I use Adobe Premiere 6. How would I seperate the left and right channels off my DV camera in order to put them on my timeline as two seperate audio tracks? When I import my stereo audio into AP6, it comes in as one stereo track. How can I make this 2 seperate tracks? When I export my final video back to tape how can I make both of the audio tracks be on both the left and right audio channels? Thanks!!

Hi Scott,

One way would be to copy the audio track and paste the copy on a second audio track. Mute the left channel on on copy and mute the right channel on the other. (Right click the audio track and select Audio Options)

Thanks Ed,
I thought of that. Then the only problem, is when I export my project back out, the left channel will still be on the left and the right will still be on the right. I need the left chennel to be on both the left and right channel, and the right channel to be on both the left and right channel. I couldn't find anyway to do this. Thanks for your help.

In that case, copy and paste as suggested above but instead of using the mute option, use the duplicate left channel command on one track, then duplicate right channel on the other track. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, this should work. I use the duplicate channel option to effectively mute the opposite channel while still providing audio to both the left and right channel.

Ed,
That sounds like it should work. I will test it to make sure, but it sure sounds like it will work.

Thanks!
Scott

Hey guys.


My XL-1s and my editing proggy seem to not like each other. Premiere will only capture one or two scenes (2-3 minutes of footage, for example) before it WILL NOT capture anymore and the application needs to be restarted, or at least a new Movie Capture window opened.


I tried using Windows Movie Maker to capture, which works, but it too gets mad at my DV.


It says 'your camera has problems, refer to your manual' or some crap. I just open a new Record (It's called Record in WMM, Movie Capture in Premiere) window and it works.


While this isn't life or career-threatening, it is irritating, and a mega time waster.



Anyone know what's going on?


Thanks for your time.

Fig

You might have a dud firewire port either on the camera on on the PCI card. Check with another DV camcorder.

Did you set the device control in Premiere to Canon XL1? or generic?

Try these and let us know how you get on.

Cheers,

Ed

What Windows system you running on? Cos, if I remember right, older versions of Windows, or even Win200 that has Hard drive FAT32 configured drives have a 4 Gig limit, as opposed to NTFS configured drives, or XP which does it automatically that can allow larger files of any size.

That could be your problem why it cuts out after 3 scenes, as its reached the 4gig limit.

Or you could have a dud firewire, but when I have had a dud wire it would not even capture to start with, not cut out after a short while.

I'm using Premiere 6.5 on XP Home.

I haven't adjusted the camera type.



It's not a size issue, either. I HAD 60 free gigs, until I cleared out the raws from my latest project. Now I have 100.

i using win 2k.

premiere 6

brand new xl1s recieved, just plug and play.

its not the cam. its software conflict or problem

-arthur

Be sure you have current drivers, and the correct type camera selected in your capture application.

i had the same problem using a gl2 with windows xp and premiere 6.5. i was able to remedy the problem by closing the capture window, then turning the camera off and on. i think this topic has come up on the gl1/gl2 forum before as well.

the solution was to use scenalyzer, which everybody seems to love but i personally prefer premiere's capture utility.

i haven't had this problem since moving to premiere pro (thankfully).

harry

Hi Teague.

Same here.
Running WIN XP + Premiere 6.5
Started to capture, capture would stop after some frames. Started capture again and would work ok. After capture, I would review the footage to find that it was full of hickups.
In despair I captured with Pinnacle Studio 8. And it worked. Just hit the capture button and that's it.
When I have the time, full of work now, I'll try understand what's going on.

The files captured in Studio 8 import ok into Premiere. Browsing through the timeline will be a bit sluggish, but that's it.

Best regards,
Arnaldo

Hey guys

I use Premiere 6.5 and have had a glitch when exporting timeline directly from a project to tape, with transitions and effects rendered (I work with an A/B workspace). I get an error message and Premiere closes completely. What I have done to work around this is export the project as a file to the hard drive, then open that file as a new project, which shows no effects or transitions, and then I can export to tape or to my encoder for dvd.

