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Pushpanatha de Silva December 28th, 2009, 05:35 AM Hi,
Can anyone of u recommend any LED video light for above Sony EX1?? with 12Vdc supply? Please mention the Brand, Model NO: and price if possible website info/order info. This lighting to be used for wedding reception for one of my friends. Thx.
Giroud Francois December 28th, 2009, 05:51 AM the comer 1800 seems to be the best choice.
Bob Grant December 28th, 2009, 05:59 AM Comer 1800 seems a good fit, quite happy with mine. If you've got one of the 3rd party batteries you can run the camera and light from it. The required cable comes with the light and in two lengths.
You can get more info on that light from the lighting forum.
Leonard Levy December 28th, 2009, 10:24 AM Comer 1800
Raul Rooma December 28th, 2009, 12:10 PM i'm using Swit on camera led light with swit battery what have extra d-tap output for light.
Quiet nice combo and works well for me!
Regards
Raul
Dave Morrison December 28th, 2009, 04:35 PM Wow, that seems very unusual for this group to have that much agreement. What was it about that particular light that sold you guys on it. I'm in the market for one as well.
Dean Harrington December 28th, 2009, 04:57 PM Hi,
Can anyone of u recommend any LED video light for above Sony EX1?? with 12Vdc supply? Please mention the Brand, Model NO: and price if possible website info/order info. This lighting to be used for wedding reception for one of my friends. Thx.
I have 3 of these LED Video Camera Light - Camcorder Video Lights LED (http://www.studio1productions.com/led-1.htm)
work like a charm, can be chained together, and have had no problems. One aspect I don't like, but hasn't proven to be a problem, is no direct ac or camera feed to the light. Strickly battery run.
Damn good though.
Vaughan Wood December 28th, 2009, 05:36 PM Comer 1800.
Never had so much light for wedding receptions.
Much better than the Sony equivalent, and the white balance is better too.
Now I just get the shot, and wind up the amount of light I need without it being too obvious!
Cheers,
Vaughan
Leonard Levy December 28th, 2009, 06:46 PM The comer puts out a tremendous amount of light. Its easily dimmable, It has barn doors so that you can easily vary the amount of diffusion , a flip down tungstun filter, an intensifier lens to spot the light if needed and the output color is pretty decent for an LED. It can run on a sony batt for hours, comes with 2 cables for a 12V power tap, and its very reasonably priced. What's not to like?
Hands down the best and most flexible light in its class. IMHO.
Pushpanatha de Silva December 28th, 2009, 07:34 PM Hi,
Thank u all for ur tremendous effort to give some advice for amature videographer about LED lighting. I think I will go 4 Comer if I can find a better price around..Ur help is much appreciated.
Pushpanatha d' Silva
Ned Soltz December 29th, 2009, 09:18 AM Might also think about the next price rung. Nothing, in my opinion, beats the Zylight Z50 and Z90. I have a Z90 and it is really worth the extra money. Choose 3200/5600 temps or dial in your own selection. Color mode for wash or special effects. Solid construction. Nothing against Comer but I think it is always worth considering even spending beyond original intent for greater versatility.
Ned Soltz
Matt Davis December 29th, 2009, 09:38 AM Wow, that seems very unusual for this group to have that much agreement.
And I'd not even heard of the Comer.
However, will put in a big shout for the Dedo 'LEDzilla'. A colleague had one, using it to good effect on a location shoot we were working on together. Mixed lighting scenarios: needed to punch some light into daylight shadows, add a bit of sun in interior shots, a bit of drama in a staged shot, throw a beam of light a long way to pick out a face, and to lift general hotel corridor lighting in a soft and gentle manner.
The LEDzilla dealt with it all. Lens system can throw light from a little tiny package. Diffuser can lift shadows. Dimmer can pull down lighting to match existing stuff. Daylight running, so no filtration and full power for outdoor stuff. Wish I'd bought LEDzilla instead of LitePanels Micro, may have to buy one anyway.
Tom Roper December 29th, 2009, 10:58 AM Nothing, in my opinion, beats the Zylight Z50 and Z90. I have a Z90 and it is really worth the extra money. Choose 3200/5600 temps or dial in your own selection. Color mode for wash or special effects. Solid construction.
My opinion too. The Z90 is powerful and bright, flattering to the skin, also has separate green/magenta correction for any chosen temp, radio frequency slave mode, the whole frame is lit evenly (even wide), and pro build. The main problem is it's just priced in another league. I've never used an LED light that puts out light this natural.
