Okay, I'm a happy camper. Just got the April issue of Studio Monthly, and on page 51 is an ad for Vegas + DVD of which it talks about Vegas 6. The #1 thing that caught my attention and makes me the happy camper... project nesting!!!! :-D

I'll definately be upgrading, just for that feature alone!

From another thread at DMN:

Vegas 6

* SD/HD SDI capture, editing and export using Blackmagic Design's Decklink boards

* Enhanced multi-processor support

*DVI/VGA external monitoring

*Project nesting

*AAF import/export

*VST effects

*Broadcast WAV support and superior framerate coversions

DVD Architect 3

*Dual layer authoring and burning

*Mastering to DLT, DDP, CMF

*CSS and Macrovision encryption tools

*Photoshop layer support

*Multi-angle selection and more

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Sounds good, it's nice to see Sony adding more features that help in EDITING (unlike last year). The multi-processor support and nested projects are my reason for being excited.

close but no cigar ...

without gettin into trouble...

* Enhanced multi-processor support

((hhmm... yes.. but its more than that.... ))

*DVI/VGA external monitoring

((external monitoriing via DVI yes. vga no.. you'll just have to wait and see HOW its going to montior externally im afraid... and its not what u think.. i cant say anything else im sorry.. ))

i would suggest people dont get too excited about the leaks here coz although they may be close to accurate, there is alot more to V6 than what's being implied

HDV?????????????

<<<-- Originally posted by Curtis Rhoads : The #1 thing that caught my attention and makes me the happy camper... project nesting!!!! -->>>

Can I get an Amen!

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson :
i would suggest people dont get too excited about the leaks here coz although they may be close to accurate, there is alot more to V6 than what's being implied -->>>

Lets just hope there is some decent media management in there!

Aaron

Hello,

One thing i would like to see in DVD Architect 3, but I am not sure what this feature is called .. (Anybody know the name??) When you are viewing a DVD and click on a button, before it plays the video it is linked to, the ability to play a sound effect, and a video transition transitioning to the linked video would be nice..

Mike M.

"Lets just hope there is some decent media management in there!"

put it this way... without blabbing or anything coz i have to be REAL careful here..

with the new features of Vegas 6, i will have no further need of my Avid system... thats not an exhageration.
when its launched you will know and see for yourself EXACLTY what im talking about..

Some of the features of V6 WILL be the biggest thing to hit ANY NLE (and the Industry as a whole) in a long time, and I'll be glad to be rid of my Avid..

like i said, please dont speculate too much as V6 is going to be SO MUCH MORE than what is being suggested here.. It would do the program an injustice and would be unfair on Sony if speculation were to rise so high as to create an unrealsitic expectation on the program.

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson :It would do the program an injustice and would be unfair on Sony if speculation were to rise so high as to create an unrealsitic expectation on the program. -->>>

No speculation on my part... But if SONY Vegas 6 can't capture HDV directly from the SONY FX-1 or Z1, it'll be the biggest disappointment of any piece of software to be released in ages...

That's a realistic expectation.

Haven't Sony licensed Cineform's stuff so they can do just that?

Aaron

HDV capture within Vegas is already there..
with regard to the HDV capture integration within the actual project, you'll have to wait for the release, however considering PremPro is now patched for HDV, i dont see why V6 cant do it...

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : HDV capture within Vegas is already there.. -->>>

Please provide details, because I am unable to capture HDV directly to the Vegas media pool or timeline...

Importing clips from ConnectHD's HDLink tool don't count, as that's a third party tool. And setting the FX-1/Z1 to DV mode is also a non-solution....

N.B. I currently use ConnectHD to capture HDV, and it's the best capture tool for HDV of those I've used....

close examination of pre-release info says BMD, NOT Cineform. This was also announced last year.

Lets hope it can capture the new Panasonic dvcproHD.
Black Magic Decklink (BDM) support will be superb. Not just hdv, but hdcam and others. cool. I can live with Cineform since they are planning to support all the hdv formats out there. But I can speak only for myself.
I'm also hoping for DX9 support for plug-ins. DX7 is way out of date.
OpenGL wouldn't be bad either, but thats a nice to have.

If they add media managment (a la Acid Pro 5), the news folks might even get interested in this one. MSDE is an easily available database for developers, even works fine on laptops. At least they used a standards based approach for management instead of something proprietary like some other companies do.