Does everybody have to do this or am I missing something?

Hi Richard,

PLease answer these questions:

Is this via firewire?
Are you using any hardware acceleration boards?
How long is the project?
does it play Ok in the timeline?
what is the error message?
Does it always do it in the same place?
How many effects are in the timeline?
What settings have you got set in Premiere?

Thanks,

Hi Ed,
Thanks for the reply.
1. Yes I am using firewire to go from computer to either VHS or DV tape in camera
2. I am not using any accelerators
3. Project lengths vary, usually 3- 15 miniutes
4. Does OK on the timeline
5. Not always same place, but always does it
6. Effects and transitions vary, but only does it when tranistions or effects are in place.
7. I usually use the preset project settings for DV-NTSC , Standard 48,000 KHz

Also:
1. Exports fine after changing it to it's own avi. file
2. I have 1 gig ram, 2.8 ghz clock speed, and plenty of space on all drives. I use a Sony Vaio, which came with firewire port and software for supporting firewire. I do not have a hardware supported (i.e. Matrox) firewire port.

Thanks in advance.

Richard

Has anyone seen my dropped frames? Last seen heading for Canada.

Hi Richard,

Ummm, how odd.

What you can do is a simple crash record to your DV tape provided everything has been rendered on the timeline and you are using DV playback.

Steps:

Simply switch your camera to VTR mode (if not already)
Render timeline (If not already)
Set the Edit Line to the beginning of the project
Press Record on your camera
and then space bar (Play) in Pemiere
Once finished press stop.

Obviously this is not frame accrate, and it won't stop on its own. But its one way possibly to get your footage out straight from the timeline without creating 1 big AVI.

Cheers,

I saw your dropped frames in London the other day...Was it them?

Wonder if anyone can help ?. I have a 10 minute film with an audio track of rock music. In premiere everything sounds great, but once I burn to a DVD and play it back the audio is all crackly and distorted. The sound is bad on the home DVD player and on the computer. Its not the volume on the computer as it sounds okay on the premiere playback, just goes bad once burned to a DVD

Thanks Guys

Use the Audio mixer to see if you are clipping the audio. If you get anywhere in the red, the sound will be clipped. You may just want to reduce the audio level across the board.

What audio codec did you use when encoding the audio for DVD?
Check the settings there as well.

I checked the audio and it did reach the red, taking it down a few dB sorted it out. What gets me is why did it sound okay in the editor, but all distorted in the DVD playback. The other tunes (which where not so loaud !) played fine.

Thanks for the advise above, I`m a happy man now.

The reason lies in the way that different codecs handle the details over 0dB.

Most of the ones set up for use with DV just cut it off which sounds horrible, or worse yet, they wrap around and sound worse.

Just keep your audio under 0dB. In fact, you may find that -6dB makes your audio sound about the same as the television stations you watch. So when you switch between the TV and the DVD, you should not have to adjust the volume on the TV.

Are you using premiere pro by any chance - this has the annoying habit of converting everything to 32 bit to give you extra headroom when processing - but this could be a symptom of what happens when it's converted back into 16bit.

Jon

Jonathan: this thread is in the Premiere forum, so he's probably
indeed using Premiere <g>

I said premiere pro, which is a lot different from all previous versions...hence the question.

Jon

Yes I am using the Pro version. Does pro have a bug that the others dont ?. It seems the obvious answer is to quieten the loud tracks down a bit. Not really something we should have to do after paying a good few hundred quid of my hard earned money.

The reason I was told for converting all the audio to 32bit with premiere pro was for better handling of audio effects, because in 32bit you can get another 96dB louder than you could with 16bit.

This is all very well but if you or I as a user aren't hearing the audio clipping as it would when playing out to dv then something's up with the design.

I'll do some tests...

Jon

I look forward to the results, as I`m sure others will.

Many Thanks

Hello All,

I just wanted to see if anyone knows of a bug with PPro 1.0 and using the group function. I can group my audio and video no problem. But, I get a "serious error" when I try to ungroup. Then I am stuck with having to reboot and after that I still cannot ungroup.

