Its a bit early yet......

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=75505

Does any manufacturer make a burner that I can put in my FCP tower to save footage so I don't depend on hard drives. Can I keep the duel durner in my second slot.

...or an external burner for my G5 would be nice.

I see B+H photo do one for $1250! Cheap as chips!!
I just Googled it.

Andrew

http://kotaku.com/gaming/blu+ray-shocker/sony-pictures-to-include-portable-movie-files-on-bluray-dvds-227862.php

I hope this will be as good as the article indicated.

Still expect DRM, guys.

http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/products/main_3_ENU.html

Would I be right in saying that this isn't as rosey a picture as they are making out. It says "Create HD DVDs and DVDs for playing on a home player "
I may be wrong but, are there only a few Blu-Ray players out at the moment, and from what I underatnd, they don't play "HOME MADE" discs?

Anybody actually using this with successful results?

if it says create HD DVD , in no ways it concerns Blu-ray products.

Last night I had to wake the wifey up to share what for me was an important moment. With my new Panasonic Blu-ray player I was finally able to play a BD-RE disc at 1080P on my 42" Westinghouse. I've only seen the BD-RE material on my 720P 23" studio screen before, where it did look good, but this was something else.

The footage was shot with my 350, and it looked comparable to anything I've seen over HD satellite or on commercial BD or HD DVD. Very fulfilling. We who have this camera made a very good choice, it's almost hard to imagine how the picture could be significantly better.

The workflow was via FAM into Premiere with the MainConcept plug-in, then I rendered a "movie" and use Vegas to kick it up to a 1920x1080 format that Roxio DVDit Pro HD could use. I couldn't get this stage to work in Premiere/MainConcept, I kept getting 1440x1080 and it played back tall and skinny -- not saying it can't be done, just that I couldn't yet.

It's been over a month since I did this, so sorry about the non-specificity, I'll take decent notes when I do this again, but there IS a workflow that never has to go below 35 Mb/sec and ends up at 40 Mb/sec on the BD-RE and yields really satisfying 1080P playback.

Tip

That's good info Tip, thanks for sharing. I was rendering a wmv file out of Vegas last night and wound up with the same tall skinny (1440X1080) appearance even though the wmv template was for 1920x1080.

-gb-

Here's how I did it. I imagine that this could be done much more simply if you're editing in Vegas, if so just capture/edit in Vegas and render your finished timeline as in step #4 below. But the following is how I did it since I'm not up to speed on Vegas yet.

1) Ingest clips as described in Premiere Pro 2.0 with MainConcept MPEG 2 plugin at 35/Mb/s via FAM.

2) Complete your edit of the project on the Premiere timeline. Export as movie using MainConcept XDCAM HD preset adjusted to highest quality and 35 Mb/s. This is still 1440x1080.

3) Import this "movie" file into Vegas and put clip on timeline.

4) Render as Microsoft AVi at 1920x1080, and adjust all the various dialog areas for the best quality, this will output a large uncompressed file at the stated resolution. It is interlaced but my TV's resolution readout says that it is progressive, that is 1080 lines. It reads out true interlaced 1080 sources such as Dish Network HD as 540 lines, so I do think this workflow is delivering progressive frames via BD.

5) Open DVDit Pro HD and bring the AVI file in via "add movie." Set the output for the highest data rate, etc.

6) Burn the Blu-ray disc. The resulting disc may not display your menu, it didn't display mine.

7) A menu workaround is to create a one second or so blank title (black video) in Vegas and render it as the same 1920x1080 AVi. In DVDit Make this "Movie 1" and the main movie "Movie 2". Right click on Movie 1 in the project tree window and select/mark it "first play." Now give Movie 1 an end action of "go to menu 1" or whatever menu you want at the beginning.

8) Pray. My DVDit Pro HD is now giving me the same stupid error message "Pathname is invalid - 19005" that it did some time ago, can't find or remember the solution. So I haven't been able to test the menu workaround yet. But the rest of the workflow does work.

