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Barry Gribble January 22nd, 2005, 11:41 AM Thanks guys, that was very helpful.
As it turns out, I opened the ttl file in notebook and found that they created it using XML (good move), so I can actually copy the file 50 times and change the titles there, which is much easier for me than doing it in PPRo.
All that work, and the event got snowed out today :(. But it will go on soon, and this will really help. Thanks again.
David Yuen January 22nd, 2005, 02:29 PM Perhaps a useful way to apply the fade in/out process in single mode (not batch mode) is to select the track in which the titles appear (click to the left of the eyeball so that it goes from light gray to dark gray), then press Page Down and Ctrl-D, to jump to the next cut and apply the default transition as the fade out. Pressing Page Up jumps to the previous cut where you can apply the default transition as your fade in.
This is useful if you want to adjust how a particular title fades in and out. Or for the video and audio tracks.
Clint Comer January 22nd, 2005, 08:08 PM Can anyone tell me if they brought this feature back? They took out with the first verion of Pro and I was upset to hear. For those of you who don;t know what this is, it is a feature that makes new movie files of just the stuff you are using. So let's say you captured 10 mins of footage but was only using 5 mins total it would render out new clips of just those 5 mins you were using. It's a great tool once your hard drive starts filling up and you still have tapes to capture.
John Britt January 22nd, 2005, 09:51 PM I haven't had a chance to use the mirrored "mini" scrub bar (the one next to the effects controls), but I will keep that in mind.
I also need to check out the Adobe support forums soon, too, to see what other problems users are having with Pro 1.5
Rich Wong January 22nd, 2005, 11:18 PM I have been trying to edit an MPEG file which was encoded at the 59.94 fps Windows Media standard, and when I export the sequence in Premiere at the NTSC 29.97 fps default, the result is choppy playback. I suspect that every other frame is probably being dropped due to the fps difference.
Is there a way to convert the 59.94 fps rate to 29.97 NTSC and still maintain smooth playback? I have been trying to get this output to be compatible with playback on my TV... Is this even possible?
Pete Bauer January 23rd, 2005, 11:47 AM Hi Dmitry,
Can't help too much -- not familiar with this plug-in and don't get any hits when I search for it. If it costs, money, I'd ask the vendor before buying.
General information on plug-ins is on page 293 of the PPro 1.0 manual; it is only about half a page. One sentence may help,"...many Adobe After Effects plug-ins can be copied into the Adobe Premiere Pro Plug-ins folder to use in your video work." So if you already have the plug-in, just copy it to the PPro plug-in folder and give it a go.
Pete Bauer January 23rd, 2005, 12:28 PM Chris,
I've certainly experienced crackling audio before, using both 6.x and in PPro. In line with the thread that Rob hyperlinked, it was always due to audio clipping...usually when the audio from two or more clips was being output at the same time.
It kind of sounds like that's possibly what's going on in your project, too, since you describe originally being "in the red" and just turning your gain down to avoid it. If so, you have at least three options:
1. Where "combined clipping" occurs, reduce the audio in one or both clips with keyframes or overall gain reduction to keep the sum total below 0dB output (more or less what you did, but you could tweak just the areas where clipping is a problem).
2. Reduce the dynamic range so there isn't so much difference between quiet and loud portions to prevent the loud areas from sneaking some clipping in on you.
3. A combination of 1 and 2.
PPro does have audio effects such as Dynamics and Multi-Band Compression that will very quickly and easily reduce the dynamic range of your audio so you don't have to make the quieter areas TOO quiet to avoid clipping the output of the louder areas. I suspect that if you play with your dynamic range a little bit, you'll find you get results much more like you were expecting and without crackles.
Please do let us know if that helps!
Ronald Lee January 23rd, 2005, 03:28 PM HI there
You know how some TV shows have to blur out the logos or names of products for copyright reasons? How do we do this in Premiere?
Do we have to make our own semi opaque title, or is there one already? I know how to superimpose different sized shapes on the video already.
And if we superimpose on item in the V2 (video2) line, can we further superimpose more things above that? Like, do we have to add more superimpose tracks???
thankx
Dmitry Yun January 23rd, 2005, 05:56 PM Thanks, I'll try that. Sorry I misspelled Frishcluft I think it's actually Frischluft
Pete Bauer January 23rd, 2005, 06:58 PM Ja, ja. Jetzt sehe ich, das Frischluft ist in Aachen, Deutschland.
If you get it, please do let us know if it works in PPro and what you think of the plug-in itself.
Thomas Fraser January 23rd, 2005, 07:18 PM Is there anyway I can copy protect my DVD's that I burn from my footage in Premiere Pro 1.5
Or is there software or a standalone product to use?
