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Nic Brown
August 8th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I'm going to try that out tonight. I knew there was no reason that they'd make one of its functions worse.

Christopher Lefchik
August 8th, 2005, 07:43 PM
The audio mixer allows you to follow through your timeline and use tools such as the write, read, latch and touch tools. With these all you need to do is adjust the volume control and it will do the same thing as the pen tool and keyframes. I never used any older versions of Premiere but for what I understand the audio in 1.5 surpasses all previous versions.
Premiere 6 also had the audio mixer. I do agree Premiere Pro has more audio capabilities and features than previous versions. Personally, though, when I have to make adjustments to the audio level I prefer to use the pen tool and keyframes, as I feel I can be more precise than using the audio mixer.

Christopher Lefchik
August 8th, 2005, 07:46 PM
No. Then again, I've had a couple big projects before the 1.5.1 update that took quite awhile to load.

Jesse Parsh
August 9th, 2005, 07:34 AM
Does anyone know if I can use a third party avi to mpeg encoder for PP and Encore? If I export an avi file out of Premiere and convert it to mpeg and put it into Encore will it be the same as if I had used the Adobe encoder or will it have a different reaction?

Christopher Lefchik
August 9th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Yes, you can use third party encoders to make your MPEG-2 files and then import them into Encore DVD. People do it all the time. Encore DVD doesn't care what you use to make your MPEG-2 files, as long as they meet DVD specs (bitrate isn't to high, etc).

Also, if you use Canopus ProCoder, which has an encoding plugin for Premiere Pro, then you wouldn't have to go through the process of exporting an avi and then running it through the encoder. You could encode directly from within Premiere Pro using the ProCoder engine.

Christopher Lefchik
August 9th, 2005, 08:12 AM
One thing you would lose by using a third party encoding tool instead of exporting an MPEG-2 file from Premiere Pro using the Adobe Encoder is the ability to set DVD chapter marks in the Premiere timeline that are then imported into Encore DVD. This probably isn't such a big deal for shorter projects, but for longer movies it is definitely a nice feature.

I don't know if the ProCoder Premiere Pro plugin can recognize and export Premiere's timeline marks as chapter marks.

Hugh DiMauro
August 9th, 2005, 08:53 AM
Thanks, Chris. My projects are getting larger by the day.

Jesse Parsh
August 9th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Great to know. Thanks for the quick responses, it's great to have a place to go with so much information floating around.

Gordon Edge
August 10th, 2005, 08:18 AM
Ed,

Can this crash recording approach be made to work on HD material via firewire?

My problem is that even though I have rendered the timeline, taking 2.5 hours in this particular case, when I export to tape the rendering starts all over again from the beginning.

Gordon

Greg Jacobson
August 11th, 2005, 03:40 PM
I simply cannot export grabs in widescreen format. They always end up as 4:3.

What is the trick?

Steven Gotz
August 11th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Tell the setup portion what size you want. If you want to edit in Photoshop, then 720X480 is correct, but using a Pixel Aspect Ratio of 1.2

If you want to edit in just about any other program, you will want to use square pixels and use a size of 864X480

If you want some smaller size for a web page, then try something like 480X270

Allen Lu
August 11th, 2005, 10:07 PM
I was testing out the Sony Premium Tapes in the JVC camcorder to see if it actually made any difference (btw no, it didnt).

I found that Premiere's rendering of the video is much sharper and cleaner than a straight capture from JVC HD capture util. I thought that the HD capture util provides the raw-est form in m2t? Am I just imagining things and what Im really looking at is a softened image? I just tried it tonight and can't really tell as its dark.

Hugh DiMauro
August 12th, 2005, 12:45 PM
I have a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy II 5.1 Surround Sound card on my motherboard that worked flawlessly with Vegas but with Premiere Pro 1.5 sound only comes out of the two front speakers. Funny thing: When I first loaded Premiere Pro 1.5 on my comp the sound played fine on all surround speakers. Now suddenly it only works on the front two speakers. I have the sound card configured properly in my preferences dialog box. Is there a tweak or some sort of additional setting I need to make in order to hear the sound come out of all surround speakers?