9) One more thing, pray again, this time that Nero or Sony or Adobe or anyone besides Sonic/Roxio will release a Blu-ray authoring/burning solution that is reliable.

Tip

Seven months ago I complained here about "Limited Success: HDV to playable Blu-Ray"

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=75505

Well Sony released firmware 1.55 for the BDP-S1 player to support user burned projects on BD-R and RE media....but only for BDMV projects. (those having menus etc.)

Meanwhile Sony Storage Solutions distributes the BWU100a drive with Cyberlink BD Solution software that seems to make only BDAV projects (simple ones with no menu)

So at another's suggestion, I purchased Roxio DVDit Pro HD this morning ($500) and by late afternoon had my oldest, 99 minute HDV project playing on my Sony BDP-S1. No installation hitches, Great suggestion.

I chose to write to BD-RE media as temporary measure till inkjet printable BD-R is available. Both TDK/Primera and Verbatim, I believe, have promised them.

My workflow was as follows
Footage taken by my Sony HDR-HC1 is HDV so mpg2 at 1080x1440 60i
Heavily edited in PremierePro2.0 with the fabulous Cineform 4.1x plugin
Output via Cineform as if to put back into camera: .m2t file at HDV's native 25mbps CBR video with 384kbps audio.
These archived files were broken back to elementary .mpg streams with REmux_TS (free from a guy in Japan, just google for it)
At least for my first project it seemed to want to transcode that back to 24mbps...so it took 6 hours in total. I'll have to see if I can skip transcoding in the future.
I flattened a Photoshop file for the menu (1080x1920, square pixels) and brought it in as a menu background and used Roxios navigational arrows and linked them to chapter marks I made. I had 20 chapter marks but only 9 buttons on screen.
The project played and looked great on my 52" 1080p Sharp Aquos.
The project DID NOT PLAY on my editing station's Cyberlink PowerDVD6.6BD software, but that application may only like BD-RE/BDAV projects. No big deal, I only edit on that machine.

Folks, Blu-Ray for mortals has arrived!

The post below indicates resolution on two fronts.
The Sony BDP-S1 plays user created BD-R/RE, but only BDMV projects.
The Cyberlink software with the Sony BWU100a only makes BDAV, so
I purcahsed Roxio DVDit Pro HD

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=89040

See my post here on using this

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=89188

when will there be a Blu-ray stand-alone recorder(possibley with a built-in hard drive) for saving my HDV videos?

(something that will be sold in the US/Canada)

Thanks!

dear friend i use my hdv sony hdr-hc3 video camcorder , i wont product a dvd hd application as blue ray disk or hd dvd.
my sw nle is sony vegas 7 .
i don't know the correct procedure for make a file mpeg2 compliant with sw authoring dvd (move factory 6 plus) or (dvdit pro hd)
i hope you help my.
tkanks a lot
marco

Video clip hdv to hd dvd or blue ray disk ???

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dear friend i use my hdv sony hdr-hc3 video camcorder , i wont product a dvd hd application as blue ray disk or hd dvd.
my sw nle is sony vegas 7 .
i don't know the correct procedure for make a file mpeg2 compliant with sw authoring dvd (move factory 6 plus) or (dvdit pro hd)
i hope you help my.
tkanks a lot
marco

I use Pinnacle studio 10.7

I do my capture/edit in vegas and I export to file as M2V/WAV. This is then imported to studio which has a HD DVD plugin that was specifically built to do what you ask. It's very easy... just put your video on the timeline, go to MAKE MOVIE, and choose HD DVD, set the bitrate you want, put a disk in your drive and away you go.

