Don Crockett
June 1st, 2005, 08:06 PM
... I am not even thinking about the HD100 recording to HDV. What
interests me is real HD output and figuring out a way to capture that.
The 100e model shown at NAB had the tape transport *removed* and
an encoder (much like the ones of which we speak) in its place.
*IF* I can capture real 720P (1280x720; 8 or 10 bit @60fps) THEN
I have something real AND *valuable* ...
I'm really intrigued by Jacques' suggestion here, especially since it looks like JVC is considering offering this configuration.
This approach is in line with Mike Pappas's "JVC GY-HD100u and Its Second Coming" (http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/jvcprohd/pappas5.php) about guaranteeing a longer future for the camera, albeit at the cost of sacrificing the HDV recording to tape. It'd be great if JVC offered a camera with higher quality output-only formats and HDV recording to tape, but if that wasn't an option than from the posts there's a market that would be willing to sacrifice tape if they can get the higher quality output formats. A number of people have talked about taking advantage of the analog uncompressed output. You could eliminate the need to buy a multi-thousand dollar device to convert an analog signal back to digital if the camera could output the digital signal it had to begin with. I'd rather spend those thousands of dollars on capturing the digital output. Being able to choose between multiple capture devices would be a great, just like choosing the right lens or mic is great.
Anyway, I started this thread to try to consolidate the ideas of people interested in a tapeless HD100e camera. What output formats, compression, etc. should it support (both audio and video)? Any other ideas?
I'd also like to see what people would suggest for devices to capture the data streams. Sign me up for portable Firestore-style HDD device with swappable hard-drive modules with 1, 2, 4, or 8 hour capacities. Is that feasible? How much would it cost to manufacture? How about a tape back, what makes sense for tape?
I'm also like to see support expressed and rallied for this approach so that JVC offers the HD100e, and JVC or other manufacturers build devices to capture its output. It'd be a great option for content creators.
Maybe this approach is more expensive but if I have an easier time selling my footage or productions to the large outlets and my footage survives the inevitable format evolution longer, then I can hopefully make that money back. With a standardized modular system I can upgrade individual components (camera, lens, back) as my needs, budget and the components offered change. That also protects my investment.
Don
interests me is real HD output and figuring out a way to capture that.
The 100e model shown at NAB had the tape transport *removed* and
an encoder (much like the ones of which we speak) in its place.
*IF* I can capture real 720P (1280x720; 8 or 10 bit @60fps) THEN
I have something real AND *valuable* ...
I'm really intrigued by Jacques' suggestion here, especially since it looks like JVC is considering offering this configuration.
This approach is in line with Mike Pappas's "JVC GY-HD100u and Its Second Coming" (http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/jvcprohd/pappas5.php) about guaranteeing a longer future for the camera, albeit at the cost of sacrificing the HDV recording to tape. It'd be great if JVC offered a camera with higher quality output-only formats and HDV recording to tape, but if that wasn't an option than from the posts there's a market that would be willing to sacrifice tape if they can get the higher quality output formats. A number of people have talked about taking advantage of the analog uncompressed output. You could eliminate the need to buy a multi-thousand dollar device to convert an analog signal back to digital if the camera could output the digital signal it had to begin with. I'd rather spend those thousands of dollars on capturing the digital output. Being able to choose between multiple capture devices would be a great, just like choosing the right lens or mic is great.
Anyway, I started this thread to try to consolidate the ideas of people interested in a tapeless HD100e camera. What output formats, compression, etc. should it support (both audio and video)? Any other ideas?
I'd also like to see what people would suggest for devices to capture the data streams. Sign me up for portable Firestore-style HDD device with swappable hard-drive modules with 1, 2, 4, or 8 hour capacities. Is that feasible? How much would it cost to manufacture? How about a tape back, what makes sense for tape?
I'm also like to see support expressed and rallied for this approach so that JVC offers the HD100e, and JVC or other manufacturers build devices to capture its output. It'd be a great option for content creators.
Maybe this approach is more expensive but if I have an easier time selling my footage or productions to the large outlets and my footage survives the inevitable format evolution longer, then I can hopefully make that money back. With a standardized modular system I can upgrade individual components (camera, lens, back) as my needs, budget and the components offered change. That also protects my investment.
Don