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson :
with the new features of Vegas 6, i will have no further need of my Avid system... thats not an exhageration.
when its launched you will know and see for yourself EXACLTY what im talking about.. -->>>

That would be awesome but I am not going to hold my breath. Avid is a lot of things to a lot of people. For some reason, I just dont see Vegas having matchback but I am all for any new features Sony is willing to throw us. Multicam (group editing in Avid) would be nice as well but I just dont see Sony doing that for us.

This will be the longest two weeks ever in my life.

We already have the best multi-cam tool around available - just not included with the Vegas download. Does work directly on the timeline, though.

Ed, I definitely agree there. I was treating it as Vegas and Avid and what they offer out of the box. After Excalibur, Ill never do it any other way ever. Cheers on an awesome program.

One last thing I think is very important for Vegas. Re Start the Student pricing program. When it was available, I convinced at least 20 college kids to try it out. Unlike the student versions of other software, not ony was it affordable, but legal to create professionl work. When they heard us talk to grandly about it, and how it was way more affordable than a Mac solution, the word started getting around.

Adobe and others learned this a long time ago. Get your foot in the door no matter what it takes, then get them on upgrade pricing for the rest of their life.

Maybe not include AC3 with DVD Author or something to keep the price below 300 , since most of them don't have the money to set up a surround editing suite anyway.

I really believe Vegas was making great inroads at that time.

Actually you can get student pricing at places like journeyed.com and others. As long as students can prove they are students, they can get the entire package for around $200-250. Thats what I did last year. :)

How'd this turn into a student pricing thread...

I dont know but I was answering his question. I figure we will have alot of these threads up until its finally released which could not come soon enough.

I'll be happy with Vegas 6 if only it supports DVstorm 2 and JVC SR-VS30U Decks

You're never going to be happy, then...

"You're never going to be happy, then..."

ROFLMAO

and who would really want Vegas6 to support a HW module anyway..?? when u see this bugger perform everything else will be obsolete.. .

if u want to use canopus fx, dude, just go grab a copy of Edius Pro 3.. it does all the effects the storm2 does and rendering is VERY fast

Man I hope Vegas 6 is a pile of crap, cause I really wanted a reason to move to Final Cut Pro and a Mac and not have to use a PC ever again.. ;)

Aaron

Looks as if Canopus discontinued the Storm 2 card...

<<<-- Originally posted by Mike Moncrief : Hello,

One thing i would like to see in DVD Architect 3, but I am not sure what this feature is called .. (Anybody know the name??) When you are viewing a DVD and click on a button, before it plays the video it is linked to, the ability to play a sound effect, and a video transition transitioning to the linked video would be nice..

Mike M. -->>>

Dvd Architect 2 can do that by using End Actions

So like in ya menu stick the transition video in then from that video have the End Action play the actual video the menus says
then even on the end of that put a End Action to play another transition before returning to the menu if ya like.


I want DTS in Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 !!!!

http://www.vegaseditors.com/ has some box shots of Vegas 6. Not sure if they are real or not, cool anyway though :)

response to Phillip Jackson post..

<<<-- Originally posted by Mike Moncrief : Hello,
<<<-- Originally posted by Mike Moncrief : Hello,

One thing i would like to see in DVD Architect 3, but I am not sure what this feature is called .. (Anybody know the name??) When you are viewing a DVD and click on a button, before it plays the video it is linked to, the ability to play a sound effect, and a video transition transitioning to the linked video would be nice..

Mike M. -->>>

Dvd Architect 2 can do that by using End Actions

So like in ya menu stick the transition video in then from that video have the End Action play the actual video the menus says
then even on the end of that put a End Action to play another transition before returning to the menu if ya like.


I want DTS in Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 !!!!

In response..

No I do not think that end actions will do what I am thinking of..here is an example.. say you are looking at a DVD, and it is a looping menu.. at any given time when you click on a menu button, there is now a transition between the looping video and the next piece of video.. that transition might be a page peel,crossfade etc..If you do an endaction and jump to another piece of video, there will not be a transition(of your choice) between the piece of looping video you are currently viewing and the next piece of video you are going to..
I have seen this effect on some commercial DVD's..in effect it is allowing transitions to be part of DVD Architect to allow you to transion to your end action..

Mike m.

Mike,

I think i know what you mean, but i doubt it would be possible with the dvd format. you want like a full motion backgroup loop to be able to transition with like a fade or wipe at any given time of that loop, right? which would require the dvd player to have to do the transistion which is not possible (Some one please correct me if i'm wrong)

Name some titles of DVD's as examples of what you want to do

"I want DTS in Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 !!!!"

