I'll put my bet on an EX5. It's due.

I'm sure what's coming will surprise almost everyone ;0) but I'll be in a lot of trouble I say anything more, probably said too much already.

Alright, with a comment like THAT Im guessing a full sensor to give the Canon 5DM2 some competition.

Sony and Panasonic have joined forces in the P2 project ---- no - no anything like that never happend before and probably never will. New full size 2/3 EX camera to compete with Panasonic P2. - I guess.

Alright, with a comment like THAT Im guessing a full sensor to give the Canon 5DM2 some competition.

Why do people rate the 5D so much? Sure it's a full frame sensor but that doesn't matter as the codec doesn't bear close examination, the skew is terrible and the ergonomics of working with a DSLR is appalling. OK it's easier to get a "film look" but any professional can get the same out of an EX3

When I want a short DOF or when shooting golden hour, the differences to me are dramatic.
But I agree its has its limitations and uses. Which is exactly why I bought an EX-3 several weeks ago. For professional uses with clients the EX-3 offers a lot of what the 5D does not.
I like using them together and use them for their strengths. The facility I work at did a night shoot of an Allman Brothers concert recently and in post the footage was displayed by a HD projector on a large screen. The images were breathtaking.

It also says:

"You spoke, we listen" on the home page.

So could it could be something very requested...

I hope it is not going to make me regret that I have just ordered an EX3 this week...

I would hold off on buying anything for a few days.

Too late for me, I already ordered it on Monday.

I now believe Sony's big announcement will be a 3D XDCAM EX (perhaps called EX3D?).

It will use the EX3's single 1/2" interchangeable lens mount, Sony's recently prototyped beam-splitting 3D system feeding two illuminated "Xmor R" sensors to facilitate very high frame-rates.

It will need a bigger battery to handle the extra overhead and faster recording (on raided SSDs) to handle the extra bandwidth and, of course, a 3D viewfinder. The extra body length and weight makes shoulder mounting a no-brainer.

The camera will be supported by a suite of new applications designed to handle a new 3D file-type and to appeal to the broadest-possible market.

I believe this because Sony are investing heavily in 3D TV's. Their consumer TV division has taken a battering from the competition and they need to make a come-back. 3D is a unique opportunity to do so.

If 3D TV is going to take off there needs to be more 3D content and that will only happen (in todays economic climate) when costs come down. The enormous success of the EX series enables Sony to produce an affordable 3D solution through economies-of-scale. It may even come-in under £10K.

The compact 1/2" blocks and efficient sensors make it perfect for sports coverage especially. They'll need to fix that rolling shutter though. If any of this does materialize then Sony are bound to revise the EX1 & 3 to boot.

- now, hopefully, I can get some sleep.

My guess is a shoulder mounted EX

This is what I heard. Panasonic HPX-300 form factor true shoulder camera.

Basically a better EX-3.

Perhaps Chris had better buy in some more bandwidth for Tuesday

This morning's teaser from Sony describes the announcement as "Big, industry-shaking, ground-breaking". A shoulder-mounted EX3 doesn't fit that description.

An affordable, compact, shoulder-mounted 3D camcorder does. Sony believe that they can drive demand for their 3D consumer TV's (arriving 2010) by launching this product now.

They want to dominate the nascent consumer 3D TV market. After seven consecutive loss-making years they desperately need a hit. They've cut OLED R&D (Samsung & LG now blaze that trail), that leaves Sony with all their eggs in the 3D basket.

With their lead in broadcast camera technology, Sony are uniquely placed to pull this off.

It's a copier (they had to compete with Canon).

Kidding... ;-)

not very amusing that guys "in the know" come on here and say "you'll get a surprise but I can't say more". No offence but I could say something like that to big note and never be proved wrong (I don't have any inside info BTW). No value added here.

Thank goodness I don't fly to Japan until next week as I've got lots of yen in travellers cheques with an EX1's name on them, but if this thing on the 20th surprises it might mean I buy that instead. If it's out soonish.

My speculation:
Maybe Sony is going to release a Red scarlet non-vapor competitor, 4:2:2 and 50+ mbps.

2/3" with removable lens (native or adaptable to B4), decent form factor, ie HPX300, radio mic slot, VF as good or better than EX3, solid(!!), 50Mbps MPEG2 (although 10bit would be better), affordable single use media with 150min plus record time, no IR contamination issues and PQ & low light to match (hopefully better) the EX3 would have me waiting in line.

Conventional wisdom:A 1/2inc shoulder mount EX variant, maybe with. A 2/3inch would cannibalize the 700-800 cameras especially if it is priced below 20K.

Unconventional thinking: A S35 sensor and SLR lens compatibility.

Both in the 35Mbits realm, unless Sony has managed something extraordinary.

Perhaps Chris had better buy in some more bandwidth for TuesdayNo worries. DV Info Net is well prepared, as always.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/465974-new-ex1r.html

New EX1R is out....

a site link also

Sony PMW-EX1R (http://www.expandore.com/product/Sony/Proav/model/XDCAM_HD/XDCAM_1.htm)

Some of the "big" things are
Cache Record up to 15 seconds
HDMI out
Standard Def recording
One push Auto Iris
One push for S&Q change
New View Finder
Camera holding
Switch improvements
Firmware upgrade by users.


http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdcam-ex-cinealta/465974-new-ex1r.html

New EX1R is out....

I presume this isn't Tuesday's BIG announcement?

Well if THAT'S ALL the big new release that "those in the know" said we would get then that's a very big let down IMHO. This is a very good, welcome but modest upgrade to a stunning cam.

Let's hope there is more good (read better) news to come on 20th.

EDIT: I see Mike and I think in the same way on this one!