Oh, and the card is ocnfigured correctly through Windows XP.

Jesse Parsh
August 13th, 2005, 06:42 AM
I have After Effects 6.5 pro, I was thinking about getting Magic Bullet but I was wondering is this a seperate program or does plug in just mean that it adds to what is in AE? I know that that's what plug ins are but I did not know if that is all this program does. Also, does anyone have MB and think it's worth getting?

Christopher Lefchik
August 13th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Yes, the Magic Bullet Suite for After Effects is a plugin - actually a collection of 18 plugins. I've never used Magic Bullet, so I can't speak from experience. However, I think the usefulness of Magic Bullet depends on what you want to do. Are you just interested in the "film treatments" looks (i.e, the library of 55 looks inspired by such films as The Matrix, Traffic, Three Kings, Amelie, and Saving Private Ryan)? I've heard that you can recreate these looks yourself by using standard color correction tools. But if you want to add 24p motion artifacts, and use some of the other tools in the suite that may have features not included in After Effects, then Magic Bullet could well be a good investment for you. Just beware of the render times. I have a feeling you're going to be waiting a very long time to see the results of the Magic Bullet plugins.

Christopher Lefchik
August 13th, 2005, 12:14 PM
I have the sound card configured properly in my preferences dialog box.
I assume you mean the sound preferences inside Premiere Pro?

Also, have you checked to make sure the speaker wires didn't somehow accidentally get pulled loose?

EDIT: By the way, if you loaded all the Creative software that came with your card there may be a Creative speaker configuration utility tucked away somewhere, in addition to the built-in Windows XP speaker configuration. You might want to dig around some more and see if you can find something like that.

Christopher Lefchik
August 13th, 2005, 12:22 PM
Here's a FAQ from over on the Adobe boards dealing with audio: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@78.2TO2esGoQyG.4@.2cd0ad7c

While it is dealing with no audio whatsoever coming out of Premiere Pro, while you still have audio coming out of two speakers, it might have some helpful troubleshooting steps non-theless.

Jesse Parsh
August 14th, 2005, 09:19 PM
I am trying to make a mask that follows along with the shape as it moves. I know this has to be possible but I can't seem to find out how to do it. For example, I masked out someones eyes and as the head moves the black just stays still and does not follow the eyes. Anyone out there know how to do this?

Steven Gotz
August 14th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Study up on "Motion Tracking"

Jesse Parsh
August 15th, 2005, 05:37 AM
Thanks, I had no idea what to even look for.

Hugh DiMauro
August 15th, 2005, 08:17 AM
I downloaded the most up-to-date drivers and the problem is solved.

HOWEVER...

Now I noticed something new! One of my sound clips on the timeline only shows a mono waveform when, at one time, it showed a stereo waveform and it was recorded stereo on a Canon GL 1 with the on-board mic (by somebody else). Only the top half of the timeline sound clip shows a waveform. The bottom part of the clip shows a smooth line. The sound is only coming from the left front and right rear surround speakers. I know that just screams crossed plugs but I do have the color codes correctly (orange to orange, green to green etc). I know it's probably just a simple menu click but can somebody point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

Hugh DiMauro
August 15th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Is there a 16 X 9 mask in PPro 1.5 like with Vegas 6?

In vegas you just opened the clip in the PAN/CROP tool and used the drop down menu for LETTERBOX where it masks the top and bottom of the 4 X 3 frame.

Hugh DiMauro
August 15th, 2005, 10:27 AM
Can I deinterlace video with PPro 1.5 for a final, rendered output to either 30p or 24p?

Mike Teutsch
August 15th, 2005, 11:10 AM
Can I deinterlace video with PPro 1.5 for a final, rendered output to either 30p or 24p?


Right click on the clip itself, then select field option. Not sure if this is what you need, but thought I would let you know about it.