Thank you
Steven Gotz January 23rd, 2005, 11:16 PM No. There isn't any way to protect them. Not unless you pay the big bucks to have them glass mastered, and even then it is easy enough to copy the VOB files.
Steven Gotz January 23rd, 2005, 11:18 PM There is a free "Face Blur" tutorial on http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial
Rob Lohman January 24th, 2005, 06:42 AM I suspect your assumption is correct. You are sure this file is in
59.94 frames per second and not fields per second (which is just
interlaced)? What is the source of this movie?
Rob Lohman January 24th, 2005, 07:59 AM Also see the following threads:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37952
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37402
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36942
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25749
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22050
Will Turner January 24th, 2005, 11:41 AM I'm trying to do 5.1 surround using Premiere Pro, Encore DVD and Audition.
Question 1: What audio transcoding should I use in PPro when I export that will keep the 5.1 audio but that Encore will be able to import?
Question 2: Can Encore import and burn a DVD that uses 5.1 audio? If so, what format must the audio be in to be able to import it, AC3, PCM... what?
Questions 3: Will PPro burn video and 5.1 audio to DVD without me having to buy another transcoder (like the surcode demo that came with PPro for $295!)? If so, what settings should I use.
Thank you.
Joshua Provost January 24th, 2005, 12:10 PM Josh, in Windows Media Encoder, there are settings to deinterlace while compressing. Just feed it your finished interlaced AVI file. That seems to do the trick for me.
Arman Bohn January 24th, 2005, 02:43 PM Hey -
I'm shooting my next short on Super8 film at 24p.
My transfer house can only do standard 3:2 pulldown, not the advanced pulldown.
1) Do I need a DVX100 to import 3:2 pulldown footage from my transfer house? It seems any miniDV camera should be able to playback a standard 3:2 pulldown (it's just 60i with a funky repetition of frames..).
2) What am I losing by not using the advanced pulldown? My end product will be a DVD.
3) Should I export my final movie as a 24p timeline from PP1.5 to Encore? Or should I stick with the native DV 29.97? What would look better given the standard 3:2 pulldown?
-a
Joshua Provost January 24th, 2005, 04:24 PM You are losing some quality with the standard 2:3 pulldown.
2:3:3:2 Advanced pulldown ensures that you can recover the original frames as whole frames. The single split frame is discarded.
2:3 Standard pulldown will have frames that are not fully recoverable as full frames. Some of your original frames will be split and compressed jointly, resulting in a quality loss. Some people have reported that those split frames have a noticable brightness difference from the other frames.
If you are a stickler for quality, insist on Advanced pulldown only.
Further, some people edit the footage without removing the pulldown. While this is generally acceptable, split frames may slip through at times, which can foil the deinterlacing in some progressive displays (like plasma screens), and this may be noticable.
Best bet is to remove the pulldown and edit in a 24fps timeline. Output that directly to DVD and let the DVD player recreate pulldown upon playback.
Chris Metts January 24th, 2005, 07:29 PM Thanks Pete!
The Multi-Band and Dynamic effects work really well, I don't have anymore audio cracking! I belive it's the best way to go to fix this problem. I've never been the best at audio so im still trying to figure it all out. I geuss practice makes perfect, thanks for all the info its really helped me alot!
Chris
Rich Wong January 24th, 2005, 08:32 PM It was something I saved off an ATI TV capture card. After tinkering more with Premiere, I'm getting the feeling that it does not have the ability to edit MPEG files correctly...
Adam Rench January 24th, 2005, 10:53 PM Hey all,
I have the HDR-FX1 Sony cam and I'm using Premiere Pro 1.5 w/ the cineform plug-in. I'm able to import the HDV footage and it looks SUPERB in the source/composer windows. I cut it, threw in some transitions and I'm now onto export my clip.
OK, now, I have two problems I'm facing here.
1) When I use the media encoder, I get the error message saying "Audio upmixing is not allowed. Cancelling the operation". I checked the Adobe forums for this and what I found out in the searches was that I'm trying to pump either mono into a stereo sound or, I'm trying to pump stereo sound into 5.1 sound. I'm not trying to do any of that. All I want to do is export the darn thing!! Anyone have any ideas on this?
2) When I uncheck the "audio" checkbox so I don't get that error anymore, everyone of my movies is very choppy. Doesn't matter the res, it can as small as your left mouse button and it will still be choppy. I just can't seem to export it correctly. It looks great in Premiere. Any ideas on this one?
Rob Lohman January 25th, 2005, 04:02 AM 1. to what format are you exporting? (I assume Windows Media / WMV)
2. what codec / template have are you using?
3. any settings you are changing?
Rob Lohman January 25th, 2005, 04:05 AM That may very well be. But if you got it of a TV card it should be
60i (59.94 fields per second = interlaced) and not 59.95 fps (frames
per second).
