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James Hurd
February 8th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Here's a link to the one I used:
www.micro35.com/reschart.pdf

I dig Jushua's chart, I just don't have to to re-shoot them.

I've noticed that the Vegas program really compresses the video caps. Oh well.

Jim Lafferty
February 8th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Vegas outputs uncompressed PNG from the timeline if you set the Preview to "Best(Full)" and save as PNG. You shouldn't see any compression under those conditions.

James Hurd
February 8th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Hey Jim,
I did that but I still see a pretty big difference in the footage as its being played from the camera (during the video capture) from the still .png cap. Jagged edges etc...

Jim Lafferty
February 9th, 2005, 12:44 AM
Hmmm, could it be a motion sampling issue? In other words -- the look of footage always strikes me as better than still grabs because of the interframe motion, especially where interlace artifacts are concerned (those jaggies...)

At any rate, I don't think Vegas is compressing the images -- have you gotten better results with the same footage in other NLE's?

- jim

James Hurd
February 9th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Haven't tried. I'll try premiere next time.

Thanks Jim

Cosmin Rotaru
February 9th, 2005, 09:19 AM
You need to take a snapshot of a static image or use a real progresive camcorder to take full resolution snapshots. If you recorde interlace, then you need to deinterlace the snapshots to get rid of the jaggies. But you will also loose resolution, even with the best deinterlace algorithms available. You can set Vegas to deinterlace snapshots, or use some other application (like Photoshop) to deinterlace the interlaced snapshot! :)

James Hurd
February 9th, 2005, 09:23 AM
I'm shooting progressive. (DVX100A)

Cosmin Rotaru
February 9th, 2005, 09:51 AM
A! Don't mind me, then. I thought you shot interlaced... You should get perfect snapshots from progresive material. I don't get it. Vegas project is set to progresive and all? I don't think it matters, anyway...

Leo Mandy
February 9th, 2005, 10:26 AM
I believe even when using progressive, the footage will still conjure up interlacing problems. You have to de-interlace the footage afterwards.

Aaron Shaw
February 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
James are you recording in 24p? If so you could be encountering normal interlace from the pulldown.

There should be no need to deinterlace at all.

Ivan Hurtado
February 9th, 2005, 03:33 PM
I went today to a photograph shop and asked about the autofocus Nikon lenses. They got their own ring to use the iris in manual position! I dindnīt know this before. This is what i was looking for, range is awesome big, finding from expensive to affordable prices. I donīt care about breathing since lot of big (more than 100.000 €/$!) bugdet films have this issue too, So, where is the problem?

I saw canon lenses donīt have this sweetness option since they changed the mount. So even if Nikon lenses are manual or autofocus they will be able to play iris games. And if they run from 200€ or 300€ anyway its a real well good investment of money because you can use them for photography and video. Im on Nikon... and Fuji (I saw this 12 megapixels babe and canīt take it from my mind).

Canon always giving problems...

Is it a good option then (the best)? What all of you think about the Nikon lenses? Iīm just jumping from my chair thinking about the Micro on my lady and one of those beauties over them!

Aaron Shaw
February 9th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Nikon lenses are the best. They're high quality, relatively inexpensive and can be quite sharp.

The best thing about them is that you can mount any Nikon lens to any Nikon body. No other manufacturer that I know of has done this. Canon is especially bad in this regard coming out with lenses only for a specific camera and then dumping them when they produce newer products.

Auto focus lenses can be used in full manual mode. You're not stuck with only auto focus.

James Hurd
February 9th, 2005, 03:47 PM
I agree. Now that I've got Canon taken care of, I'm trying to find a source for metal the Nikon mounts.

Ari Shomair
February 9th, 2005, 03:48 PM
Ebay is a good place to find cheap Nikon Lens, you need to watch out for lenses which are scratched or have mold growing inside them. I got a very nice manual 50mm/1.4 off ebay from significantly less then my local camera store.

Leo Mandy
February 9th, 2005, 10:00 PM
James,

I was just checking out your website - you said you have different grades of GG - are you making them yourself or buying?

Also, you mounts for the SLR, in the guide, are you going to tell where the best place to buy them? I am also assuming that the price is still the same for the parts to buy - you said $45.00 originally for all the part and $35.00 for the guide right? I see that the guide has gone up, but has the parts list gone up to?

Thanks

Kyle Edwards
February 9th, 2005, 11:40 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Mandy Leo : James,

I was just checking out your website - you said you have different grades of GG - are you making them yourself or buying?-->>>

It is mentioned many times within this thread that he is having them made through a company.

