View Full Version : Some questions about Aspect HD
Peter Ferling March 6th, 2007, 09:01 AM Rafael, cineform support's response time is top notch. You can transfer the license at will, and the server responds almost immediately (had a couple times where it took 24hr, otherwise, it was more like a minute).
This license is like the dongle that you never have to carry around or lose, or more like a having a combination lock vs. one requiring a physical key. (You have to get into the habit of remembering to transfer the license).
If you ever run into licensing issues, or something goes amiss on the machine, they can reset the server database so you can reactive the license.
If it wasn't for cineform, I'd have dropped Premiere Pro completely and moved on to something else... something more expensive.
David Newman March 6th, 2007, 09:50 AM 1. That was answered a few days ago here : http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=87877 -- you will need at least two licenses for three installations.
2. You can easy move the license with a deactivation.
3. Unfortunately third party filters are not accelaratored by Aspect HD. Aspect HD provides the core RT filters for 99% of most production work. Other filters can be used and scrubbed for preview but they need to be render for output.
Rafael Lopes March 6th, 2007, 10:44 AM Thanks guys. I'm simply amazed by aspect hd. This software is amazing. As soon as I have some cash to spare I will buy it for sure. The footage simply
"flies" on the timeline. It's unbelievable how fast it gets...not only with premiere, but with after effect (which is usually way slower than premiere) everything is so freaking smooth. I love it!
Matthew Pugerude March 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM Has any captured in final Cut to quicktime and used Premiere to edit with Aspect HD. I have a sitution that I am going to be shooting with the JVC HD100. I can not take the camera back to my edit suite so I was going to have the owner of the camera capture the tapes to a harddrive before I left for home 3 hours away. How should he capture the files? Will this work? I guess the other big question if the guy downloaded the Beta for Mac could I then open the files in premiere given that I am using Aspect and the Mac is going to be Prospect product. I think that is right.
David Newman March 7th, 2007, 04:11 PM The files generated on the Mac can only open under Prospect HD today. For Aspect HD we will likely offer the MOV to AVI conversion through HDLink.
Matthew Pugerude March 7th, 2007, 04:18 PM So can I use HD link for this now or in the future Nevermind I get it not now but in the future
David Newman March 7th, 2007, 04:36 PM If you installed QuickTime Alternative (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm) you might be able to convert Mac created CineForm MOVs to AVI using Aspect HD HDlink. That is untested.
Jim Gunn March 27th, 2007, 05:20 PM Is anyone getting away with using Aspect HD with Premiere Pro on a P4? I know this represents the very lowest minimum system requirements, but I have a 2.6 Ghz Win XP system and was wondering if it would run Aspect HD with Premiere Pro 1.5.1 that I already have on there assuming my hard drives are fast enough 7200 rpm and with a Gig and a quarter of ram.
Steven Gotz March 27th, 2007, 05:29 PM I ran Aspect HD with Premiere Pro 2.0 on a 3GHz P4 up until late last year. So yes, it works. I had run with Premiere Pro 1.5.1 prior to that.
Pete Bauer March 27th, 2007, 05:35 PM Same here; I used to run a P4 3.00 with 2GB of RAM. It'll work, but my experience was that even with AspectHD more than a couple of longer tracks started to bog it down. I'm pretty sure a 2.6 will work acceptably if the project doesn't get too complex.
But honestly, getting yourself a Core2 system is a relative bargain and will make life in HD-land so much happier, especially if you do complex projects or any After Effects work!
Steven Gotz March 27th, 2007, 05:37 PM You want to have some fun?
Buy a dual or quad core, add 4GB RAM, a 10K rpm system drive and a RAID0 for video, with one more drive for scratch disks.
Use Aspect HD and it flies like the wind!
Lemeng Zhang March 28th, 2007, 11:43 PM Hi everyone, I can't decide which HD software I should buy, CineForm Aspect HD or Avid Xpress Pro HD? I'd been working with Adobe Premium Pro 2.0 for a while, and tryied Cineform for few days ( but I didn't get chance to export to see the final video result ).
