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Jesper Hallen
June 28th, 2003, 02:11 PM
I have one very annoying problem with my Premiere. Sometimes when I'm open up a saved project it is destroyed, the timeline is empty and in the list of imported files (at the left usually) it's only files named "-1". Does anyone know what this is??

Michael McConnell
June 29th, 2003, 05:40 PM
Thanks for advice---all cleared up--found it

Daniel Gee
June 30th, 2003, 12:05 AM
Scott,

Check this plugin out:
http://www.mykaskin.freeserve.co.uk/myksvideopages/plugins.html

I also had a problem using electronic 16:9 into Premiere. Using the right selection, you'll get letterbox 16:9 on a 4:3 NTSC screen.

Scott Silverman
June 30th, 2003, 12:14 AM
Daniel,
Thanks so much! That solves my problem!

Peter Moore
June 30th, 2003, 09:19 AM
I would wholeheartedly encourage you to use Avid or Vegas. Premier, I have found, is just terrible.

Arnaldo Paixao
June 30th, 2003, 09:53 AM
Hi Andrew.

I might be mistaken, but maybe the problems you are experiencing have more to do with your computer configuration than with Premiere. Maybe I'm telling you things you allready know, but you could check this:

Is your AV drive (where you store your video/audio files) at least ATA 100/7200rpm. Formated in one partition using NTFS. Currently not fragmented. A separate HDD (not the system HDD).

Have you tried uninstalling and installing the soundcard drivers.

My 2 cents. Hope it helps.

Good luck
Arnaldo

Ed Smith
June 30th, 2003, 10:15 AM
Have you got loads of effects/ transitions in your project, multi layers etc.

Does it do it with one simple clip on the timeline?

To export all your clips etc into a new project without Realtime preview:

Create a New project which is *not* realtime preview
Go file> Import> Import Project
Locate the project file, click OK
It will ask you where on the timeline you would like it placed. Tell it to start at beginning of timeline. Select OK

All done,

Hope this helps,

Ed

Scott Silverman
June 30th, 2003, 10:19 AM
Yeah, I have come to realize that. As soon as I save up, I will be buying Avid. Thanks!

David Hurdon
July 1st, 2003, 06:00 AM
I'm not flogging any NLE over any other, but the pixel aspect ratio bug in Premiere 6 is well documented - and fixed in 6.5. For those, like myself, who haven't upgraded there is a workaround from www.jeremymoore.com that gets the job done. Once it's in place 16:9 works fine from then on.

David Hurdon

Glen Elliott
July 1st, 2003, 03:45 PM
Short answer: Ditch Premiere- go with Vegas.

Seriously though, check your Premiere directory- look under the projects folder and you'll see you'll have multiple instances in which you saved your project...double click one of them from an earlier date. If the project loads fine immediatly hit CTRL+S to save.
If that doesn't work try deleting your preference file- maybe a preference file got corrupted. It happened to me once when I was finishing up a wedding....how do you think "I" felt when I couldn't even load my project without Premiere freezing...UGH!

Good luck- get back to us and let us know if it worked!

Jesper Hallen
July 1st, 2003, 04:57 PM
Thanks! I will go for your advices and see if it works. And then I will throw Premiere far away out in the desert somewhere and go for Vegas=)

Glen Elliott
July 1st, 2003, 06:44 PM
I forgot to tell you how to delete your preference file- while loading premiere hold down ALT+CTRL+SHIFT...once you get in there all your settings are back at default but you can go back and set them back up again.

John Iler
July 10th, 2003, 07:44 AM
I've been thinking about upgrading from Premiere 6.02 to 6.5, but if I did, would I have to pay again to upgrade to PRO? I called Adobe and they said if I ordered 6.5 now, that they'd upgrade me to PRO for free when it came out. If I order from them, I was told, no documentation would be necessary. If I ordered from buy.com, I'd have to send them a copy of the receipt.

One of my biggest gripes is that Adobe's "try-out" download is still Version 6.0, not 6.5 -- so there's no way for me to try out the new features. Also, Adobe won't let you order by credit card and download the update. You have to pay shipping and wait.

What is it about them? Very little of this makes sense. I've also heard a lot about instability and this product, but don't seem to have many problems with 6.0. At this point, the DV encoder (to DVD) is a major selling point. The titling stuff I can master later.

Nigel Moore
July 10th, 2003, 08:03 AM
I think many of the instability issues relate to the mongrels of edit systems out there. To some extent Adobe have tried to address this by limiting Pro to XP, and therefore newer hardware.I've been thinking about upgrading from Premiere 6.02 to 6.5, but if I did, would I have to pay again to upgrade to PRO? I called Adobe and they said if I ordered 6.5 now, that they'd upgrade me to PRO for free when it came out.Perhaps I'm mistaken, but haven't you answered your own question there? Just make sure that when Adobe say that they will upgrade you for free that they aren't referring to you buying the full version of 6.5 now. AFAIK, free upgrades only relate to purchases of the full product.

