View Full Version : Best way to move things in Vegas


Glenn Gipson
February 20th, 2005, 09:01 AM
I hope this question makes sense….

What is the most efficient way to move everything on the time line, both sound and picture, either backwards or forwards when I want to inset/delete footage into the middle of my scene? Thanks.

Rob Lohman
February 20th, 2005, 09:21 AM
If you turn on auto ripple it will do this automatically for you.
Otherwise there is also a Vegas plugin available with which you
can select everything from the cursor on and then move it all
together.

Josh Bass
February 20th, 2005, 09:50 AM
Cause I feel like it, I'll chime in.

Rippling rules, but be careful. I have screwed up a project in literally a matter of seconds by forgetting to turn it off. I usually turn it on when I want to insert/delete something, and have everything move accordingly, and then try to turn it off again right after. Sure, you can just "undo" the changes that screw you, but nevertheless, I say turn it off when you don't need it.

Also, seems like most of the time you want to select the option to ripple all tracks, events, etc., so that EVERYTHING on your timeline moves, and not just the track you're actually. . .uh. . .operating on at the moment. Dig?

Rob Lohman
February 20th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Very good point Josh! I've had the same issue. Turn it on when
you need it, and then turn it off directly after you're done! <g>

Gary Kleiner
February 20th, 2005, 12:31 PM
>Turn it on when
you need it, and then turn it off directly after you're done<

That's why I NEVER use auto-ripple. Post-ripple is a lot safer.

Ctrl/F
Ctrl/Shift/F

Gary

Josh Bass
February 20th, 2005, 12:33 PM
Who is this post ripple you speak of? What does he do?

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 12:59 PM
I usually leave rippling turned off as it *can* create undesired results if you're not careful. Sometimes I'll use Post Ripple Editing but more often I'll select the desired events using the Select Events tool in Tsunami.

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 01:03 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Josh Bass : Who is this post ripple you speak of? What does he do? -->>>

Basically, just doing the edit with ripple turned off remembers what rippling WOULD have done. You can then ripple after the fact by using variations of the "F" key. Do a search in the help file for "Post-Edit Ripple".


Press F after an edit to ripple the affected tracks, press Ctrl+F to also ripple markers, keyframes, and envelopes. To ripple everything after an edit, press Ctrl+Shift+F.

Patrick King
February 20th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Mr. Troxel, you're the best. I've been using Vegas for years and didn't know about Post-Ripple until you wrote about it here. I guess one of these days I'll have to actually READ that dang User Manual. Was this in one of your newsletters? I missed that one if it was. Thanks for participating in this board!

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 01:45 PM
I don't specifically recall discussing post ripple editing in the newsletter but may have mentioned it in passing - I'd have to look at them all. However, it IS very useful.

As Gary said, I never use ripple editing. Post Ripple is MUCH safer.

Gary Kleiner
February 20th, 2005, 09:32 PM
>Mr. Troxel, you're the best. I've been using Vegas for years and didn't know about Post-Ripple until you wrote about it here.<

Yes, Mr. Troxel is a super guy, however I am the one that first mentioned it in this thread.

But, who's keepin' score? :-)

Gary

Patrick King
February 20th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Gary,
Sorry man. You know I appreciate your participation in this forum also. In fact I'm looking at three of your instructional DVDs on the shelf above my computer. Was that covered in your DVD? I've been meaning to watch those again! I've found I learn about three ways from you marvelous Vegas training products. First I get an awareness of all Vegas can do. Then I use them to help me through my first use of a new feature I've not used before. Then I occasionally use them to intentionally make me stretch and use something I think I won't really use in my workflow. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes I find I've been overlooking a jewel.

Thanks for all you, and Edward and others do to help us mere mortals.

Gary Kleiner
February 21st, 2005, 12:25 AM
Patrick,

Glad you like my Vegas Training.

Ripple editing is covered in the Vegas 5 Companion, Disc 2, chapter 31 (not that I rememberd that, just looked it up in the index).

