I'm shooting an event in 2 weeks using 1080 HQ settings. I'm planning on a few slo-mo scenes and I wonder which approach is best:
1) Stay in 1080 and produce the slo mo effect in post from normal HQ footage
2) Shoot overcrank 720 and uprez the footage to 1080 in post, to fit in whith the rest of the project
3) Some other clever idea that hasn't occured to me
Thanks

I would prefer solution no. 2

#2

over cranking @ 720 and upressing will result in image with much better motion quality. upressing may cause some softening but my guess is that it would be less noticeable then the softening and motion blurring you get with most NLE slowmotion effects.

Yeah... I'm thinking I will do #2. That's what I've done before- and it does always look a little soft
I could shoot it in 720 & it would really be a no brainer, but I will have some delivery on Blu Ray, and the 1920 just looks so good- I don't want to give it up.
Maybe I'll do some of each, put it on BD & just see what I get.
Thanks

Another option is to shoot the portions you want in slo-mo at full 1080 but at 60p (or does it only allow 60i?). If you're doing a 30p or 24p project you can have your NLE software use the 60 fps footage at the slower frame rate, effectively making it overcranked. Might not be as straightforward as up-rezzing but should work okay. I know Phillip Bloom is using this technique to shoot slo mo on the Canon 7d (which has no overcrank).

I've not done this myself but I think it would work. I should try this out as a test so I can state this with more certainty. :)

Another option is to shoot the portions you want in slo-mo at full 1080 but at 60p (or does it only allow 60i?). If you're doing a 30p or 24p project you can have your NLE software use the 60 fps footage at the slower frame rate, effectively making it overcranked. Might not be as straightforward as up-rezzing but should work okay. I know Phillip Bloom is using this technique to shoot slo mo on the Canon 7d (which has no overcrank).

I've not done this myself but I think it would work. I should try this out as a test so I can state this with more certainty. :)

As far as I know the EX-1 does NOT shoot 60p at full 1080.

I stick with 1080i, it is less noticeble than all of a sudden the picture looks so soft, it will blend in better, beside we live with 60i slomo for years, unless your project call for a totally different look at that time then do 60p.

Slow & Quick Motion Recording
—NTSC Area
Video format Recording frame rate
HQ 1080/30P 1 to 30 fps
HQ 1080/24P 1 to 24 fps
HQ 720/60P 1 to 60 fps
HQ 720/30P 1 to 30 fps
HQ 720/24P 1 to 24 fps
—PAL Area
Video format Recording frame rate
HQ 1080/25P 1 to 25 fps
HQ 720/50P 1 to 50 fps
HQ 720/25P 1 to 25 fps

Cheers!

I stick with 1080i, it is less noticeble than all of a sudden the picture looks so soft, it will blend in better, beside we live with 60i slomo for years, unless your project call for a totally different look at that time then do 60p.

Pictures don't suddenly look soft as soon as you go to 720 (maybe they will a bit if you're viewing on a cinema screen). I guarantee that an audience viewing on even a fairly large TV would never even register a difference.
And I don't think it's true to say we lived with 60i slomo for years - I certainly didn't, I shot on film that went to 150fps.
Steve

Pictures don't suddenly look soft as soon as you go to 720 (maybe they will a bit if you're viewing on a cinema screen). I guarantee that an audience viewing on even a fairly large TV would never even register a difference.
And I don't think it's true to say we lived with 60i slomo for years - I certainly didn't, I shot on film that went to 150fps.
Steve

Final product he said will be on BD, anybody that has a BD player will have a decent size HDTV, and yes it will be a big drop in resolution and they will notice it right away on any 55" or more, even my wife and kids can see it, unless his client is watching it on a small 42" then they probably won't, I think the majority of shooter here shoot video and not film so that is why I said we lived with 60i slomo for years, I think you are the minority on this forum.

Final product he said will be on BD, anybody that has a BD player will have a decent size HDTV, and yes it will be a big drop in resolution and they will notice it right away on any 55" or more, even my wife and kids can see it, unless his client is watching it on a small 42" then they probably won't, I think the majority of shooter here shoot video and not film so that is why I said we lived with 60i slomo for years, I think you are the minority on this forum.

When I have used 720 overcrank in 1080 projects it definitely looks "suddenly" soft on BR with big HDTV. That's why I was casting about for other suggestions. I haven't tried 1080 slo-mo in AE, but I used to do it with SD DV with pretty good results.
I think I am just going to have to experiment & see how it all looks.

Slow & Quick Motion Recording
—NTSC Area
Video format Recording frame rate
HQ 1080/30P 1 to 30 fps
HQ 1080/24P 1 to 24 fps
HQ 720/60P 1 to 60 fps
HQ 720/30P 1 to 30 fps
HQ 720/24P 1 to 24 fps
—PAL Area
Video format Recording frame rate
HQ 1080/25P 1 to 25 fps
HQ 720/50P 1 to 50 fps
HQ 720/25P 1 to 25 fps

Cheers!