Mike

Ed Smith
August 15th, 2005, 11:56 AM
Hi Hugh,

This sort of question has appeared before, please try our search.

if you open up title designer and open up the template drop down list, if you select matte, you whould find a 16x9 matte which you can use.

Hope this helps,

Hugh DiMauro
August 16th, 2005, 06:28 AM
Thanks Ed. Sorry for my redundancy. Guilty as charged.

Hugh DiMauro
August 16th, 2005, 06:30 AM
I saw that but I wasn't sure if my video de-interlaced at render. I will experiment nonetheless. Thanks for the help!

Ed Smith
August 16th, 2005, 09:24 AM
We're all lazy from time to time...

Hope the search helped,

Patrick Jenkins
August 17th, 2005, 12:53 PM
If you have the field options deint turned on, it'llexport like that. You can also turn on the deinterlacer when you export - bypassing any of the field options (though I don't tink you can globally turn it if off if it's already turned on per clip).

Erica Concolino
August 18th, 2005, 12:12 AM
I have recently put adobe premiere pro on my home computer, and am encountering a major problem!!!(I have used the software before, and am pretty familiar with its uses, but not on my own computer)

For some unknown reason, when I play a clip through the timeline, all that appears on the monitor is a black screen. However, when I double click a selection in the timeline, the clip plays on the monitor. As soon as I click anything in the timeline though, the monitor displays the black screen. Oddly enough, the audio plays fine either way. I don't know if there is something that I need to configure, or what is wrong, but this is rendering the program useless! Also, on a sidenote, any time I export a frame, or a movie, it just shows a black screen. I'm sure the issues are related, but this is very frustrating, and I am not sure if it is something that is hardware related or a software issue.

If anyone can help me troubleshoot this, your time and effort is much appreciated!

Erica

Kent Metschan
August 19th, 2005, 11:57 AM
I am running a Pentium 3.06 GHz/1 GB of RAM and my render times on Pro 1.0 are decent but slow. If I build a new computer with dual processors will that make a huge difference? I don't know anyone with dual processors so I'm just trying to understand if it will be twice the speed or only like 1.5 times. Thanks.

Marco Wagner
August 19th, 2005, 03:51 PM
You will get a NICE boost in performance, but not 2x. I'd totally guess at saying about 40%. It may be less, it may be more. I am sure it would depend on what was being rendered and how intense any effects, transitions, etc. are.

I have a similar setup and also am looking into dual core heaven. I'll post more if I find anyone using PPRO and 2x chips.

Marco Wagner
August 19th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Did you check to make sure that you have not disabled the video itself on the timeline. You know the little "eye" on the left side.....

Pete Bauer
August 19th, 2005, 05:02 PM
The next likely thing is video card driver in need of update.

If neither Marco's nor my suggestion help, next I'd be thinking about codecs. If you have a missing or corrupt codec on your system, this sort of thing could happen. For instance, I used to use a Canopus card so any AVI's captured with that can't be viewed on a machine without the codec.

Marco Wagner
August 19th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Just read this article. (below) You may want to consider AMD or waiting it out until both companies get the bugs and bottlenecks out of the first few builds. Give time for the MB manufacturers to release a few bios patches etc.


http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25499

David Yuen
August 19th, 2005, 09:46 PM
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/200508011/index.html

Henry Cho
August 20th, 2005, 09:18 AM
in after effects, i don't believe you can apply motion tracking to a mask... create a new solid, create your mask on the solid, apply motion tracking to this layer, and then use the solid layer as a track matte for your footage.

Pete Bauer
August 20th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Henry, that's a really nice, succinct how-to!
Jesse, not sure which version of AE you have, but Motion Tracking is included with AE Pro, but not in AE Standard.

Saturnin Kondratiew
August 21st, 2005, 01:48 PM
ok, u know how when u watch VH1 Behind the music or any other documentary on A&E etc....they always put photographs and they scroll on them..either up and down or left to right...can that effect be achieved in premiere pro or has to be done in afftereffects.....and how to do it.
thanx guys...