I have seen nothing on the web to suggest such a device will be available soon, if at all. HDV2 (1080x1440 30i) will always have to be be made precisely Blu-Ray compliant and that takes lots of compute cycles. I would guess the industry would see that market segment satisfied by optical-disc camcorders: AVCHD on mini DVDs for now, 8cm Blu-Ray in a year or two.

dear friend, i am happy user of sony vegas 7, i work with my hdv sony hc3 camcorder, i use video capture video vegas and work with video clip m2t 1440x1080 interlaced.
when i finished my video i wont encoding it for make a blu ray disk with (roxio dvdit pro hd) or hd dvd with (ulead move factory 5 or 6 plus)

i have see a new special plugin for vegas (blu print) for make a blu ray disk.
it's free ???
i search a good solution for make hd dvd or blu ray disk with optimal quality image.
i hope your help .
thanks a lot and sorry for bad english.

:-))
marco

The HD-DVD fans talk much about putting short HD projects on inexpensive DVD media...because there is still no HD-DVD burner widely available.

Users of Roxio's DVDit HD Pro have found an easy workaround to put full HD content of of up to about 30 minutes (single layer) in Blu-Ray/BDMV format, menu and all, on a DVD. Check here:

http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=21074

Just wondering if anyone has used Toast to make BluRay disks? How good is the encoding quality, and how compatible are the resulting disks with current BluRay players?

The new Toast won't burn or encode Blue Ray video, just data. Their website is kind of deceiving if you ask me. I use encore cs3 to author my blue ray discs and it works pretty well i'd say. It's also the only program I've found that can author Blue Ray.

Hello,

I have been looking at HD cameras over the summer and looking forward to the Sony XDCAM EX.

But the more I think about it, the camera is a bit of a moot point if I can distribute the material.

Every project I do gets delivered on DVD.

I am amazed at how slow the roll out of HD DVD and Blu-Ray has been.

Burners are just starting to appear for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is nowhere to be found.

This is sort of a nightmare for us small production companies.

The owner base of HD anything might be so small that we will never be able to justify upping our production equipment.

2 out of every 10 will have an HD setup, the rest will want SD.

I am ranting, but it seems like HD has been talked about for so many years, but we are still a ways off from it being a common distibution format outside of broadcast.

I have seen HD-DVDs that come as a SD/HD combo disc.

This would help out, but can not find any info about this being available for consumers to make.

Anybody seen anything about combo discs?

Hello,

I have been looking at HD cameras over the summer and looking forward to the Sony XDCAM EX.

But the more I think about it, the camera is a bit of a moot point if I can distribute the material.

Every project I do gets delivered on DVD.

I am amazed at how slow the roll out of HD DVD and Blu-Ray has been.

Burners are just starting to appear for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is nowhere to be found.

This is sort of a nightmare for us small production companies.

The owner base of HD anything might be so small that we will never be able to justify upping our production equipment.

2 out of every 10 will have an HD setup, the rest will want SD.

I am ranting, but it seems like HD has been talked about for so many years, but we are still a ways off from it being a common distibution format outside of broadcast.

I have seen HD-DVDs that come as a SD/HD combo disc.

This would help out, but can not find any info about this being available for consumers to make.

Anybody seen anything about combo discs?

You can make HD DVD compatible discs on regular DVD-Rs with up to 20 minutes top quality video on a single layer disc and 40 minutes of top quality video on a dual layer DVD+R.

With Bluray, you can make what is called an AVCHD disc on a regular single or double layer DVD+-R as well. This uses the tighter AVCHD compression which will give you 30 minutes on a single layer DVD-R or 60 minutes on a dual layer DVD+R.

I would recommend you go one (or both) of these routes.

Thanks, but I was thinking in the other direction.

Making a disc which has HD & SD versions on the same disc.

A Blu-Ray player would read the HD or when put in an SD DVD player, the SD footage would be read.

This would help with the transition.

Can anyone please confirm the maximum length of time we can expect to successfully burn to a 25GB Disc Recordable BD-R?

All I've managed to find are a variety of statements, all of which, just say more than two hours of video footage.

I'm keen to hear from anyone who has burnt a BD-R directly from the timeline

Which Blu-Ray burners and discs appear to be the more reliable/compatible?