Anyone have any suggestions? I tried searching here and on adobe's site. I may have to try technical support.

Thanks,
Ron

If I remember correctly there where much problems with 1.0, that's
why 1.5 came pretty quickly. I'm not sure if it is a free upgrade or
not (don't use it myself), but I would advise you to upgrade to 1.5.

Rob, why would you advise to upgrade if you don't use the program yourself?

Ron, I just upgraded to 1.5 but before that I was using 1.0 for a short while. I never had any problems with the group or ungroup function. Maybe an uninstall/reinstall would fix it.

I would advise this since it is known that a lot of problems where
fixed in the 1.5 version of Premiere Pro. This makes sure your
version is not a problem. I'm using Vegas 5.0b, not 5.0a since it
had bugs as well that where fixed lateron.

Thanks for the quick responses - but they both don't seem to be options. I tried reinstalling - with no luck and upgrading to 1.5 is not free and I won't be able to shell out the $$ for the upgrade. I may just be out of luck.

Okay - so I'm not totally hosed. I just had to start over since most anything I tried to do after that gave me the "serious error". I reinstalled and started over and it seems to now allow me to group and ungroup.

Thanks for your help

<<<-- Originally posted by Ron Quizon : Okay - so I'm not totally hosed. I just had to start over since most anything I tried to do after that gave me the "serious error". I reinstalled and started over and it seems to now allow me to group and ungroup.

Thanks for your help -->>>

i had that one once too, and others like it when working with nested sequences. i cant get the 1.5 upgrade either as its not here in Nepal yet. Other than that i find 1 pretty stable - everyone here is using it!

jigs

Glad Ron's problem is solved.

FWIW, I felt like the upgrade to 1.5 was well worth the $99 for the additional features...not to mention the bug fixes, which I don't believe we consumers ought to have to pay for. (IMHO, it is the responsibility of manufacturers to make their products function as advertised, which is not an easy task for any of the software companies these days, given the complexities.)

Jiggy, if availability is the only thing preventing you from upgrading, you can purchase through any internet connection from Adobe's online store -- although a broadband connection would be highly desireable.

Cheers!

<<<-- Originally posted by Pete Bauer : Glad Ron's problem is solved.

FWIW, I felt like the upgrade to 1.5 was well worth the $99 for the additional features...not to mention the bug fixes, which I don't believe we consumers ought to have to pay for. (IMHO, it is the responsibility of manufacturers to make their products function as advertised, which is not an easy task for any of the software companies these days, given the complexities.)

Jiggy, if availability is the only thing preventing you from upgrading, you can purchase through any internet connection from Adobe's online store -- although a broadband connection would be highly desireable.

Cheers! -->>>

thanks pete for the news on the upgrade! there are hundreds of us here that would love the upgrade, but EVERYONE buys from the local shops for economic - and bandwidth reasons. I get my software from the most reputable dealer in town, so whatever comes into his store i buy. but as i am starting to use Premiere everyday now - i'm going to look into the upgrade - wow, 99$. the adverage national income here is now up to 256$, so that sounds like a lot of money to me.

I had the same problem with 1.0. 1.5 doesn't have it.
I found what worked is make a cut next to (or inside? can't remember) the group/ungroup clip. Then that annoying bug might fly away. The consensus is that version 1.5 is much more stable, and I have found this to be true.

I apologize if these are some extremly trivial questions, but I need some basic answers for a project I'm working on. I have been asked to compile 2 hours of DV footage, instructional material that demonstates the uses of a machine for the bigwigs of a company, and using Permiere 6.5, I've reached the point where some things I've avoided asking about have come back to haunt me.

Because of the nature of the footage, it must be faily good quality, and I plan on presenting it on DVD. However, I have no idea how exactly to export it with the best results for this. I don't understand which codec to use (someone said MPEG2?), if I should increase the frame size or not, what changes to bitrate do, the whole deal, and get it to fit the DVD size.