Obin Olson
February 10th, 2005, 07:36 AM
I am ready for an adaptor! when will things start to ship James?

Jim Lafferty
February 10th, 2005, 10:03 AM
Reading this thread is like like watching Steev's movie in slow motion...

Keep up the good work, James :D

Maheel Perera
February 10th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Will your adaptor be compatible with Sony HD FX1?. I have registered at your site. But so far did not receive any upgrade. (I follow your progress daily) No date fixed for the release of your manual?.

Steev Dinkins
February 10th, 2005, 10:33 AM
LOL

Aaron Shaw
February 10th, 2005, 10:46 AM
=D =D =D

Obin Olson
February 11th, 2005, 09:43 PM
Updates on the Book James?

James Hurd
February 11th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Obin, I got the latest draft of the guide with the drawing updates today and approved it for printing.

I think I've got an appointment with a new Sony HDV camera! We'll have some updates on that next week.

Looks like I'm going to release a softwre video monitor with recording capabilities. It will have different aspect ratio frames and a video flipper for the micro35 devices. Anyone interested in something like this?

Obin Olson
February 11th, 2005, 11:20 PM
I don't understand "software video monitor" what the heck is that James? you mean a program? or?

James Hurd
February 11th, 2005, 11:28 PM
Yeah, Kind of like dvrack.

Obin Olson
February 11th, 2005, 11:29 PM
so a firewire monitor that can record the image on a drive? and show it the right side up?

Joshua Starnes
February 11th, 2005, 11:30 PM
If the price points about the same or less than DV Rack, sure.

What made you decide to go that route.

And have you had any luck with an XL-1 solution?

James Hurd
February 11th, 2005, 11:40 PM
I haven't got my hands on an XL1 yet.

I've had the video code for a while, I've just never had a reason to finish it after DVRack came out. Now, I've wanted to have the framing capabilities and the video rotate feature and no one has it. Yet.

The price would be a fraction of the cost of DVRack. Maybe $50 or something like that.

I dug it out tonight and played around with it some. I did a couple of frame templates. It looks pretty good.

If any of you guys are interested, I see that it gets finished...

j

John Sandel
February 12th, 2005, 12:10 AM
I'm interested.

Would this putative miracle be a Windows program? If so, what would the minimum hardware requirements be?

Details, James---details!

James Hurd
February 12th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Windows. If you can capture video from your camera, it will work on your computer.

EDIT:
If you're interested, please email me. I don't won't to go too off topic here.

Obin Olson
February 12th, 2005, 12:23 AM
having a ""computer" while shooting would be a pain in the butt..what we need is a MICRO ATX or ITX computer system with an LCD on the front so it's an lcdscreen/computer all in one that can be mounted on the dvx100 micro35 system

I for one don't want a laptop dragging around with me while I shoot...


oh and BTW justt ad a FAST USB 2 port and harddrive and the reel-stream system and you have a 100,000$ 4:4:4 12bit camera system for under 6 grand ;) ;)

James Hurd
February 12th, 2005, 12:30 AM
I don't really want to either. But for the price of a good hi-res video monitor, you can buy a laptop that can perform more functions than a monitor.

I've thought about taking some of our hi-brighted lcd 10.4 displays at work ( www.efueling.net ) . It would be awesome, but would be quite expensive for everyone.

So far I've been trying to provide solutions for the low/no budget indie folks, so I'm going to try and stay on that track.

Although, you could certainly run the program on a micro ATX with a firewire port.

Obin Olson
February 12th, 2005, 12:36 AM
you can get cheap LCD screens.....I have a touch screen that is 1024x768 for around $300...not bad and the ones without touch are cheaper....

Obin Olson
February 12th, 2005, 12:54 AM
james are you using this:

http://www.formatt.co.uk/dvt/default.asp

in your photos?

When do you think you will ship the book and have all the parts ready? I am really needing your unit!

Forgot to ask ..are you using a CD-ROM for your GG? I hope not as i don't think the image is as good as it could be with a better GG...

Jim Lafferty
February 12th, 2005, 10:07 AM
Give it a rest already, Obin. Let the man do his work and, as John Carmack would say "It's done when it's done."

- jim

Joshua Starnes
February 12th, 2005, 10:41 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : Forgot to ask ..are you using a CD-ROM for your GG? I hope not as i don't think the image is as good as it could be with a better GG... -->>>

I think he said he's using custom made GG.

You know, Obin, once this and the reel-stream product are widely available, its going to put your DIY HD camera project out of business.