Taky Cheung December 29th, 2009, 12:24 PM There is a Comer 900 light that uses Sony EX1/EX3 battery.
Comer CM-LEX900 LED Light (Sony EX1/EX3 Battery) | L.A. Color Shop (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cx900)
It is not as bright as the Comer 1800 light but it is smaller and more portable. It also doesn't have a full dimmer. Only 2 level of brightness settings.
Ed Kukla December 29th, 2009, 12:36 PM The comer 1800 will not work with the ex batteries? Only the 900?
Taky Cheung December 29th, 2009, 12:53 PM Comer 1800 only takes Sony L-series batteries or third party NP-F970, NP-F770 compatible batteries. For Comer 900, there're 4 models that take different battery packs.
Comer CM-LBPS900 LED Light - Sony L-Series Battery (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cm900)
Comer CM-LBPC900 LED Light -Canon BP-900 Battery (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cc900)
Comer CM-LEX900 LED Light -Sony EX1/EX3 Battery (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cx900)
Comer CM-LBPP900 LED Light - Panasonic CGA/CGP Battery (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cp900)
I checked with Comer. They have no plan to make 1800 light uses other batteries other then the Sony L-Series batteries.
Pushpanatha de Silva December 29th, 2009, 04:23 PM What do u mean by it wont work with ex-batteries?? Can u please explain on this. Thanks.
Barry J. Weckesser December 29th, 2009, 04:24 PM And I'd not even heard of the Comer.
However, will put in a big shout for the Dedo 'LEDzilla'. A colleague had one, using it to good effect on a location shoot we were working on together. Mixed lighting scenarios: needed to punch some light into daylight shadows, add a bit of sun in interior shots, a bit of drama in a staged shot, throw a beam of light a long way to pick out a face, and to lift general hotel corridor lighting in a soft and gentle manner.
The LEDzilla dealt with it all. Lens system can throw light from a little tiny package. Diffuser can lift shadows. Dimmer can pull down lighting to match existing stuff. Daylight running, so no filtration and full power for outdoor stuff. Wish I'd bought LEDzilla instead of LitePanels Micro, may have to buy one anyway.
The Dedo looks interesting but I doubt that it has the light output of the Comer 1800. I haven't found one on-camera LED light to outperform the Comer as far as light output goes. I can't find any photometric charts for the Dedo so can't make a direct comparison.
Ed Kukla December 29th, 2009, 04:34 PM What do u mean by it wont work with ex-batteries?? Can u please explain on this. Thanks.
You should ask taky about this, I believe he is the distributor.
These lights have a plate on them to accept a battery. From what he posted earlier, the 900 version can be had with a battery plate that accepts the EX battery. The 1800 does not have an EX battery plate available. You would have to use a different battery to power the light or provide an external power source for the light.
One option I believe would work is to use the very large EX battery from swit or others that have an external power tap for a light in addition to powering the camera. You would have only one battery powering the camera & the light.
Anyone doing this? Details appreciated
Taky Cheung December 29th, 2009, 04:41 PM Comer 1800 light only made using Sony NP-Fxxx batteries. For the 900 light, it has 4 models but they aren't just battery plate that interchangable.
Comer lights also has a DC-in jack that you can connect to external power such as Anton Bauer. It includes 2 D-tap cables for connection. If you want to use your own cable, you just have to make sure you have the right polarity.
The NP-Fxxx batteries and chargers are relatively inexpensive. Also, LED consumes less power. So with just 1 or 2 batteries, it pretty much last all day shooting.
Piotr Wozniacki December 30th, 2009, 03:46 AM There is a Comer 900 light that uses Sony EX1/EX3 battery.
Comer CM-LEX900 LED Light (Sony EX1/EX3 Battery) | L.A. Color Shop (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cx900).
There's something I don't quite get on the linked website - it says the 900 accepts BP-Uxx battery, yet it's photographed with the NP series batteries... Does it accept BOTH?
Taky Cheung December 30th, 2009, 03:52 AM Oh.. that was just a mistake. I copy and paste the description from CS-LBPS900. Thanks for pointing that out =)
The CM-LEX900 only take the BP-Uxx batteries for the Sony EX1/EX3 cam. It will not take NP-F9xx batteries.
Piotr Wozniacki December 30th, 2009, 04:51 AM The LEX900 page also mentions the NP batteries at the beginning of Specification section (though I assume this is just a mistake) - you may want to correct.
Also, does the LEX1800 version exist? Cannot find it on your website...