TIA
Neil

I was disappointed to find out that Encore CS3 does not support subtitles in Blu-ray projects.

Is this something that will be added in a later release?

Does Roxio support subtitles in Blu-ray?

David: if you don't get an answer to that question here, try posting on the Blu-ray forums at the following link. http://forum.blu-ray.com/

Anyone had any success?

Encore crashes everytime I try.

The Adobe help forums have been unusable this last week.

At last the Ulead HD power pack for Movie Factory 6+ allows authoring of Blu-ray discs in BDMV.

Umm, but the test discs I've burnt won't play in WinDVD BD for Vaio! (Even with the latest update). Anyone tried playing a disc in a PS3 or set-top disc player?

David,

I've used the slideshow functionality in Encore CS3 with blu-ray discs, and it has worked for me. Be aware that there's a bug in Encore where the still images in a blu-ray slideshow are actually scaled down to DVD resolution, then scaled up to blu-ray resolution instead of being scaled down from original resolution to blu-ray resolution - this yields slideshows that don't deliver full resolution. So, I've ended up using Premiere Pro to create slideshow timelines and then export to Encore (which then burn fine and look great).

Brent

JVC has been beaten about the ears for using .m2ts rather than .m2t. Reviewers have screamed that if they had recorded .m2t files then NLEs would have supported the camcorder.

They made this claim because they didn't know many NLEs DO support .m2ts.

And, the reviewers failed to understand that .m2ts is Transport Stream for disks while .m2t is Transport Stream for tape and broadcast. The HD7 uses a hard disk. What else uses .m2ts? Blu-ray discs do. (As does AVCHD.)

Disks/discs require 188-byte data Packets to be saved in a buffer until they are written to disk/disc. While waiting, time passes. To keep track of time, a 4-byte TC is added to the 188-byte packets. The result is a 192-byte packet. This is .m2ts. (Also called a BDAV MPEG-2 transport stream.) JVC calls it TOD which I think is "Transport-stream On Disk."

(Here's an official definition of the process: To keep the proper timing of each TS packet, a Time stamp is added to every TS packet. The time stamp represents the arrival time of the TS packet. In this way the correct timing of the TS packets during playback can be restored. In a stream, the Source packets with a length of 192 bytes (Transport Stream Packet + Time stamp) are packed in Units and the Units are concatenated into a Clip stream file.)

So if there were a cheap, fast, 50GB BD burner, JVC could pack one into the CU-VD40 case.

SAN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 9, 2007 – Sony Electronics today announced its second generation internal Blu-ray Disc (BD) writer drive which boasts 4X BD-R recording speed. The BWU-200S model cuts BD-R burning time by half compared to the first generation model, allowing for a full 50GB BD-R disc to be recorded in about 45 minutes. It will cost about $600.

So, JVC knew exactly where it was going when they went with TOD. And, it means at CES we may see a CU-VD60 that will be a USB backup device for the HD7; a BD burner for a PC; plus a BD playback unit for the home.

Im now able to answer my own question after buying a 'cheap' 40g PS3.

Ulead BDMV (with menus & chapters) discs DO play on the PS3, but Ulead BDAV (no menus or chapters) wont play on the PS3.

Does anyone know if they will sell this drive in the US? I have never heard of this brand before.

http://72.14.203.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.iodata.co.jp/prod/storage/blu-ray/2007/brd-h6/index.htm
It supports dual layer as well!

So I'm working on a project that I'll be taking my HDV footage from an FX! and the output needs to be able to be played on a Bluray player (but I don't have a bluray burner). Anyone know how to render AVCHD to put on a standard DVD using Final Cut Studio?

I'm shooting and editing in HDV and presently delivering in SD on DVD but at some time will want to burn to Blu-Ray and I'll buy a burner.

