Here's a cool little Flash video (requires Flash plug-in) which shows you exactly how the Sony M10 HDV deck loads and operates. It's about the size of a Mac Mini. If you're curious about this deck, you should check this out. Thanks to Mike Curtis of HD For Indies for the link.

no linky : )

http://www.dvdstudiopro.ch/m10e/

I wish this deck was about $1000 cheaper. I'd love to have one, but I couldn't spend the mone on it knowing that I could have another FX1 for the same price.

Dang! Always forgettin' to include the link -- thanks Bryan,

It's a nice deck, basically it's just a Z1 without a camera, menus function the same, even the screen is the same. It plays very nicely with FCP express both in and output.

It is very small!

It cost us the same as our DSR 25

so where is that flash type link?


filip

After three years of using my cameras as VTRs, I'm going back to actual VTRs, because it's heck on the heads. I'm sending the HD10 back in to JVC to get fixed.

heath

the Plus to this deck is that it adds Component Ins to the equation.

Component in is only Standard Def. Also the deck doesn't take big DVCAM tape - what were Sony thinking??

Graeme

no way!
Are you serious? That's insane. Seriously.

I agree, how dim is that?

heath

I also thought the tape mechanism looked rather camcordery. Still, I think the key thing the deck is missing is SDI. With that in place it would have integrated into anyone's existing HD workflow - without it, and with still no Firewire to SDI converter on the market, it cannot slot directly into existing HD workflows.

Graeme

Yes but it only costs £1850 UKP what on earth do you expect for that price!

The mechanism is very "camcorder like" because I think it IS a camcorder mechanism, looks like it was lifted straight from the Z1, hence the low price.

I would imagine Sony will have an SDI HDV deck at NAB but it will cost significantly more, after all how much does the cheapest SDI DV deck cost?

I doubt Sony will have a more pro deck coming out. I don't know why they didn't adapt a DSR-11 or DSR-25 type mechanism? When I queried the Sony Canada guy about it, he didn't say anything, but there was a lot of readind between the lines going on, but the one thing I seemed to pick up that was with HDV, that was sort of about it. As for the addition of SDI, I think Sony could do that very affordably if they wanted to, especially when you look how little BMD SDI cards cost these days. I suspect that a) the deck really comes from the consumer side of the company (hence camcorder mechanism and no big tapes) and b) Sony are still trying to avoid errosion of pro sales.

At last NAB they talked about the Miranda Firewire to HD SDI converter for HDV, and I've still not seen real product. With such a box anyone could drop HDV into a pro workflow in about 15 minutes. I wonder why Sony are leaving such a critical component up to a 3rd party?

<<<-- Originally posted by Sean M Lee : the Plus to this deck is that it adds Component Ins to the equation. -->>>

i do not understand this - you are talking about hvr -M10?

maybe is my english - but is are you saying that M10 has component input?

filip

<<<-- Originally posted by Graeme Nattress : Component in is only Standard Def. Also the deck doesn't take big DVCAM tape - what were Sony thinking?? -->>>


Graeme,

about component - in case of M10 - component is definitelly HDV and SD depending what you are sending thru component (downconverted or not).


filip

<<<-- Originally posted by Graeme Nattress : ... and with still no Firewire to SDI converter on the market, it cannot slot directly into existing HD workflows. -->>>


Graeme,
one more thought:

if you are talking about Standard Definition solutions firewire-SDI, you can find a lot of it of course, but i understand that you are talking about hdv firewire to HD SDI converter? correct?

in my opinion, for now - the best solution is to go thru component out (HD) and use decklink multibridge as far more cheaper solution than analog HD -->HDSDI converter standalone.
[decklink approx 2000$ comparing to approx 2800$ just for analog HD-->HDSDI small (but good) converter.]


filip

about component - in case of M10 - component is definitelly HDV and SD depending what you are sending thru component (downconverted or not).
filip -->>>

Filip,
It sounds as if you are thinking of the Component Outputs. We were discussing the INPUTS at this point. The M10 does have Component Inputs (according to Sony's website info).

Going component on a high def digital video is just plain daft in workflow terms. At NAB 2004 Sony said there would be a Firewire to HD SDI converter from Miranda. Where is it?? It's practically vital in workflow terms. It's also meant to do deck control, isn't it? Or is that another converter that Sony were talking about. I loose track.

Graene

<<<-- Originally posted by Sean M Lee : ... We were discussing the INPUTS at this point. The M10 does have Component Inputs (according to Sony's website info). -->>>

well,

i cannot see this. the unit is just in front of me and i can't find it. NO COMPONENT INPUTS.

if you need a picture of the back side of my M10 - i can send it to someone who can publish it. (or maybe i should send it to chris?)

i didn't checked INSIDE the M10... but who knows.
if you need it - i WILL check this also.

filip

Filip sent me the pic...so much for believing the online specs from Sony!

HDV Ins/Outs (http://www.moronthrottle.com/images/HDVDeck.jpg)