I dont..
reason being is that a DTS software encoder is about $2000AUD and licensing the trademarks.. well to tell u the truth i havent been bothered even lookin into that.. i dont understand how they can justify an encoder to be that expensive..

on top of that if u were to be producing DTS, you MUST also provide the audio in either Dolby Digital or PCM, as these are mandatory formats for DVD, whereeas DTS is an elective.

DVDA3 will have a new feature which (as i mentioned in another thread) will make maestro obsolete.
at the moment there are afew issues with DVDA2 and title sets with end actions gettin chapters confused and resetting to zero at every title.. this thing youre wanting to do is possible using title sets, however be aware that the whole dvd structure will need to be based on titles and chapter within titles, as opposed to a singular title which is alot easier to work with.
Things will change though.....

dont forget we're only up to number 6.. theres still along way to go... what i want is to have an Avid Mojo DNA type Hardware accelerator... as oppsed to something like a storm/NX or RTx100...
now that would kick ass.. but then again, if Vegas goes hardware, we have conformity issues to deal with... id rather the flexibility of throwing shit on the timeline and gettin it all done on the fly without fuss... thats the beauty of software :)

<<<
"I want DTS in Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 !!!!"

I dont..
reason being is that a DTS software encoder is about $2000AUD and licensing the trademarks.. well to tell u the truth i havent been bothered even lookin into that.. i dont understand how they can justify an encoder to be that expensive..
>>>

Well I would like to be able to handle DTS as well.
I think DTS almost allways sounds better on DVD.
The $2000AUD looks a bit high, found a cheaper DTS encoder from surcode. From their website:

"The DVD version of SurCode DTS, providing similar functionality at 44.1kHz and 48kHz for DVD-Video creation, has dropped to $499 USD."

I don't know about the licensing, but if you could put DTS on your DVD with Vegas 6/DVDA 3 it would rock!

DTS algorythms are very differnt do Dolby.
DTS "sounds better" due to its wide dynamic range and higher bitrate, there is of course the low pass rolloff which cannot be helped which can in fact ruin the delivery, as DTS does have clipping issues.
In lamens terms, although it seems louder, the dynamic range compression is not as tight as DD (which is why it sems louder), therefore causing a wider spread in the sound causing a physical disturbance in the speaker output, in turn may even cause distortion to your output.
DTS is only good if engineered properly

I was looking at getting a nuendo/cubase rig set up for this.. but for the amount of work required... i am still at crossroads...

to be honest, Im happy with DD as it is..

Hello,
It is very possible, as I see it on commercial DVD's all the time..

Mike

of course DTS is possible :)
but it must be supplied with a mandatory audio format like Dolby Digital or PCM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : DVDA3 will have a new feature which (as i mentioned in another thread) will make maestro obsolete.-->>>

I guess that means it's getting register access. If that's not what you're inferring, then Maestro certainly won't be obsolete.

I understand that this can't be commented on, but believe me, if I'm reading your hint correctly and Sony *finally* made this a real authoring tool with a decent amount of flexibility, nobody will celebrate more than me.

-Brent

I hope I can have 4 angles with DVD architect, that would be
sweet to make a DVD that can have angles like:

1. original camera footage

2. letterboxed footage

3. color corrected footage

4. final movie, with effects etc.

That together with multiple audio channels for the different audio
stages would be great to show my family and whatnot on how a/
my movie is/was put together.

I hear that Vegas 6 will get a new button titled " turn this movie
into a masterpiece " <g>

You'd have to have a short film with all those angles, eh?

I'm just hoping that they sort out the ac3 encoder issue.

I used to have the ac3 encoder (softencode) installed a few years ago for other projects. This is before Vegas could produce ac3 internally.

anyways...

Now, if I were to create a multichannel (we're talking 12 audio tracks) ac3, I get stupidly blown out clips which are clearly glitches within the encode as the rest of the wave is seen to be quite low.

Im actually sending the whole project to my contacts as this has been an ongoing issue.

It's the metadata. DVDA has issues reading metadata within the ac3 and it's driving me insane. It used to only be dvda2 which had this problem, but it turns out that its both. Take out the metadata and the issue is not as profound (two distortions as opsped to 17 with metadata), but it is still there.

This is a MAJOR problem which needs to be adressed. At the moment the encoder is up to V7. Here's hoping version 8 is sorted.