Rob Wilson
July 10th, 2003, 10:17 AM
John,

If you're interested, I've got a unopened in the box copy of 6.5 I'd be glad to sell cheap (came with my Matrox RTX100). With it, you could just buy the upgrade to pro ($199). Contact me offline for more info. BTW, I'm upgrading as soon as it's available. Really looking forward to the increased functionallity.

John Iler
July 10th, 2003, 12:07 PM
Rob: Just called Adobe again and the woman yesterday gave me bum dope. She said the 6.5-7 upgrade would be free. The fellow I just spoke with said the price of upgrading from 6.0 or 6.5 is the same: $199. He said upgrading to 6.5 is $146.

He also said Premiere 7 has been "completely rewritten" and that .avi files from DV camcorders can be readily converted to MPEG-2 with little or no image loss. He did say that 1 gig or more of memory was recommended for the PRO version. He also said the new version has none of the instability issues of the older versions.

Reckon I'll hold on and upgrade to the PRO version when it's available.

Mark Moore
July 10th, 2003, 04:23 PM
John - I want to make sure I understand.

If you own 6.0 (which I do), then you can upgrade to 7.0 for $199? If so, that's exactly what I'm going to do!

Thanks for doing the research!

K. Forman
July 10th, 2003, 04:33 PM
That is the way Adobe explains it. However, LE versions are not available for the upgrade. Go figure :)

Mark Moore
July 10th, 2003, 04:45 PM
I don't think I have LE (I'll have to see when I get home). I assume that is a "light" version?

Thanks for the confirmation though.

K. Forman
July 10th, 2003, 05:06 PM
Correct. It is the cheapie limited version.

Nigel Moore
July 11th, 2003, 03:59 AM
You can upgrade from LE, it's $399:

http://www.adobe.com/store/products/competitive_upgrade.jhtml;jsessionid=A2YDH4GRD0DVHQFI0ILBT5OAVDJBIIV1?id=PRupgrades

Rob Lohman
July 11th, 2003, 04:43 AM
First you have to decide what your target output is:

1. download/view for the web
This would mean QuickTime, mpeg or DiVX for example

2. DVD/vcd/svcd
This means mpeg2 or 1

3. Back to tape
Leave it in AVI/DV

AVI, WMV and QuickTime are just container formats. They are
there to store digital video & audio but don't know HOW to store
it. Codecs tell the container format HOW the information is stored.
MPEG is both a container AND codec format.

AVI can be uncompressed, rle compressed, DV or you can use third
party codecs like DiVX/XviD.

QuickTime has codecs like MPEG4, Sorenson etc.

If you know in which way you want to use your movie you can
then choose an approriate container format and codec.

Rob Lohman
July 11th, 2003, 06:24 AM
I've been playing with Vegas 4 lately and it seems to like my
XL1s pretty much. Do try out their demo at www.sonicfoundry.com

Rob Lohman
July 11th, 2003, 06:27 AM
I don't know of anyone using real with Premiere. Most people
output to QuickTime for the web (this seems to be right seeing
that no-one responded to your question).

One thing I learned with the Lady X project I'm involved in, is
that good web output takes a lot of trials and testing before
you get it acceptable. Not a thing to rush!

K. Forman
July 11th, 2003, 08:35 AM
I normally export to web using either Windows Media or Quicktime. I never liked Real's players, which is why I stick to those two. All I can tell you, is to use Cleaner, if it is an option, and experiment.

Nigel Moore
July 11th, 2003, 10:20 AM
You really don't give too much information as to what you're doing, how you're doing it, and your final target, so this is just a general thought.

If you want to stick with QT, the animation codec will give the best quality but large file size. The Sorenson codec will give smaller sizes with a degradation in quality. The Developer/Pro version gives you even more control.

The balance between size and quality is a judgement that only you can make.

Rob Lohman
July 11th, 2003, 11:54 AM
There was also a broking project file repair tool for Premiere. Anyone
remember which website?

Roy Roberts
July 11th, 2003, 01:12 PM
there are about 6 streaming videos on my website http:/www.home-madevideos.com
Some are real and others WMF.
All were produced direct from Premiere by exporting from timeline to save for web, and then selecting real or windows media file at broadband/lan compression. please bare in mind that all the videos were produced by me when my only camera was a sony handycam (not even digital).

Kevin Foristal
July 11th, 2003, 01:51 PM
So let me get this right. If you own 6.5 the upgrade is free? Or if you bought 6.5 in the last month? I'm confused

Gary Bettan
July 11th, 2003, 02:14 PM
The upgrade from 6.x to pro is $199.95. if you bought 6.5 (or 6.5 bundled) after June 7th, you get teh upgrade free.

Upgrade ideas:
Instead of spending $199 for the upgrade think about these values:

1) Matrox RTX.10 Xtra card. $499.95 gets you free upgrade to premiere Pro, analog & digital I/O plus Matrox real-time 3D FX.

2) Forget about getting just the Premeire pro upgrade, check out the new DVC Collection. It's $799, but you get Premeire Pro, After Effects 6, Encore DVD & Audition. That's one heck of a deal.

Gary
Videoguys.com

Peter Moore
July 11th, 2003, 04:53 PM
Are we going to get a demo of Premier Pro? Anyone know?

