Hey guys I have a paper to write in my film class. I need t opick a film to write about. This is a funky format class and I don't know many experimental movies. I have to pick a film that doesn't give us what we expect from it. Like memento, irreversible or russian ark.. I need titles of those movies which are made not for hollywood .. Can anybody help ?? ?thanks

marcin,

try with ZBIGNIEW RYBCZYNSKI.

the one and only - he recieved the oscar for his animated film "TANGO" in 1983 (if i'm not wrong).

sometimes he signs his works as ZBIG RYBCZYNSKI

other works:

- orchestra
- kafka
- 4th dimension
- manhattan
- steps

and many, many more.

since you are polish (at least origin) this will be really nice to try.

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the following sentence is in polish - just simple info that marcin - if he want may send e-mail message to me in polish language:
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marcin, jesli chcesz, napisz mi mejla to ci powiem wiecej o rybczynskim. dzieki


filip

You could do David Lynch with -
-Eraser Head
-Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me

David Cronenberg
-Videodrome
-Naked Lunch

Terry Gilliam
-Brazil
-Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

just to name a few

What was the name of the film that was mostly rotoscoped and animated.... "Waking Life" ?? thats a good one.

Thanks guys for the replies... I will look for those movies and watch it. I heard that Eraser Head was good .Anyways, thanks.

Filip I will write you an email soon ok?:))

Bye BYE
`Marcin

I can't think of a more recent experimental movie than Dogville .

Russian Ark wasn't made for Hollywood, and it was definitely
experimental (in the camera department).

i'm not marcin's professor, but i think of experimental film in a different way. for me it's really more rybczynski style than russian ark.

does anyone know any of rybczynski's films?

oh, i remembered one - you couldn't miss - video for john lennon's "imagine" - no computers, just priecise "endless" movement - and OLD highdefinition camera - (1125 lines)!
from left to right endless rooms all in white, with manhattan in background.

this video is probably least experimental in his works.

check this link - maybe you can recognize this video

http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/werke/imagine/

also this

http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/works/nowa-ksiazka/

and this

http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/werke/steps/

enjoy!!!!

he is real genius!!! just check WHEN (which year) all those films were made!

sorry - maybe i'm annoing, but just found another link.

i will NOT post today any new rybczynski's link, promise :))

http://www.pesarofilmfest.it/pesaro2003/img/sito/fotohires/rybczynski/tango.jpg

maybe you will recognize now...?

thanks

filip

Haha, that single screen shot actually did it for me, I saw that YEARS ago when I was a kid. It starts with a boy's ball bouncing in the kitchen right? And then more characters keep being added to it, like the burglar. It is experimental, but it is a short, is it not? I think to write a paper you would need a feature length film.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mitchell Stookey : It starts with a boy's ball bouncing in the kitchen right? And then more characters keep being added to it, like the burglar. -->>>


yes, it starts with a boy and a ball.

that's the one. and it's short - yes. about 10 minutes i guess.

but i didn't recognized that marcin needs to write about full lenght feature film. if this is the case - then try to find KAFKA by rybczynski this is 1h or something. *there is also another KAFKA but not directed by rybczysnki, kind of more "normal" film.

filip

Well it doesn't really have to be full lenght film . I have to be able to interpret the message that film has to offer through the way it is made. In last class we watched GEORGE. About two guys walking in desert. That was something increrible:) Well ok thanks guys I will take a look at the titles you gave me and choose something possibly today:) Thanks

Marcin

Don't you mean "Gerry"?

of course it was gerry:

http://www.thezreview.co.uk/posters/g/gerry.htm


marcin! next time i WILL send an info to your professor:)

because "GEORGE" IS NOT THAT movie you mentioned

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066660/

:))))

and definitelly NOT THIS "george"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106008/

:))))

filip

hahaha holy crap sorry about that. I ment Gerry.. hah I guess I didin't pay attention in class. Filip thanks for the other george movies you suggest heh :P

so how is your writing marcin?

try Sergei Esinstein's October or any of his earlier works or any of the "sky" from early Russian films. they are VERY experimental and i'm sure there are books written on exploring them... but it could get boring researching it =). twas boring watching propaganda.

try the movies of terrence davies
he's an english cineast who made some revolutionary films like 'distant voices,still lives'. realy remarkable movies.