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
Bart Walczak March 29th, 2007, 04:27 AM What is your input source and format?
Lemeng Zhang March 29th, 2007, 10:17 AM Hi Bart,
Currently, my footage is Sony FX1 HDV1080i format, in the future I'll probably go for JVC HD200 30P or 50P.
Thanks!
Michael Barrette March 30th, 2007, 04:45 PM Currently using Premiere Pro 2.0 with new system (fast for a notebook, but still a notebook). I'm having serious trouble with exports, everything else seems to work fine with HDV.
If I spring for the Aspect HDV, is this going to help speed up and make my exports work great? Specifically, HDV - Tape and HDV - WM9 HDV or other back up method. Also web video export?
Is Aspect the right tool for this, or do I need to get Canopus ProCoder for this?
If so, is Aspect really only to help me speed up the HDV in the timeline and be able to work with more layers etc? OR is it that in addition to a better coder? Do aspect users often also purchase ProCoder or does Aspect do most of what Procoder does?
Thanks!
Michael
David Taylor March 30th, 2007, 08:03 PM Michael,
Aspect HD is really about a few things:
1. Higher visual fidelity for those who use a multi-generation workflow, are doing compositing, keying, or other image manipulation operations. You generally don't want to render back to MPEG.
2. Accelerated editing experience in Premiere Pro. You can do many more layers with CineForm files than with native MPEG editing.
3. Special feature support, such as extracting 24p footage, direct-to-disk capture from HDMI sources.
4. Compatibility with other apps for those who need to move their content around.
Aspect HD does not really accelerate your exports. The main NLE app is in charge of that.
Earl Thurston March 31st, 2007, 05:43 PM ...I have a 2.6 Ghz Win XP system and was wondering if it would run Aspect HD with Premiere Pro 1.5.1
Yes, I'm running the same configuration. It's perfectly suitable for my requirements.
Bart Walczak April 2nd, 2007, 06:24 AM Have you ever worked with Avid? You might find it a little bit restrictive if you are used to the interactive timeline in Adobe Premiere Pro (that's my take on it). I would personally opt for Cineform.
Paul Wags April 2nd, 2007, 09:11 AM There is the 8 bit Canopus HQ codec as well.
It handles real time colour correction better than Aspect HD.
Aspect HD leaves real bad banding in some shots.
Well it does on our underwater footage...so much so we dumped it.
David Newman April 2nd, 2007, 09:25 AM Any banding of 8-bit (yes underwater shots are hard) is cured in the next release of Aspect HD and Connect HD, it was never an issue in Prospect HD. We are rolling in many of the codec enhancement of PHD into the 8-bit products. A lot of updates to be made available in a few weeks time.
Dmitry Yun April 10th, 2007, 12:01 PM I was wondering what the difference was between the two, they seem to serve the same purpouse. Am I understanding this right: so Connect HD is optimized for Vegas and Aspect HD is more of an Adobe Premier Pro friendly plug? So If I get Connect HD right now and have Vegas 7 installed, will it serve the same purpouse as Aspect HD would with Premier Pro? And will Connect HD give Premier Pro a boost in HDV editing capabilities since PP can handle avi's?
Thanks in advance.
David Newman April 10th, 2007, 12:16 PM Aspect HD includes all the feature of Connect HD, but also includes real-time effects, transitions and a playback engine for Premiere Pro. If you are using Premiere Pro you should be looking at Aspect HD. Aspect HD is 2-3X faster than Connect HD because of the timeline acceleration tools. Connect HD alone doesn't really work well with Premiere.
Dmitry Yun April 10th, 2007, 12:20 PM Thanks for the quick and thorough respnse David. I will be looking into Aspect HD, try to get some funds together and go ahead and get it :)
Alan Mills April 10th, 2007, 04:23 PM This evening I've been in an out of HDLink and Premiere pro 2 a few times. Suddenly, whenever I start HDLink or a Cineform project in PPro2 My copy of Aspect HD is asking for activation (i.e. the four buttons appear at the bottom of the splash screen). I now seem to have 15 days left!!