Rodger Marjama
July 11th, 2003, 06:48 PM
I don't think I've ever see a trial version that is not at least 1 version old -- At least since I bought 4.2 a few years back.

-Rodger

Seth Peterson
July 11th, 2003, 11:55 PM
No matter what I bring into Premiere - be it bars and tone, a MS DVI encoded clip, or anything else - it doesn't appear to be linked. Both the audio and the video tracks show up on the timeline, in sync, and they are both green. However, if I click on one, it only selects that track. Both the audio and the video do not select.

I checked all the preferences and settings - they all seem fine. I tried restarting - made no difference. I even tried using the link tool - the clips turned blue and yellow, respectively, as unlinked files normally do. Then I re-linked them. Still, I can't get the cursor to select both tracks.

Please help!

Kris Kalapala
July 12th, 2003, 12:03 AM
I think the professional version which is being referred to here goes for $1499.00.

http://www.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catVideoColl

The standard edition(DVC) is for 799.00. This does'nt include Premiere "Pro".

Seth Peterson
July 12th, 2003, 12:04 AM
I figured it out.

Scott Silverman
July 12th, 2003, 12:21 AM
Actually there is only one version of Premiere Pro. It is the same version in both the "Pro" and "Standard" packages. The only differances between the two packages are:

After Effects 6 Pro as opposed to Standard
Adobe Photoshop 7 is included in the Professional Package

John Iler
July 12th, 2003, 06:51 AM
The photos of the retail box on the Adobe site show the words "Adobe Premiere Pro" -- not 7. But the customer service rep called it "Adobe Premiere 7."

This one's going to be difficult to have a trial version as it's going to be several hundred megabytes.

Robert Knecht Schmidt
July 14th, 2003, 12:22 PM
What was the solution?

Seth Peterson
July 14th, 2003, 08:17 PM
There is a stupid little button on the bottom of the timeline...Its on the left but the furthest button towards the right. It links and unlinks audio and video.

Seth Peterson

Brian Wood
July 16th, 2003, 12:57 PM
Hey, I am trying to export a project in premiere 6.0 that is comprised of digitized analog clips. I am using the Pinnacle Pro-One system. My computer has the AMD Athlon MP 1800+ at 1.52 GHz and 1.00 GB of ram. It is running Windowns XP Professional...

Now the problem...simply put it wont work. I try using premieres print to tape feature to get the final video out of the computer. The the breakout box is hooked up to the computer via firewire and the VCR is hooked up to the breakout box via RCA cables (I have already checked to be sure all the hookups are correct) When I try and output I only get a black screen.

Thanks for helping,
Brian

Rob Lohman
July 17th, 2003, 04:33 AM
Do you have anything on the timeline that needs rendering? If
not, try playing the timeline and recording that. Does this work?

Brian Wood
July 17th, 2003, 08:16 AM
Well I had normal dissolves on the timeling, but figuring this might be the problem I exported the video as an avi file then tried to print to tape the avi file that does not contain any effects or transitions.

Adrian Douglas
July 17th, 2003, 08:59 AM
Try printing to tape using the Pinnacle DV Tools utility.

Brian Wood
July 17th, 2003, 02:21 PM
Just wanted to tell ya all that I figured it out, i did need to go through the Pinnacle programs. Thanks for helping me out.

Brian

Jeremy Greive
July 22nd, 2003, 05:48 PM
Hey Guys,

Being a bit of a novice I have a rather silly question. Have been using Premiere on my PC to make short surfing vids. I have captured all of the footage okay but when I play some of the longer clips through Premiere sometimes frames begin to drop. Not sure why because when I play the individual clips in Windows Media Player or Quicktime they seem okay. The processor on my PC is pretty quick and I have over a meg of ram. Maybe I should reinstall Premiere ? Can anyone offer any other suggestions ?

Thanks

Jeremy

Ed Smith
July 23rd, 2003, 02:22 AM
I guess by meg of RAM you mean Gig of RAM.

Jeremy Greive
July 23rd, 2003, 03:49 AM
Yes, sorry about that, over a gig of ram !!! heheh

Ed Smith
July 23rd, 2003, 04:01 AM
Hi Jeremy,

A few more Q's we might need to know.

Are you running this software only or with specific hardware?
How big are your hard drives?
What space is left on hard drives?
Have you recently defraged your hardrives?
What are your paging files set to?
Is it noticeable on a TV monitor?
Does it only happen on long clips?

I've probably forgotten a few more questions, but start with these.

All the best,

Ed

Alex Taylor
July 23rd, 2003, 11:30 AM
Also, how fast are your hard drives? What's your set up like - do you have Premiere installed on one hard drive and the footage on another?

Dane Studstill
July 23rd, 2003, 05:39 PM
I am running a pinnacle pro one rt on a windows xp pro system. I am using Adobe Premiere. I have just purchased a JVC mini dv deck for recording and playback. My problem is that I am not a picture on my second monitor (television). When I hold down alt and scrub the timeline I get a picture, but that is the only way. I am also having problems exporting to tape. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dane