Why do you think it is 59.94 fps? You can try the free www.virtualdub.org
program to load the mpeg and then export it as uncompressed
AVI. In the end I'm pretty sure you are having a field/framerate
problem.
Which version of Premiere?
Dmitry Yun January 25th, 2005, 09:15 AM Hey guys, good news it works. I tired out the demo and it works nicely.
Adam Rench January 25th, 2005, 12:24 PM <<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : 1. to what format are you exporting? (I assume Windows Media / WMV)
2. what codec / template have are you using?
3. any settings you are changing? -->>>
1. Yeah, I'm trying wmv
2. When exporting, I've chosen many differernt combos for the wmv files. I tried the HD 1080i type, wmv9 60i, and a few others all with the same results
3. I've changed no settings whatsoever. Just basic capture, edit, export.
Adam Rench January 25th, 2005, 12:28 PM Oh, I was able to export to .mov types though. But those were very choppy.
Drew Meinecke January 25th, 2005, 04:12 PM I have a few questions regarding Adobe Video Collection. Is there a way to make an army of about 40-100 look like 800 people? Is there a way to have two clips going so I can have some people entering a "miniature castle"? And is there a way to make arrows on the computer that fly past people?
Terry Lyons January 25th, 2005, 05:22 PM Hi all, my problem is that the still pictures I brought into the timeline from photoshop look great on the timeline little window boxes but in the monitor they only show the center of the picture. Is there a button for this that I don't know about? In premier 6 I havent had this problem. It is in PPro that this is happening. The right window I think it is called source view looks fine it is just the right monitor window that is just showing the centers. The zoom setting is set to fit. Changing the zoom doesnt help. Thanks in advance. TAG
Brent Ray January 25th, 2005, 05:35 PM Here's your problem, your still picture is a larger size than size of the source video (probably 720x480). To fix this problem, you need to select the clip in the timeline, go to the Effect Controls tab, then go to the Motion settings. From there, you have to adjust the Scale setting down until it fits into the entire window.
Hope this helps.
Terry Lyons January 25th, 2005, 08:04 PM Hey Brent thanks for the reply. When I said the right window was source I ment left. Anyway why didnt I have this problem in premier 6? And why does it show ok in two other places but not in the monitor? TAG
Ben Gurvich January 25th, 2005, 09:02 PM Hi,
Im working on a project i shot with an Agus35 and i have had to flip the image introducing another stage of compression. So far i have 1. the dv footage 2. flipped footage 3 Edited Image 4. color corrected and interlaced footage 5.Mpeg2 dvd.
It seems even if i go to uncompressed at step 4 the problem is already present.
I am wondering if there is any dv codec i can use in the future that will lessen the effect. i am using microsoft btw, also, can i use some sort of noise reduction to minimize the problem or will that just make it worse?
This brings me to the question how many times hdv can be recompressed without getting the same results?
Cheers,
Ben
Aaron Shaw January 25th, 2005, 10:25 PM You could render out to an uncompressed AVI file before doing anything to the footage. You wouldn't loose any data that way.
Brent Ray January 25th, 2005, 11:13 PM Not exactly sure. It seems like it was just random change. Premiere 6 automatically resized the stills to fit the monitor window; Premiere Pro keeps the actual size of the image. I assume it shows the full image in the timeline preview boxes and the source window just so you can see what image you are working with before you actually view it at full resolution. Like I said, just a change from older versions. Personally, I like how PPro handles it better, but it's really just a personal preference.
Ben Gurvich January 26th, 2005, 02:33 AM What is uncompressed like to work with? is it slower because he filesare bigger, or will it perform nicely?
Rob Lohman January 26th, 2005, 03:34 AM The only thing I can think of is that the audio resolution is changing.
I don't know if the FX1 captures audio in 44.1 or 48 kHz for example,
but it might be that when you are exporting it is trying to do:
44.1 -> 48
-or-
48 -> 44.1
for example. I've had massive problems in earlier versions of
Premiere with such conversions (one of the main reasons I left
the platform) but I understood such things should work fine with
the newer Premiere versions. However, perhaps the encoder is
having such a problem?
Check your project settings and audio tracks to see what format
they are in. Make sure it is the same. Also make sure the audio
output is in the same bit depth (12 or 16 bit etc.) and sampling
frequency (44.1 or 48 kHz for example).
That's the best thing I can come up with.....
Rob Lohman January 26th, 2005, 04:01 AM Certainly three questions, however they don't have much to do
with the Adobe Video Collection. Let's break it down:
1. more people
This is known as crowd replication. This is quite easy to do if you
shoot a crowd in front of a green or bluescreen and then resize
the footage down and manually place it around the screen.
However it is very difficult to do realistically (that's why the big
boys use heavy 3D animation and rendering to do it pretty good).