Piotr Wozniacki December 30th, 2009, 06:29 AM Oops, sorry.
Should have read the entire thread...
Taky Cheung December 30th, 2009, 10:43 AM Piotr, thanks for pointing that out. I updated the product description.
For the Comer 1800 light, it only has 1 model that uses Sony L-series batteries.
Piotr Wozniacki December 30th, 2009, 11:21 AM Taky,
Under this link: http://lacolorshop.com/products/pdf/cm1800.pdf
- one can read about the CM-LED1800, which has NO battery plate - just the D-tap cable.
How much would this one be? I cannot find it on your website...
Taky Cheung December 30th, 2009, 11:25 AM Hi Piotr, we do not carry the CM-LED1800 model but I can place a order for you. It will take about 3 to 4 weeks to get here. It is the same price as LBPS1800.
One of the reason I don't carry this particular model is, it's more flexible to have the CM-LBPS1800 that you can use both battery back or D-tap connection.
Piotr Wozniacki December 30th, 2009, 11:28 AM Hi Taky,
Thanks for clarification. I'll stick to what I emailed to you :)
Piotr
Steve Shovlar December 30th, 2009, 02:57 PM Hi Taky, whats the price of postage to the UK for one of your Comer 1800's? I am very interested.
Taky Cheung December 30th, 2009, 02:58 PM Steve, you can add item to cart and check out. At the very last check out screen, you will be able to pick different shipping method with the shipping cost shown. Thanks
Steve Shovlar December 30th, 2009, 03:45 PM Thanks Taky, just looked but $46 postage is B&H postage prices and the reason I don't now shop with them unless I have a large order.
I post out worldwide every day and postage internationally is only a few ££$$ more than domestic.
Thanks anyway.
Markus Klatt December 30th, 2009, 05:32 PM Although the Comer 1800 is highly recommended here I wonder if anybody used the SWIT LED Video light S-2000 with 4 LEDs? This one can be directly connected to the 12V cable of the SWIT S-8U62 battery...
Taky Cheung December 30th, 2009, 06:26 PM I have the SWIT S-2010 light before. It looks like it's the same 4-LED light as the S-2000. It doesn't output much light compared to the Comer 900 or even 1800. It was 550lux at 1 meter. Comer 900 and 1800 output 900 lux and 1800 lux at 1 meter respectively.
I have been using the SWIT S-2010 light for a year at weddings before I have Comer. It works so much better than LP Micro. However, it is not still as ideal as it is 5600K color temperature makes it too blue to be used indoor. It also casts a circular spot that I need to add the diffuse filter to even the spread. By adding both orange and diffuser filters, the light output becomes very weak.
You can take a look at these comparison video. That's include the LP Micro and SWIT S-2010.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/photon-management/235277-six-camera-video-lights-shootout.html#post1455457
Bob Grant December 30th, 2009, 10:14 PM One thing to be aware of with any on camera light and the EX1. The cold shoes for the mic and the light are pretty close together so depending on many factors you can end up with them fouling. I've solved the problem with a K-Tek cold shoe extender that I bought cheaply some time ago. An Israeli arm kind of device would be more flexible but too heavy in my opinion.
Piotr Wozniacki December 31st, 2009, 12:58 AM The Lux specs of Comer lamps do look impressive. Anyone know how does 1800 lux @ 1m (or 900 lux @ 1m) compares to traditional tungsten bulb (in Watts)?
Piotr Wozniacki June 24th, 2010, 10:41 AM Comer 1800 seems a good fit, quite happy with mine. If you've got one of the 3rd party batteries you can run the camera and light from it. The required cable comes with the light and in two lengths.
You can get more info on that light from the lighting forum.
Do all Comers 1800 - when switched on with the knob - go into the max illumination mode for a split second, before they settle at the minimum? Only after what looks like testing the LEDs at full power, the dimmer can be adjusted according to the actual needs.
This is a strange behaviour...
Jose Bucaro June 24th, 2010, 02:42 PM I am using the Switronix TL-88 which is comparable to 75Watts of a Tungsten light. At least that is what Switronix says.
How many watts is the Comer 1800 equivalent to a Tungsten light?
The Tl-88 is very nice but is to big (Circumference) which spreads out the light so it is not as good for zoom distances. It is good for close ups or for wide group shots. It also has a dimmer.
Thanks
Taky Cheung June 24th, 2010, 04:55 PM According to Switronix web page, TL-88 Light Output: 800 Lux @ 1m, 5600K. When use it indoor, you will need to use the warming filter. That will make it less bright.