Did I do something wrong? How do I tidy this up?
Alan
David Newman April 10th, 2007, 04:35 PM Contact support to fix this for you. We believe that is a Microsoft automatic update that is messing with our activations on a few PCs.
Alan Mills April 10th, 2007, 05:31 PM Thanks. Solved by support in a just a few minutes. A simple re-activation using previous codes does the trick.
Curious that I was missing my 'Activate.exe' file though so had to uninstall and re-install first but no hardship there.
Please pass my thanks on to the support team as I can't say thanks to them without re-opening the 'ticket'.
Alan
Douglas Turner April 10th, 2007, 07:04 PM Yep - I had this a couple of times recently too... had to re-activate each time, but fingers crossed it hasn't occured again. Not a big issue, just odd.
Alan Mills April 13th, 2007, 10:09 AM I just had this again and it might just be a coincidense but I suspect not. It occurred this time directly following a crash of Premier Pro 2. You know the abnormal condition and must exit and on restarting you get a 'Copy of <my project>" file open. And I did have one of these the other night too.
If anyone can substantiaite this as more than a coincidence maybe it's worthy of a line or two in a local FAQ???
Adam Lieber April 18th, 2007, 08:42 AM I recently made some tests using the HVX200 with the trial version Aspect HD using Premiere Pro 2.0, which all worked very well.
I have a shoot coming up and we are thinking of shooting on the Panasonic AJ-HDX900P. I'm considering purchcing Aspect HD for this project.
I'm just trying to get my head around this
1 - will apsect HD support the footage straight of the HDX900?
2 - can I capture directly from the camera via firewire as with the HVX200?
3 - if not and I shoot to a FIRESTORE or bring the footage into premiere pro 2.0 off a hard drive, will aspect HD support the format the HDX900 shoots in?
Thanks
Adam
David Newman April 18th, 2007, 11:02 PM The HDX900 will only work with Prospect HD via HDSDI, we don't support streaming DVCPRO-HD, yet we do support P2 based DVCPRO-HD media. If the FireStore operates like it does with the HXV200, then you can bring that material into HDLink to batch convert it.
Brent Graham May 3rd, 2007, 07:27 PM I'm a proud owner of your V4...Love this program. Wouldn't enjoy my Canon A1 without it.
I'm gonna upgrade to V5 before August. But for now, I'm wondering what the slow-mo addition is about. How's that work? There isn't much info on your website.
Would I get anything usable from 24f? Or does it take 60i HDV and turn it into 60p DV?
It sounds cool, so I wanna know more!
Thanks,
B
David Newman May 3rd, 2007, 09:46 PM So do I. What are you referring? Slow motion support is the same between v4 and v5.
Ian Savage May 4th, 2007, 05:13 AM Having just installed V5 I am getting an error message as PP 1.5.1 starts up, it's a direct X issue, tells me it can't find libguide40.dll and I have no playback on the timeline within prem pro.
All was fine with 4.3, I uninstalled it before loading in V5
Frank Pitsikalis May 4th, 2007, 09:01 AM I had the EXACT same problem. I copied the libguide40.dll (from \Program Files\Commion Files\Cineform) into the Premiere 1.5 directory (\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere Pro 1.5) and it allowed PPro to start up without the error message.
Once in Premiere though, the playback was FUBAR (<space> and <enter>) did nothing.
I could scrub the timeline manually by dragging the Current Time Indicator but that got old real quick.
As I just suffered a month of not being able to resolve an issue with Cineform Support on my Windows x64 machine I went out and bought a new box based on XP SP2 (32-bit) to get running again.
Seeing the announcement about V5 I thought I would do a fresh install with that. You can imagine my immense frustration after a clean install of Windows and PPro 1.5.1 to be back to having unusable issues with Aspect HD with PPro.
I have uninstalled V5 and installed the latest version of V4 and I'm finally editing again!
David: Is this a known issue with a quick fix?