Yep, so he'd have to do 1080i60 and de-interlace.

Robert - another thing if it's applicable for you. If you have Magic Bullet Suite, the Frames plug-in ( Red Giant Software: Magic Bullet Frames 1.0 (http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/products/all/magic-bullet-frames/) ) might get you better de-interlacing if you end up shooting 1080i60. I've never used it as I haven't had a need, but if it has the options to do so, it might be an interesting approach.

Another thing to try that I also haven't used (jeez - I gotta get some cred here!) is Twixter ( RE:Vision Effects, Inc. : Products: Twixtor (http://www.revisionfx.com/products/twixtor/) ). Pricey, but the regular (non-Pro) version would probably work for you, and everyone that I hear that does regular slo-mo type stuff speaks highly of this plug-in.

Definitely let us know your results, though - I know I'm interested to hear what you find out. If you were near the Austin area I'd offer up my assistance...

Robert - on second thought, since you're in Hawaii, perhaps I need to just fly out there and help you personally. I wonder if I could write that off as a business expense? :)

maybe i'm misreading but it still seems some are confusing the '60' in 60i as frames. They are fields, not frames. 60i=30 Frames Per Second.

When I have used 720 overcrank in 1080 projects it definitely looks "suddenly" soft on BR with big HDTV. That's why I was casting about for other suggestions. I haven't tried 1080 slo-mo in AE, but I used to do it with SD DV with pretty good results.
I think I am just going to have to experiment & see how it all looks.

Maybe I'll suggest to the BBC that they get rid of their Varicams for their Planet Earth style projects and de-interlace a 60i camera instead! Get the feeling I know what the response will be.
Steve

Maybe I'll suggest to the BBC that they get rid of their Varicams for their Planet Earth style projects and de-interlace a 60i camera instead! Get the feeling I know what the response will be.
Steve

Now that you mentioned Planet Earth BD, this is a excellent example of all of a sudden pictures goes to crap, I have Planet Earth Blu-ray, 95% of the time the picture quality is excellent, but when there is a scene of the crocodile jump out of the water and catch his prey, the picture all goes to crap, it was super slomo scenes, I don't know what happen there but it looks like you are watching HD then all of a suddent it goes to DVD quality, I think they had to overcrank and combination of extender for closeup make it worse, people have different taste, I would prefer the same picture quality with less closeup and not as good slomo, just my opinion.

Now that you mentioned Planet Earth BD, this is a excellent example of all of a sudden pictures goes to crap, I have Planet Earth Blu-ray, 95% of the time the picture quality is excellent, but when there is a scene of the crocodile jump out of the water and catch his prey, the picture all goes to crap, it was super slomo scenes, I don't know what happen there but it looks like you are watching HD then all of a suddent it goes to DVD quality, I think they had to overcrank and combination of extender for closeup make it worse, people have different taste, I would prefer the same picture quality with less closeup and not as good slomo, just my opinion.

The super slomo stuff was with a Photron, and it's the nicest of cameras and not really HD, that's why the pictures looked crappy. The shots either side of it would most likely be Varicam, a 720 camera, which you seem to be saying looked OK.
And all the latest blockbusters from the NHU are also largely Varicam, no 60i slomo in post in evidence.
Steve

The super slomo stuff was with a Photron, and it's the nicest of cameras and not really HD, that's why the pictures looked crappy. The shots either side of it would most likely be Varicam, a 720 camera, which you seem to be saying looked OK.
And all the latest blockbusters from the NHU are also largely Varicam, no 60i slomo in post in evidence.
Steve

Steve
Your point about 720 is well taken. I would have no hesitation in using 720 overcrank in a 720 project. As I mentioned earlier, that would be one solution for me.
The problem I have is uprezzing the 720 overcrank to 1080 in a 1080 project. That's when it appears soft on BD.

The problem I have is uprezzing the 720 overcrank to 1080 in a 1080 project. That's when it appears soft on BD.

Again, I'd just point you towards Planet Earth on BluRay, it's largely 720 Varicam and looks sort of OK to me.
Steve

Again, I'd just point you towards Planet Earth on BluRay, it's largely 720 Varicam and looks sort of OK to me.
Steve

They look great because they were consistent until they have to use a different camera, but then there are a few scenes that are just jaws droping, those might be shot with the Sony 750, the workhorse was the varicam you are right, no ones is arguing that 60i has better slomo that 60P, it just that I preferred consistent picture quality than less quality with better slomo.

there are a few scenes that are just jaws droping, those might be shot with the Sony 750, .

Don't get much more jaw-dropping than the snow leopard attack, and that was Varicam.
If there was an issue here there is no way these multi-million £ projects would have an still are shooting with 720 Varicam.
Steve