would Blue Velved by david lynch be considered???? Someone told me to try this one.

well ' Blue Velvet' is not exactly experimental anymore i think . he's just doing the same and the same all over. but hey if you're a fan of david lynch i think you'll like it in a personal way ,and if you are taking a movie of him better to take eraserhead.

btw distant voices still lives will blow you away, also try to see ' in the mood for love '

My friend told me to take something different that professor expects.. Professor probably watched earaser head 10000 times... So he may grade it harsher.. Just a thought

well i said to see it for personal reasons and if you had to choose one i'd choose eraserhead because blue velvet is more famous and more watchable and less experimental because its all the same in lynche's movies. eraserhead started it all and blue velvet is merely a stilistic follow up.well if you need anymore help just say so

p.s here are some more films i think that are ''experimental''

-coffee and cigarettes from jim jarmush
-dead men also from jim jarmush
-short cuts from robert altman
and many more but for the moment i cant remember them

It's Dead Man ;-)

And you write I with a capital letter, Dimi ;-)

Welcome on the boards dimi :-p

I think it's funny how anything non Hollywood is considered "experimental". Very strange. I guess "experimental" is anything that hasn't been done rather identically a thousand times over.

Stan Brakhage:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000087EYF/ref=ase_immaculate-books/102-5318356-9899355?v=glance&s=dvd

The Brothers Quay:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6305957681/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/102-5318356-9899355?v=glance&s=dvd&st=*

Order- From Cremaster 3:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000A1HPL/ref=pd_sim_dv_1/102-5318356-9899355?v=glance&s=dvd

Decasia:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00013F2ZY/ref=pd_sim_dv_2/102-5318356-9899355?v=glance&s=dvd

Chappaqua:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1572525517/qid%3D1108424304/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-5318356-9899355

Fando & Lis:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005Y7WW/ref=pd_sim_dv_3/102-5318356-9899355?v=glance&s=dvd

Interesting/experimental/weird films

Un Chien Andalou - Luis Bunuel
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020530/

Mulholland Drive - David Lynch, not really experimental, but different.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/

Eraserhead - also Lynch
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074486/

Meshes of the Afternoon - Maya Deren
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036154/

Koyaanisqustsi (part 1 of a trilogy) - Godfrey Reggio
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085809/

the know what ''i'' mean you sexy thing ;-)

btw we know each other :-)

would Monty Python's Flying Circus be considered as something experimental?? I think I will have a problem with this paper.. I will watch eraserhead because I have acces to it and see, and I'm bad on writting papers:/ Well we will see.

For Filip Kovcin -- man, you and I have a lot in common. Not only an admiration of Lev Kuhleshov, but now Zbigniew Rybczynski! I am a huge fan of his -- one of the original "video artists," in the same league as Ernie Kovacs. Wow!

chris,

we MUST talk about it. what a coincidence, or it's not... :)

i adore rybczynski's films and once i even talked to him for 7 hours, just about his films, aproach, solutions of certain "tricks" etc, many of his films i analized FRAME BY FRAME... but this is maybe not for this forum.

if you want - you can contact me via my normal mail, and we can talk about his movies etc. i'm sure we will have a LOT to discover and share!

filip

hey guys I watched eraserhead and I will write paper about it. It is kind of hard t ointerpret this film ... Well there are many ways to explain this whole situation.. Can anybody help me with this???? Any ideas???? Filip I will look for Zbigniew Rybczynski's films I'm sure it is good stuff.

well one thing i know is that the environment was based on lynch's his collegetime.he had to live in an industrial zone so it tells more about his experience there about the loneniless.About the baby i think its about his opinion about the hypocrisie in the society.well thats about i know about it

<<<-- Originally posted by Marcin Tyszka : Hey guys I have a paper to write in my film class. I need t opick a film to write about. This is a funky format class and I don't know many experimental movies. I have to pick a film that doesn't give us what we expect from it. Like memento, irreversible or russian ark.. I need titles of those movies which are made not for hollywood .. Can anybody help ?? ?thanks -->>>
Do you mean amateur films? I have a few amateur Polish films, I guess you speak polish, because your name seems to tell me that. You can contact me at antonibohdanowicz@hotmail.com, and i'll try to send over a film if you want it. Cheers, Antoni