2. people entering
Basically same process as above. Shoot your actors in front of a
blue or greenscreen and then resize the footage and map it on
the miniature castle footage. Again difficult to do realistically, but
not as much as crowd replication.
3. arrows flying
This requires the same technique as above if you can shoot arrows
flying, otherwise you will need to do it with a 3D program which
can be very difficult to get looking good.
In the end all of this takes lots of practice and testing to get the
looks good. You need the ability to do basic compositing and croma
keying (removing a blue or greenscreen) which Premiere Pro 1.5
can do (whether good enough also depends on your footage).
The hard things will be believable lighting with your green or
bluescreen, the chromakeying and the compositing.
Rob Lohman January 26th, 2005, 04:25 AM It will be slower since your harddisk usually can't keep up.
Uncompressed NTSC @ 0.9 pixel aspect will be:
720 x 480 x 3 (RGB) x 30 (fps) = 31,104,000 bytes per second
or: 30 MB/s.
So 60 seconds (one minute) of footage costs you 1800 MB or 1.75 GB!
Ben Gurvich January 26th, 2005, 04:46 AM is this what most people do?
Terry Lyons January 26th, 2005, 09:02 AM Thanks Brent, at least I can go and resize the 131 photos knowing there's not just a button or something that I didnt push. Hey thats how you learn right? Thanks again I sure appreciate it. TAG
Ed Smith January 26th, 2005, 10:58 AM When you are using the zoom feature in the motion control window, you can also use the program monitor to resize the image.
So, on your picture select the motion control option. Then on the program monitor (right hand side), some handles should appear around the frame of the monitor. Simply click and drag on one so that the image is resized to fit the screen.
Cheers,
Ed Smith January 26th, 2005, 11:03 AM Hi Will,
In order to export a 5.1 surround mix I beleive it needs to be AC3 audio. PP lets you have 2 goes at doing this, after which you have to purcahse the plugin to continue using it.
Encore should be able to accept AC3 audio, also Premiere should be able to burn directly from the timeline to DVD.
PCM audio is a high quality stereo audio file (It does not contain 5.1)
Thanks,
Adam Rench January 26th, 2005, 11:27 AM Cool man. I'll check those out.
You know what.. I have sorensen squeeze 4. Can I export from Premiere using squeeze? Or, maybe I could render out an uncompressed avi and then use squeeze to convert to wmv maybe?
Graham Hickling January 26th, 2005, 12:25 PM Just to confirm Ed's points.
5.1 audio on a DVD is usually AC3 (or occasionally DTS). But PCM is only stereo.
Premiere Pro cannot encode to AC3 itself - it can only do so only through the Surcode Plugin which costs (!) extra.
There is no technical problem in using a separate program to encode your audio. For example, you can easily export 6 separate wav files from premiere, encode those with a separate encoder, and then pull the resulting AC3 file back into Encore which will mux it back together with your video stream. All of the commercial encoders are costly because of licencing, but there is this: http://dspguru.notrace.dk/
Be aware that there are various flavors of AC3. Some low-end DVD authoring packages advertise that they "encode to AC3" but its stereo (2.0) not surround (5.1) AC3 that they produce.
Glenn Chan January 26th, 2005, 01:05 PM Another way to do this:
Shoot many takes, with the people walking down one side of the screen, then another part of the scene, then another. In post production, you can combine all the takes.
I think the problem with that is there's going to be a gap between the actors in the different takes. If you don't want the gap then you can get the actors/extras to be closer together and you may have to rotoscope (very time consuming). You will also need an effects supervisor while shooting to make sure you avoid problems that would take a lot of effort to fix in post. You may also be able to capture into a laptop and quickly throw together the effect to see if it's working.
I'm not too sure on the exact details of this as I have never done it. However I do know it's done on some high-end commercials.
Pete Bauer January 26th, 2005, 01:19 PM Thanks for letting us know! Glad your problem was solved, and at the same time I'm pleased to learn of the plug-in.
David Yuen January 26th, 2005, 01:56 PM New feature highlights (http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/pdfs/premierepro_nfhs.pdf)
Clint Comer January 27th, 2005, 06:41 AM SWEET!!
Thanks a lot man.
Drew Meinecke January 27th, 2005, 10:00 AM I’m very new to all of this and I’m not really following it, can I do all of those things with the Adobe Video Collection software? And is there a website that explains all of these things?
Will Turner January 27th, 2005, 11:01 AM Thank you, gentlemen. I've tried BeSweet, but it will not open a file exported from PPro unless I break up the 5.1 into 6 separate files. However, I've read widely that after BeSweet converts those 6 files into AC3 the result is 5.1 audio at a very low volume level, so I have not gone that route.
I will try the link you suggested: http://dspguru.notrace.dk/
Thank you.
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