It's been a guessing game in the past, pick a random codec, select the quality percentage, and cross my fingers and hope it comes out at a reasonable size. Now I'd like to know how to pick and choose that size, and the quality, so I could come up with a result that wasn't a guessing game. Any help would be vastly appreciated.

Thank you

I think it's best to direct you to http://www.videohelp.com/

For dvd you need mpeg2 video at about 8000kbits/sec for good quality - that will give you an hour of video on one 4.3Gbyte dvd

Jon

First a couple of things:

1. DVD only supports one compression format that you'd want to use and that is MPEG2 indeed

2. I'm not sure if Premiere 6.5 already came with an MPEG2 export engine (think it did)

3. You are going to need an authoring application to turn the video (MPEG2) + audio (see below) into a DVD that a player understands

So I need to know if point 2 is true or not and which DVD
authoring application you have (point 3).

Now I believe most new/modern DVD authoring applications can
do the MPEG2 encoding as well and usually have a fit to disc
option where it calculates the correct bitrates to fit your movie
onto the disc.

HOWEVER, 2 hours is taxing for a DVD-R/+R to store in a good
fashion, so quality might be less than what you would like.

With MPEG2 encoding you have two options:

1. constant bitrate encoding (CBR)

2. variable bitrate encoding (VBR)

All encoders support at least CBR and most also support VBR
(usually gives better quality).

For CBR you only have one bitrate and for a 2 hour project 4.5
or 5 mbps should about fill the disc.

VBR is a bit more tricky where you usually have a minimum, average
and maximum bitrate which probably needs to be 0 - 4.5 - 7
or something in this case. These numbers may be a bit off and
as always some experimenting and checking final filesizes might
be in order!

Do NOT encode your audio as MPEG, export the audio seperately
as WAV (uncompressed PCM encoding) or PCM and load that
directly into your DVD authoring application, or use Dolby Digital
AC3 encoding for your audio if Premiere has that (doubtful for
version 6.5).

Hi Neal,

I guess we are all assuming that when you say, "plan on presenting it on DVD" you mean that you want to create a DVD that behaves like a commercial DVD, so people could take their copy and play it on their TV from stand-alone DVD players?

You can use your DVD-R / DVD+R burner to either (1) create computers files of any format (video, Word, whatever), just like with CD-R, or (2) to author a DVD with functionality similar to commercial DVDs, ie, will play on most stand-alone players.

If you just need to create your own copy to do a presentation from computer, or the material can be stored on a company server as one or several video files for people to reference as they wish, method (1) will work fine.

Just choose a file format and codec that works for you, export, burn the file(s) from your hard drive to the DVD, and play them on your computer. Which file format to use involves as much opinion as fact. In the Windows world, I've been pretty pleased with the newer Windows Media (WMV). Looks great and plays well on Win systems at relatively small file sizes. I'd anticipate that with a little experimenting, you could get 2 hours of good quality WMV video on one disc.

If you need method (2), then you do need a separate DVD authoring application.

I'm using PPro 1.5, so my memories of Premiere 6.5 are fading, but I'm 99% sure that it can export MPEG2. Still, Adobe Encore, for one, does exactly as Rob says...it'll import AVI with no muss or fuss. Then once you've created your DVD's menus, chapter points, etc, you can choose your specific MPEG2 settings for the burn.

So, it may be more straightforward to export from Premiere to an AVI file (if possible, uncompressed which would be a HUGE file...you might have to pick a compression codec just to fit it on your hard drive) and then use your DVD authoring application to import. Your authoring app will be certain to burn to DVD-compliant files.

For the actual burn-to-DVD settings, I think Rob has done about as well as can be done without being there to see the output. Especially considering different programs use different transcoders, there just isn't really one set of export settings that'll be best for every DVD-burning project. In general, the higher the data rate, the better the video at the expense of the running time that'll fit on one disc. VBR is generally said to be better than CBR, but harder to calculate. Similarly, 2-pass is said to give better results, but does take a lot longer than 1-pass.

