatibilty performance mode"? " Thanks in advance...

Actually I don't know, but keep in mind that the multi display performance mode only applies to OpenGl, not to Direct3D. BTW, I have this on globally and have not yet encountered any problems.

The GTS 250 works fine - I just followed the steps in this topic and it's running fine.

The GT 240 (Zotac zone silent + Q8400 - 8gig ram) works oké.
Using my AVCHD files: no more rendering of cross-dissolves, titles etc.
With an extra AVCHD layer on top my cpu's go to 100%.
But the normal routine edits 60-80%. Using 5D2 testfiles was to much.

No more rendering is more creative freedom.

Let's try this....no it takes to long.

Now it's ...give it a shot


Rob

Has anyone confirmed that there is an advantage to having a Fermi 480 card versus a GTX 260-285 card? I know there are more cores so it "should" be more capable. However, if the Mercury PLayback Engine is programmed to only utilize certain features of a non Quadro card, is there any benefit to the 480?

I need to order a new card in the next 24 hours and I am on the fence. I do not want to order a 480 if a 260 will do the same job. I am only interested in how it speeds up MPE in CS5.....don't care a lot about games and such.

Thanks.