Ivan Hurtado
February 12th, 2005, 12:41 PM
I donīt think James wants to put Obinīs Cam out of the way... I will be interested in both, as they complement so well. Unless Obin go directly to 35mm mount. Then i have my XM1 wich is what im using now very happily though.

And the Andromeda itīs still on the way. Plus, you have this new thread going around... Something about Panaīs leak of news (hehehe). Very interesting indeed. Itīs the good thing about competition. I donīt own a DVX so Andromeda is not interesting for me, Obinīs is.

Anyway... Im Looking for the program too. I have a Spanish version of Asus 12 inches laptop. Itīs just 1ī2 with 40 gigs. but i hope it makes the way to it.

Obin Olson
February 12th, 2005, 04:57 PM
I don't think this is going to have an effect on me...first off my camera is 1080p uncopmressed. I can dial in any frame rate you want. I will have a GG adaptor inside the camera so that all you use are 35mm lenses..WITH 35mm DOF and you can set your widescreen from 1 pixel high to 1080..oh and I am using the Altasense and CMOS chips..much more "film" looking then ccd IMHO...I have no worries...if what I am doing gets some fire under the butts of the "Big Boys" that makes me feel even better...I am not out to make a BIG buck but help provide a solution that is NEEDED.

I hope you see my POV.

Aaron Shaw
February 12th, 2005, 05:23 PM
I think you're probably quite right Obin. I don't see it wiping you out at least.

Plus, you have this new thread going around... Something about Panaīs leak of news (hehehe).

It has been _confirmed_ by Jan Crittenden that the new camera will be DVCProHD which is 100mbs (screw HDV). Pretty nice! I suspect it will only be 720p though.

Kyle Edwards
February 12th, 2005, 08:40 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Aaron Shaw : It has been _confirmed_ by Jan Crittenden that the new camera will be DVCProHD which is 100mbs (screw HDV). Pretty nice! I suspect it will only be 720p though. -->>>

That'd be one gig per minute at 720p at 30fps. I wonder how they plan on working around that. Have a link to the information you are going on?

EDIT: Nm, found it.

Eric Gorski
February 12th, 2005, 10:51 PM
i love obin... and his camera... well.. especially his camera..

Maheel Perera
February 12th, 2005, 11:04 PM
I am also very much interested in Obin's Camera. But let's get back to James's Micro 35 please.

Steev Dinkins
February 12th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Amen

Joshua Starnes
February 13th, 2005, 01:08 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : I hope you see my POV. -->>>

Oh, I do, and I eagerly await your camera just like every one else around here. I was just needling you a little bit. :)

James Hurd
February 14th, 2005, 12:21 AM
Weekend Update:

Got the OCT19 Mount Finished...

Check it out:
3D-Model www.micro35.com/oct19/oct19.zip
www.micro35.com/oct19/back.jpg
www.micro35.com/oct19/side.jpg
www.micro35.com/oct19/rail_matte.jpg
www.micro35.com/oct19/micro35.pdf

Here's a pdf of the final "Pre-Assembled" rails. It's shown with the OCT19 mount. It looks small in the picture but the mount is actually 4" in diameter.

Doing the OCT19 mount has proven to be huge step forward. It allowed me to fit the micro35 with a real matte box and follow focus unit. So I ended up having to design this rail system.

I've gotten plenty of requests for the software monitor, so it looks like its a go.

John Sandel
February 14th, 2005, 12:28 AM
The stills look good, James. The 3D model link led to a "Page Cannot Be Found" message.

James Hurd
February 14th, 2005, 12:32 AM
Try now. I zipped it.

Added the .pdf too.

John Sandel
February 14th, 2005, 01:56 AM
Both links work fine now. The 3D model is well done.

When I unzipped the .exe file, I couldn't run it on my G4 Mac. What am I missing?

Kyle Edwards
February 14th, 2005, 02:33 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by John Sandel : Both links work fine now. The 3D model is well done.

When I unzipped the .exe file, I couldn't run it on my G4 Mac. What am I missing? -->>>

a PC.

Justin Neri
February 14th, 2005, 07:35 AM
quick question...
I have a canon L2, the quality is pretty decent..but im thinking about getting a dvx100a. This adapter is a must.
do i really need a top of the line camera if im gonna use the adapter? 3k is a lot of money for me to dish out. plus i have a lens for the canon with a built in macro that is super powerful.
-so should i get the dvx for use with this system or will it be overkill? will it give me the same output when used with the adapter?