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Ross Herewini January 15th, 2010, 08:54 PM Hi everyone,
We started testing our MxR and e-LCR Expresscard adapters in the EX1-R recently, and thought you might be interested in the results.
1. All the cards we tested worked with a wide range of memory types. All memory that worked in the EX1, worked fine in the EX1-R.
2. We completed testing with Sandisk Ultra 32GB and here are the results:
a. CrystalDiskMark 2.2 - Sequential write 11.75MB
b. EX1 performance - at 720 /25p able to sustain 38-40fps
c. EX1-R performance - at 1280 /25p able to sustain 60fps. 60!
3. Completed several runs from start to end of card, small and big clips, random deletes etc.
All pass.
4. Conclusion : Sandisk Ultra 32GB SDHC in MxR and e-LCR in EX1-R : PASS.
It now over-cranks to the same level as the SxS.
Greg Omelchuck January 16th, 2010, 03:16 PM Before I buy the sandisk cards I wanted to make sure I am getting the correct ones for my expresscard and Ex1r.
3XSDSDRH032GA11 SanDisk 32GB Ultra Secure Digital High Capacity, SDHC, Memory Card, 15MB/Sec Read/Write Speed - Pack of 3 (http://www.adorama.com/IDSU15SD32G3.html?searchinfo=sandisk+ultra)
Are the Ultra cards with 15mbs the correct cards and the ones you tested?
thanks
Ross Herewini January 16th, 2010, 09:58 PM Hi Greg,
Yes they are the ones. Watch for other in the Sandisk range to be tested in the coming days.
Marcelo Lima January 17th, 2010, 04:27 AM Hello. I am about to receive my new EX3 by Sony this week... I am looking for adaptors like e-LCR and i would like to know about the sdhc card.. It has to be class 6 or class 4 is OK? I can record full HD video with is cards of the transfer rates cant handle with the amound of data per second?
What is the limitations? Thanks...
Ross Herewini January 17th, 2010, 06:00 AM Hi Marcelo,
Congratulations on buying the EX3. The Sony EX1, EX3, and just released EX1-R are wonderful cameras to use.
We have just completed some testing using an EX1, (NB not the EX1-R), which will behave exactly like your EX3, and found that:
1. Sandisk Ultra 32GB Class 4 was running average about 12MB/s
2. Transcend 32GB Class 6 was running at about 10.5MB/s
So the Class 4 Sandisk is faster than the Class 6 Transcend.
For now we would recommend the Sandisk Ultra 15MB/s 32GB card, from the commonly available memory.
We are also beginning our testing on Class 10 memory, now that the price is more reasonable, and I should have some results of that shortly.
Just recently a num complber of company's have released Class 10 memory.
Marcelo Lima January 17th, 2010, 03:54 PM Thank you Ross... Ok. If i buy Sandisk Ultra 16GB Class 4 i will able to record videos in 25 Mbits on EX3 or i will have to select the smaller quality preset to record on card?? There is a limitation?? Thanks.
By the way, all ex3 cams come with some SXS card?? (like 8GB?)
Michael B. McGee January 22nd, 2010, 01:32 PM ...We are also beginning our testing on Class 10 memory, now that the price is more reasonable, and I should have some results of that shortly....
will you or have you tested the new Transcend 16GB Class 10 cards TS16GSDHC10? i'm looking to buy some of these or the Sandisk Extreme cards before the rebate offer expires at the end of January.
thanks.
Kelly Langerak January 22nd, 2010, 04:10 PM "It now over-cranks to the same level as the SxS."
Wow, so what slow motion looks good on these SD cards?
Are you guys still buying SxS cards? Especially you EX1r users?
This would be a huge factor in deciding on the EX1r over a used EX1
Michael B. McGee January 22nd, 2010, 06:12 PM Are you guys still buying SxS cards? Especially you EX1r users?
This would be a huge factor in deciding on the EX1r over a used EX1
maybe, depending on how much 40 or even 48+fps over-cranking you do. i think new Sandisk 8GB SxS cards are still selling for $160 US. i'd hope there would be more significant reasons when considering a EX1R or a plain old EX1.
Zsolt Gordos January 22nd, 2010, 06:24 PM ATP 32Gb and 16Gb with MxM card overcranks same as SxS for me. I dont even bring along SxS for field work
Keith Moreau January 22nd, 2010, 07:03 PM Hi Everybody
I have a couple of the original MxR adapters, use them with early 16GB Transcends, no problem so far. Does anybody know if the SanDisk 32GB Ultra II 15 MB/s card referred to here will work with my early MxR? Or do I need to get the newest ones?
Thanks for any help!
-Keith
Marius Boruch January 22nd, 2010, 10:45 PM I got some ATP's from MxM and they work perfectly well!
Michael B. McGee January 22nd, 2010, 11:32 PM Hi Everybody
I have a couple of the original MxR adapters, use them with early 16GB Transcends, no problem so far. Does anybody know if the SanDisk 32GB Ultra II 15 MB/s card referred to here will work with my early MxR? Or do I need to get the newest ones?
Thanks for any help!
-Keith
i think there's a Craig Seeman? on here who's verified that a 32GB Utra II Class 2 works with either an MxM or MxR adapter. i recall him saying the combo works at regular speeds, but i think your limited to 40fps or less. you might want to search "Sandisk 32GB Ultra II Class 2". i'm sure something he's posted will show up.
Keith Moreau January 23rd, 2010, 02:51 AM Well, Craig said in his post that he has good luck with the Ultra II Class 2, but he's heard that there are problems with the Ultra II Class 4, so I guess that's why I'm asking the 'experts' and the manufacturers of the MxR here. Maybe I should ask them directly.