I presume this isn't Tuesday's BIG announcement?
I believe it's not. I read on another forum that there are two models for release. They're announcing this one and another one. The EX1R info from the web page that is posted here probably got leaked as there isn't a Sony press release for it yet.

This isn't a big announcement. BIG = big new sensor. So it's an upgraded EX1 PLUS a big-sensor Scarlet/upcoming-Canon killer.

No offence but I could say something like that to big note and never be proved wrong (I don't have any inside info BTW).

Yeah Damian, you could. But since anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of spreading fertilizer on message boards. Especially one where I've moderated for a few years. You can believe me or not, your choice. The same can be said for Alister and a few others around here who have a close working relationship with Sony as early adopters of the XDCAM family.

Regards,

-gb-

Would Sony introduce a shoulder mount camera that records to disc in the EX codec?

I have a feeling the EX1R wont be the only thing being announced.


Lest just say that I might be tasked to co-produce a very ambitious music video involving very bright Videographers and popular music artists. Since its very ambitious as is, I’m willing to include almost any new camera Sony decides to release. What are the chances of Sony giving me a test unit for about week? and that has to include a weekend (I know beggers can't be choosers).
I’m actually serious by the way.

Something "BIG" huh ??.... Hmm..maybe SUMOCAM with JUMBOCHIPs ?

Unfortunately, all of the good Sony Alpha lenses do not have an aperture ring so they are rather useless for most types of video.

But there are many zooms that are also constant aperture, unlike video zoom lenses. Even those lenses with an aperture ring are not particularly smooth to adjust.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Heffernan
No offence but I could say something like that to big note and never be proved wrong (I don't have any inside info BTW).

Yeah Damian, you could. But since anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of spreading fertilizer on message boards. Especially one where I've moderated for a few years. You can believe me or not, your choice. The same can be said for Alister and a few others around here who have a close working relationship with Sony as early adopters of the XDCAM family.

Regards,

-gb-


Really meant no offence Greg. I'm certain yourself and Alister would be quite in the know as you're connected with the big guys in ways we're not for sure. I meant it's just frustrating for us bleeding edge types waiting even one more day for the goss. We need information now!

Philip Bloom Blog Archive Sony EX1r and something else coming on the 20th in Paris? (http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/10/18/sony-ex1r-and-something-else-coming-on-the-20th-in-paris/)

Phil Bloom has a link to a website that may have posted the specs of an "EX1r" early.

Sony Product Compliance Europe (http://www.compliance.sony.de/index.php)
Nothing there. nothing on the ftp

At 9am UK time (8.00 GMT) tomorrow you'll be able to get accurate details about the real thing via my Blog. Not speculation or hearsay but real details. Can't say more until then.

Or you could come see me at the Televisual Roadshow in Bristol on Tuesday, Cardiff Thursday/Friday.
http://www.televisual.com/roadshow/

or the EXperience event in Dublin on Wednesday. Pre Booking required for either event!
http://www.eurotek.ie/Events/event.aspx?pageid=31

Hi Alister,

Will the show in Dublin on Wednesday be showing any of the new EX camera's ?

Gary :)

I can't answer that question. Sorry

I do try to help this and other communities with honest advice, tips, workflows etc. I have given my time preparing free video tutorials, answering questions on the board publically or via PM's and even over the phone. I do feel that I have earn't the right to do a bit of self promotion. Besides which the information that I will post once the embargo is lifted will be accurate and correct and not based on speculation, unlike some of the other links that have appeared.

I for one have always appreciated and respected Alister's input. And if you look closely at what you call "self promotion" it is full of useful information that will make everyone a better XDCAM shooter and beyond.

How about in the nose and out the mouth a deep breath for all of us and lets enjoy the announcement tomorrow.

Thank you Alister

My Sony gear had never let me down and I look forward to the next upgrade.

Here's what I'd like to see from Sony: An EX / XDCAM 3XX series Hybrid, This dream shoulder mount Camera would be capable of recording onto either SXS, Optical disc, or both simultaneously. If over-heating, or battery-life is not an issue, this camera would be idea.

I'll play. I'd like...

Full frame DSLR-like camera with:
proper audio controls and connectors, full frame, sensor SDI or HDMI out, at least 35Mbit xdcam codec, no jellow like the current DSLR's, undercrank/overcrank, SD or CF card recording, small but better handheld ergonomics than current hybrids, able to use any canon, nikon, leica lenses.

That, would be BIG.

That would be pure dreams and wild imagination, Ed... :)

Yep, I'll be here bright and early...after almost 100 posts of speculation and intrigue...why not attend the show (and because I live in a, near enough, time zone).

Somehow, the full shoulder EX5 that I originally imagined was almost inevitably a forgone conclusion for many months is no longer, really, the "game changing" thing I hope they now might announce.

Well, you haven't heard anything from me. Not a peep.

But in Sony's defense, it is forums like this that have whipped people into a frenzy. All Sony said was basically, "stand by for an announement on the 20th". That's it. How can they be faulted for that? All the frenzy whipping is self-induced. Grown adults acting like children on Christmas Eve. :-)

Without violating my NDA, I can assure you that that Sony is not announcing a cure for cancer.

You know what's cool is the frenzy is very apple like :)

Which Sony exec is going to be the Steve Jobs and run on stage punching the air?!

Where do we sign up for the free beer?

I didn't see that in my e-mail invitation.

You guys are all wrong. My inside guy at Sony says it's going to be a 4D cam capable of projecting 6k holographic images 30' tall. However the audio is spotty and there are no external jacks.

At 9am UK time (8.00 GMT) tomorrow you'll be able to get accurate details about the real thing ...

Is it 9 yet? :)

Alister, what time is that in Chicago speak?

O|O
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