I'd suggest picking a SHORT segment of your video with a lot of complex scenery and/or motion and run that through the whole process to a "disc image" written to your hard drive. Burning DVDs is pretty time consuming; testing things out on a short sample using a hard disk image, rather than actually burning to a DVD, will speed up your experimentation with various setting tremendously. You'll be able to quickly see what works and estimate how big the project is in terms of MB/min.

BTW, if you do use Encore, the manual has a brief but detailed section on calculating final project size, and their web site has great 3-5 minute video tutorials on the whole process, as well as integration with other Adobe apps.

I hope that the combined info from Jon, Rob, and I will be enough to get you through.

Happy Holidays!

Thank you very much for all the help, this has answered all my questions wonderfully!

ive always had an issue with this..

now ive started projects with a 5.1 soundtrack, however i then import a stereo track and thats all good, L/R are working fine.. BUT how the hell do i set it up so i can create keyframed pans and multiple tracks so i can create a 5.1 mix??

Im from the vegas camp and its dead easy to do this, theres no need to go into any menus or anything, i jsut d it on teh timeline.. so if anyone would like to enlighten me on this, that would be great.
Im running Prem Pro 1.5 without any hardware assistance (ie no RTx or Canopus systems)

I am thinking about buying Adobe Premiere Elements.
Premiere Pro is way too high priced. Has anyone any experience or review on Preimere Elements?
Thank you

Here is my concise and informative evaluation into Premiere Elements.....cough ...cough.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32579

Whenever I open up a project in Premiere the program has to "conform" all the clips that I have in the bin for the project. This can take up to 10 to 15 minutes sometimes.

Is this normal? Why does if have to do this each and every time. Also when I export a file to movie it adds the movie to the bin and then has to conform that. I dont get it. It seems like a huge waste of time.

Any thoughts?

I just checked the Adobe forums and there are a couple of complaints similar to yours, but no specific solutions.

I'm no expert on this one, but here's my best understanding:

What's supposed to happen is that during import, any audio that isn't 32 bit and at the same sample rate as the project settings gets automatically conformed to that (which can take some time -- the manual does warn of that) and the conformed audio is then kept as a temp file in a Conformed Audio folder. If your HDDs, or settings for temp files within PPro, don't allow enough room to keep them, or point to the wrong location to get those temp files, PPro will reconform them next time you open the project.

So it is at least worth a try, if you haven't already, to set up a spacious, dedicated location for Adobe temp files, preferably on a separate physical drive from WinXP and PPro, and set the preferences in PPro to always point there. I followed the directions on "maximizing scratch disk performance" and only notice conforming going on during initial import.

I usually choose to not automatically add a file that I'm exporting back to the project anyway, but audio conforming would be another reason not to do that for a big export that you don't actually need back in your project.

Not sure that I'm hitting the nail on the head, but hopefully a start.

Maybe I missed something, but I just shot a bunch of footage today with my friend in 24p 16:9 and captured it with Premiere. I made sure the project was in 24p and everything, but the picture is incredibly jerky. It just looks awful. There's a pan across part of the sky, and it flashes lighter and darker every 4 frames. I thought premiere was able to hand 24p cameras. Am I missing something? Does anyone have any advice?

Need to ask a few questions before I can help much:
- Which version of Premiere are you using?
- If using PPro 1.5:
-- Is this jerkiness visible within Premiere, in exported files (of what type), or both?
-- Which pulldown method did you shoot with, 2:3 or 2:3:3:2?
- If exported files are what are jerky, what software are you using to view them?

Only the latest version of Premiere, PPro 1.5, supports 24p. If you've set PPro to the wrong pulldown, that could cause problems.

Windows Media Player (WMP) does not fully support 24p, at least as it is exported from PPro. Here's a recent thread on that issue:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36753

That thread also points to info I posted on my personal web site about the WMP issue; that info is the limit of my knowledge on WMP.

Let us know a little more info on your hardware and software, and we'll go from there.