Michael B. McGee January 23rd, 2010, 03:50 AM Hi Everybody
...Does anybody know if...
... so I guess that's why I'm asking the 'experts' and the manufacturers of the MxR here. Maybe I should ask them directly.
yeah, maybe you should ask directly or don't start off with "Hi Everyone" or "does anybody know if..."
William Graydon January 23rd, 2010, 06:49 AM any thoughts on this class 10?
SanDisk | 32GB Extreme SDHC Memory Card | SDSDX3-032G-A31 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/617061-REG/SanDisk_SDSDX3_032G_A31_32GB_Extreme_SDHC_Memory.html)
Michael B. McGee January 23rd, 2010, 12:33 PM any thoughts on this class 10?
SanDisk | 32GB Extreme SDHC Memory Card | SDSDX3-032G-A31 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/617061-REG/SanDisk_SDSDX3_032G_A31_32GB_Extreme_SDHC_Memory.html)
there's actually a rebate on the 16GB version until the end of the month from that same retailer. depending on how many cards you purchase the price for each 16GB card could be as low as $90.00 US each which is a 1/3 of the price of the 32GB card.
Ross Herewini January 24th, 2010, 11:12 PM "any thoughts on this class 10?"
We have tested Sandisk Extreme 16 and 32GB cards and they run very well in the EX1. They are clocking between 17.86 and 18.64MB/s as compared to the Sandisk Ultra 16GB at 11.87 and the 32GB at 12.12MB/s.
That is a ton of headroom on the card.
I haven't had the opportunity to test the Transcend 16GB Class 10 cards yet, but have them on order and should have them later this week.
I also tested Lexar Platinum 16GB and would say the performance is identical to a Sandisk Ultra 16GB.
The Lexar Professional 16GB performed exactly the same as a Sandisk Extreme 16GB.
Ross Herewini January 24th, 2010, 11:19 PM 1. We completed testing with Transcend 32GB Class 6 card and here are the results:
a. CrystalDiskMark 2.2 - Sequential write 10.88MB/s
b. EX1 performance - at 720 /25p able to sustain 35-40fps
c. EX1-R performance - at 720 /25p able to sustain 50fps
2. Completed several runs from start to end of card, small and big clips, random deletes etc.
All pass at 50fps, not 60fps.
3. Conclusion : Transcend 32GB Class 6 SDHC in MxR and e-LCR in EX1-R : PASS.
4. Still slower than SxS in overcrank but a lot more headroom than under EX1.
Michael B. McGee January 25th, 2010, 12:14 AM "any thoughts on this class 10?"...
...The Lexar Professional 16GB performed exactly the same as a Sandisk Extreme 16GB.
does a Lexar Professional 16GB SDHC card even exist?
have you tested the Panasonic 16GB Class 10 card?
you may have already answered or posted this response, but i'm curious to see what you think of the SanDisk Extreme III 16GB Class 6 cards.
thanks,
Mike
Michael B. McGee January 25th, 2010, 12:20 AM 1. We completed testing with Transcend 32GB Class 6 card and here are the results:
a. CrystalDiskMark 2.2 - Sequential write 10.88MB/s
b. EX1 performance - at 720 /25p able to sustain 35-40fps
c. EX1-R performance - at 720 /25p able to sustain 50fps
2. Completed several runs from start to end of card, small and big clips, random deletes etc.
All pass at 50fps, not 60fps.
3. Conclusion : Transcend 32GB Class 6 SDHC in MxR and e-LCR in EX1-R : PASS.
4. Still slower than SxS in overcrank but a lot more headroom than under EX1.
i find it odd that the 32GB Class 6 cards work just fine, but the 16GB cards don't. apparently the 16GB cards use to work just fine, but lately people have been reporting that they don't, especially the "red stripe" cards.
thanks for letting us know,
Mike
Michael B. McGee January 25th, 2010, 03:25 AM tried doing a search but kept getting a "fatal error" message. has anyone tested this card?
SanDisk | 16GB Video HD SDHC Memory Card | SDSDHV-016G-A15 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/573894-REG/SanDisk_SDSDHV_016G_A15_16GB_Video_HD_SDHC.html)
its Class 6 and reasonably priced.
Ross Herewini January 25th, 2010, 06:49 PM does a Lexar Professional 16GB SDHC card even exist?
have you tested the Panasonic 16GB Class 10 card?
you may have already answered or posted this response, but i'm curious to see what you think of the SanDisk Extreme III 16GB Class 6 cards.
thanks,
Mike
Oops! I just checked my notes again, it was a Lexar 8GB Professional that I was testing. I transposed the size from the line above when I was testing the Lexar Platinum. Sorry about that.
I haven't tested Panasonic Class 10 cards at all. The first lot of Panasonic cards we tested, which were their fastest cards we could get hold of a year ago, were well below usable levels for the EX1.
But Class 10 Panasonic is a whole new thing. I wonder why the Panasonic 32GB Class 10 would be more expensive than the Sandisk 32GB Extreme Class 10?
Damian Heffernan January 27th, 2010, 07:02 AM tried doing a search but kept getting a "fatal error" message. has anyone tested this card?
SanDisk | 16GB Video HD SDHC Memory Card | SDSDHV-016G-A15 | B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/573894-REG/SanDisk_SDSDHV_016G_A15_16GB_Video_HD_SDHC.html)
its Class 6 and reasonably priced.
I've actually been happily using this: SanDisk 16GB Ultra II SDHC SD Memory Card which is officially Class 4 - 15MB/second (100X) read speed, 15MB/second (100X) write speed
for a couple of months now and it's been fine.
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