David Newman May 4th, 2007, 09:14 AM We haven't heard of this, but we will be investigating.
Brent Graham May 4th, 2007, 05:52 PM I guess I thought is was some speed ramping filter, or option.
But maybe it just means that it works even when I slow my footage down?
Ian Savage May 7th, 2007, 02:46 AM Well I followed the handy guide above to get rid of the error message, worked a treat so many thanks for that :-)
Then seeing as V5.0.1 is out I thought I'd give it a go, so I uninstalled V5, installed V5.0.1 and low and behold I have playback on the timeline now so whatever is in the new release solves the problem.
Ian
Jaromir Pesr May 15th, 2007, 11:57 AM Hi,
I know it is not officially offering. But is there any chance to upgrade from Aspect HD to NEO 2K? We've got two Aspect HD licencies (we even upgraded from 3.x to 4.x) and I'll be happy to have a chance to swap them both for NEO 2K with some bonus. We do not need Prospect realtime funcionality, NEO 2K seems to be far enough for our post workflow. So, is there a chance?
Thanks for answer
Jaromir Pesr
i/o post
Prague
David Taylor May 15th, 2007, 12:37 PM Jaromir,
Yes we can work something out with you. Please send me a separate email at dtaylor at cineform dot com
Stacy Rothwell May 16th, 2007, 10:47 PM Hi!....
When I try to install Aspect 5, it gets about 1/2 way then says CANNOT FIND PLUGIN FOLDER.
I had CS3 installed at one time but it is long gone. How can I get this to work? I have to export a file today.
Thanks
Stacy
David Newman May 17th, 2007, 08:55 AM Yes installing CS3 will break CS2 for any further upgrades. Here is the patch
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=676535&postcount=2
Denis Danatzko May 17th, 2007, 05:47 PM Aspect HD came installed on my computer when it was delivered from the vendor.
I have a serial number, and an activation key, but I have no installation CD.
I want to download recent updates (I'm at vers. 4.1.3 build 61 now) and want to get to the latest version of 4.X.
I've downloaded the updated zip file, but have not installed it yet.
I've been told to uninstall my current version, then run the zip. My concern is if something goes wrong, or I want to return to the old version. Without an installtation CD, how would I do that?
And, is the zip file a complete install that will work with my current activation key and/or serial number? Or, is the zip simply an update/patch to my existing version? If the zip messes something up, I'll have nothing to use, and I don't want to have to pay for Aspect a second time.
Help/advice from others who've been successful with the Cineform update process is invited.
David Newman May 17th, 2007, 06:04 PM The zip contains a full install, it will use your existing activation, so as long as you don't request a deactivation (why should you?) you will be fine. You vendor should have given you a CD, but in the unlikely event you wanted build 61, we can get that for you.
Denis Danatzko May 17th, 2007, 06:40 PM my vendor is 4videoequipment. Henry says he is a big fan of your products, and could get it for me, too, if I needed it.
THANKS.
Denis Danatzko May 17th, 2007, 07:18 PM Also, before the uninstall, Start/Programs had a ccneForm item. That is no longer there.
How do I get HDLink back?
Denis Danatzko May 17th, 2007, 08:04 PM I'm not getting the EC-ERRORABORT msg on the one large clip I've been working with.
T H A N K S, CineForm!!!
David Taylor May 17th, 2007, 10:23 PM If tech support or these forums don't solve a problem, sometimes it's the touch of "magic" that we sprinkle on our products that does the trick....
Denis Danatzko May 18th, 2007, 06:17 AM such fairy dust. In my mainframe programming days, I'd use some myself from time to time. Good to know it's still available.
Thanks, again.
Jim Gunn May 20th, 2007, 09:15 PM Is it not possible to purchase a DVD version of Aspect HD ver 5.0? Or is it solely for download only?
Giroud Francois May 21st, 2007, 12:49 AM a Disc version is probably available, but would be useless soon, since the updates at Cineform are coming at fast speed.
So you would be obliged to download anyway the latest version update (that is the full product) soon or later.
And the donload is relatively small.
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