Comer 1800 output is 1800 lux at 1m 4500K color temperature. It's ready to be used indoor without any filter.
Simon Denny June 24th, 2010, 05:08 PM Hi Guys,
I'm interested in the Comer 1800. Can I purchase this within Australia or do I have to obtain this from the USA? If the purchase is from the USA what place do you guys recommend I place an order.
I use a the Sony HVL-LBP light which looks similar to the Comer and the Sony uses the NP-F970 battery which I hope is compatible with the Comer. Can anyone confirm that the NP-F970 battery will work with the Comer.
Cheers
Taky Cheung June 24th, 2010, 05:14 PM Simon, we are Comer distributor in the US. I don't think they have a reseller in Australia. We can ship the light to you in Australia.
Comer CM-LBPS1800 On-Camera LED Light | L.A. Color Shop (http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cm1800)
The Comer 1800 light is better than the Sony light in many ways. Comer is brighter (1800 lux) than the Sony (1200 lux). Sony light is not diffused which you will get a bright spot in the center of the screen and dark corner. Comer light is diffused out of the box. No need to use the diffuser. Sony is 5600K which the orange filter is needed to use it indoor. Comer light is 4500K which is ready to use indoor without any filter.
Worst thing about the Sony light is it ONLY take Sony brand batteries. The light won't turn on if you use a compatible battery.
Comer light can take all compatible L-series batteries including the NP-F970 battery.
Simon Denny June 24th, 2010, 05:20 PM Thanks Taky,
Yeah, this light looks great for what I need. I will check out your website.
Thanks
Jose Bucaro June 24th, 2010, 05:44 PM Taky Cheung,
Thank you for the information and sorry, I did not know that you sell them so I ordered from another place.
However, I will refer my friends to your store.
Jose
Taky Cheung June 24th, 2010, 07:27 PM No problem! Hope you enjoy your light =)
Piotr Wozniacki June 25th, 2010, 01:44 AM Do all Comers 1800 - when switched on with the knob - go into the max illumination mode for a split second, before they settle at the minimum? Only after what looks like testing the LEDs at full power, the dimmer can be adjusted according to the actual needs.
This is a strange behaviour...
Could anyone answer my question, please - before this thread is forgotten again?
Thanks :)
Colin Rowe June 25th, 2010, 04:39 AM Check out the Rotolight RL48E. Rotolight - Professional Shotgun Mic Mounted Camcorder LED Light (http://rotolight.com/) you can purchase a 2 or 3 point lighting system, far more flexible, than 1 on camera light, for around the same cost as most of the single, high output lights available. I use three of these lights, 1 permanately on the EX1, and 1 or 2 on stands for infill and backlight. This form of lighting is far kinder on the subject than 1 glaring on camera light. The lights run for over 3 hours on 3 x AA cells, wouldnt go anywhere without mine.
Piotr Wozniacki June 25th, 2010, 04:59 AM Hi Guys,
I'm interested in the Comer 1800. Can I purchase this within Australia or do I have to obtain this from the USA? If the purchase is from the USA what place do you guys recommend I place an order.
I use a the Sony HVL-LBP light which looks similar to the Comer and the Sony uses the NP-F970 battery which I hope is compatible with the Comer. Can anyone confirm that the NP-F970 battery will work with the Comer.
Cheers
Hi Simon,
Marek of MxM Express is your Australian reseller for both the Comer lights and the alternative EX1 batteries with tap output:
MxM Express LED Lights (http://mxmexpress.com/?page_id=1310)
Piotr Wozniacki June 30th, 2010, 12:49 AM Do all Comers 1800 - when switched on with the knob - go into the max illumination mode for a split second, before they settle at the minimum? Only after what looks like testing the LEDs at full power, the dimmer can be adjusted according to the actual needs.
This is a strange behaviour...
Could someone confirm or deny, please?!!
This full power flash at switching on worries me (not to mention it's not welcome when I decide to add light without interrupting the shoot)...
Simon Denny June 30th, 2010, 02:36 AM Thanks Piotr,
Will look into that.
Cheers
Vaughan Wood July 1st, 2010, 12:01 AM Piotr,
My Comer 1800 also starts brighter for half a second then dims down when you turn it on.
Certainly wouldn't say it starts at full strength though, more like 25% of power hits in before it dims down.
As you say, it is for about half a second, and to be honest, even after about 100 weddings I've never noticed that before I checked it out for you.
Cheers,
Vaughan
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