Prior, I'd like to export Blu-Ray projects as disc images or as a folder structure on my hard drive which I can play back in HD from my computer.
When I get my burner I can copy them to the Blu-ray disc.

Are there and Blu-ray software players which will read Blu-ray disc folders created on a hard drive - like WinDVD and others will play a SD DVD folder? Nero 8 is supposed to but the trial version says it doesn't recognize the files a being DVD files - they aren't after all.

To get a SD DVD software player to recognize a DVD stored in a hard disc folder one usually plays one of the *.ifo files in the VIDEO_TS folder. Which file in the more complex Blu-ray directory structure do you have the player open?

Thanks in advance

Kevin

powerDVD ?

wow, still no one has any ideas?

I have been burning BD-R's but I am having problems with about 1/2 the set top players, all sony's will not play the BD-R's.

My Sony ps3 will play them and two samsung units have played them.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Same here, been using Roxio Pro-HD, the only player that works for me (which I bought) is the panasonic DMP BD-10A...Tried about six others none worked properly. Gary

I was testing around HD contents and Blu-ray drive installed in my Mac Pro 8 Core with Toast 8 and Adobe Encore CS3 for awhile.
I had reported about making backups with Toast but saving 50GB would takes over 12 hours and dissapointed, also, I was able to burn Blu-ray with the Encore CS3, but it crashed oftenly (under Tiger) and also there was mulfunctioning issue with the timeline and the clips won't be able to playback nor browse. However, not it's time to take advantage of this internal Blu-ray drive for sure.

Last night, I noticed that Adobe had released new Leopard compatible versions of Premiere Pro CS3, Aftter Effects CS3 and Encore CS3.
It is not like Apple's online update that takes minuites to update (I guess Apple has better server scheme), so it took long to download, but it was worth the wait. I installed all of the updates and tried Encore CS3 and gave a try.
Now mostly seems to work well. Great!

So, I thrown in clips from HPX555, HVX200, Canon G1 and PMW-EX1, made some settings for browsing, and burnt the disc with no problems.
I put the disc in the Playstation 3 (Sony wants to make it as full-functioned Blu-ray player, I think, a lot of improvements in features comparing to PS2 being able to playback DVD), then everything playbacks okay!

I encoed with best quality H.264 and I'm satisfied with the quality so far.
Both 60i and 24p played back well. When you playback each different formats, PS3 makes the switch in the resolution.

I will give the report and also upload the flash content made from the same authoring of Blu-ray! That's amazing!

Glad to hear it is working. The export to flash feature is a huge plus for me when I want to show clients a sample DVD but not have to take the time to mail one to them. If they have broadband or can get to it they are set. I am also really happy to see adobing releasing updates fairly quickly for their product line and hope it continues into the future.

Here's the sample of the flash content. The clips are at their highest quality setting for the flash movie (which is set in the Encore CS3), but the dotMac speed doesn't seem to be feasible to play back smoothly, so I probably have to lower the quality.

http://homepage.mac.com/musetex/index.html

http://fastmac.com:16080/press/pr_50.php

Pretty awesome! Does anyone have any experience with these or some of the other HD-DVD/BR options out there for OSX? I'm curious to see what peoples' workflows look like from FCS.

It’s for Adobe Premiere.
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=110019

Next month Apple is rumored to update DVD Studio to support HD discs.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.macbidouille.com%2Fnews%2F2007-12-05

Best location for information on Blu ray authoring with CS3?

It seems that there is limited info on the Adobe forums.

The Blu-ray forum mostly deals with movies and players.

There don't seem to be a lot of posts about it on this forum.

I would like more info. on player compatability and settings with BDMV and BD-R.

There are lots of high def camcorders and PS3's out there. Someone has to be doing it.

Is there a way to do a frame grab of a single shot from a Blu-Ray disk?
I tried Print screen but it seems to not work when A blu Ray disk is playing on my Sony VIAO laptop.

I asume there is a way to do this?

Did you try to use Fraps?

Try turning DirectX off.