Gary

Patrick King
February 21st, 2005, 07:46 AM
Gary,

I've been meaning to ask you about that. On your Vegas Video Editing (for Vegas 4.0) you included a 'Table of Contents' on the back cover of the insert which was VERY helpful. That let me stop what I was doing in Vegas, pop in your DVD and cue up the piece I wanted to review and go right to it.

Any chance I can talk you into posting a printable (PDF or Word) Table of Contents for you new series 'The Vegas 5 Companion'? The series is amazing in its depth, quality and completeness. But I would find it even more useful with a roadmap. If you already have a 'Table of Contents' in any form (full page or DVD insert size) it would be helpful.

Sorry for begging. I've enjoyed your product but sometimes find my self avoiding it because it takes so long to find which DVD I'm really lloking for.

Edward Troxel
February 21st, 2005, 08:22 AM
The complete index is posted on the website:

http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com/video_v5c_index_learn_sony_vegas_5_with_the_vegas_5_companion_index.pdf

Patrick King
February 21st, 2005, 08:25 AM
OK. I'm suitably chagrined. I be shutting up now!

Lorinda Norton
February 21st, 2005, 10:05 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Patrick King : OK. I'm suitably chagrined. I be shutting up now! -->>>

No! Don't "shut up!" I've been waiting around for a Vegas 5 training event because I learn better if someone is with me, but now I'm thinking I'll order Gary's DVDs. Thank you!!!

Patrick King
February 21st, 2005, 11:06 AM
Lorinda,

Definately order them today. They paid for themselves on the first DVD and there are five in the Vegas set and two in the DVD Architect set. Great value, excellent instruction, and now (or since published) a VERY useful, printable index!

If you don't get these, you're either a pro already or you're not getting your money's worth out of Vegas.

Lorinda Norton
March 21st, 2005, 11:02 PM
This thread veered waaayy off topic and I'm sorry, but I've got to give a big THANKS to both Gary and Patrick. I just ordered "The Vegas 5 Companion" training DVDs last week (got 'em within three days) and have already learned some great stuff!

Gary, your teaching suits my way of learning perfectly. Within just a few minutes I was thinking, "So, that's how that is supposed to work!" (Keeping in mind that I'm not too bright, but still...)

And Patrick--thanks for the endorsement of Gary's DVDs. With all this help, I may become a decent editor yet!

Magnus Helander
March 27th, 2005, 06:40 AM
almost 4.000 views, you can download the "Vegas Shortcuts and Mouse gestures" which is a 3-page quick reference from

http://www.modernafilmer.se/se/vegas_keys.pdf

The reason it is not updated for 5.0 is that a HD crash wiped (among many other things) the public domain KeyCap font used, and I have been unable to locate it again. (KeyCapsTCIF and KeyCapsExtraTCIF)

All the keyboard commands are the same by default, event if v5 allows you to change them.

/magnus

Graham Bernard
March 27th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Don't forget the LAssoo tool to select bunches of events for moves. Damn fine Tool! Damn fine Coffee!

Grazie

Lorinda Norton
March 27th, 2005, 10:36 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Graham Bernard : Don't forget the LAssoo tool to select bunches of events for moves. Damn fine Tool! Damn fine Coffee!

Grazie -->>>

You tell 'em, Cowboy!! Rope 'em and keep the herd together now! That's the one I use most often for this job.

Graham Bernard
March 27th, 2005, 11:07 AM
And it's A Yahhoo from me Too! - Just a lil ole Cowboy from London Town!


. .at last! someone with some humour . . thank you Lorinda!

Lorinda Norton
March 27th, 2005, 11:43 PM
So, the wild stories about "The Lil Ole Cowboy From London Town" are true!

Careful with that humor talk there, Grazie. People have called my brand "peculiar." You wouldn't want to risk falling in that category, now would you? : )

Dennis Vogel
April 6th, 2005, 09:01 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : I don't specifically recall discussing post ripple editing in the newsletter but may have mentioned it in passing... -->>>

If not it sounds like a good topic for a future newsletter. I remember seeing the numeric keypad cursor movement keys described in one issue. Any other keyboard shortcut "families" would also make a fine topic.

Good luck.

Dennis