Patrick Smith
August 21st, 2005, 03:26 PM
First Question:
I just exported a video I just made, and the when the actual clip sound effects and the song i used are used the same time in one clip, it gets all distorted and sounds like the volume is peaking out...

how can i fix so that the volume doesn't do this...

Second Question:
I want to export the video for my buddies website. The only problem is that i want the quality to be the best it can be, while trying to keep the file of the movie near or under 100mb, so downloading the video wont take forever.

{here is the video in windows media}
http://www.torquevm.com/video/mattdrift.wmv

Steven Gotz
August 21st, 2005, 03:50 PM
Use the Audio Mixer meters to ensure that your audio never hits anywhere newar zero. -6 would be as loud as most people would go.

Patrick Smith
August 21st, 2005, 03:57 PM
That being said, and fixed, all i need to know now is my exporting question...

a walk thru would also be nice for that :)

Mathieu Ghekiere
August 21st, 2005, 04:20 PM
Hello,

I shot my project in frame mode on the xl1s.
Now, for the first time ever, I exported my project in mpeg2 (later to be used for the dvd) with premiere pro. Before this, I encoded to mpeg2 with Pinacle Studio DV.

Now, if I export it (it's PAL) and I put the settings to 25fps and I just let it stand on the standard setting (I believe lower field first, in the Field Order), if I then look at the final result, it looks nice, but I see horizontal lines. They aren't so very noticable, but you can see them.
I know the difference between 25p and 50i, so that isn't the problem. It didn't look like the normal interlacing lines. I think it's sort of the interlacing lines, but because they don't have to be refreshed (because it's 25p, not 50i) that you can see them, but it aren't like the usual interlacing lines.
So I thought: I'll put the field order once in Progressive, instead of lower fields first, because the project is kind of progressive (kind of, frame mode PAL).
When I saw the trailer then again, the lines were gone, it looked nice and normal, no horizontal lines.

Now is my question: putting it in progressive was indeed the right choice, so I know now how to do it, but I want to know why, and whyu I saw those horizontal lines. I already said, my guess is because it were like the interlaced lines, but because they weren't being refreshed, they didn't look like the normal interlaced lines (those very tin ones).
So my question is: is my assumption right, or am I just rambling some awkward mess here, and if so, what is the right answer?
Thanks,

Steven Gotz
August 21st, 2005, 07:05 PM
Experiment. Go to 2048K and see how that suits you. If not high enough quality, increase it a bit more. Use VBR and it usually reduces file size a bit.

Henry Cho
August 21st, 2005, 07:19 PM
hi patrick...

if you're trying to get your two-hour feature in a 100MB download with reasonable quality, it just isn't going to happen. you said your target filesize was 100MB, but you didn't indicate how long it was.

a dedicated compression program like canopus procoder, sorenson squeeze, or discreet cleaner would be nice. a dedicated compression program is faster, and in my experience, infintely more stable. also, the beauty of some of the standalone compression apps is that they give you a lot of additional options, like the ability to color-correct for the compression. video compression can wash-out colors, and these apps allow you to bump up saturation levels without messing with the original video. if you don't have any of these programs (they can be a little pricey), the plugin encoder will suffice.

your walkthrough:

file --> export --> adobe media encoder

everything else after that is pretty subjective, determined by your target audience and personal preferences.

since this is for the web, choose quicktime, windows media, real, or mpeg1 from the "format" pulldown. every one of these options, with the probable exception of mpeg1, will be a pain in the butt for someone out there. windows users will need the quicktime plugin to see the quicktime, mac users will have to download and install wmp to see wmv's. etc. needless to say, you're not limited to compressing to one format. many sites offer both a quicktime and windows media viewing option.

then, based on your choice, choose an appropriate preset. i would stick with the presets for now. if you do a lot of this kind of work, you will eventually need to tweak these settings (particularly for audio), but i find they're appropriate most of the time. important thing here is the bitrate. the higher the bitrate, the cleaner the compression at the expense of lower filesize. simple as that. it's all math - a 1MB per second compression preset will be approximately 1MB per second. if you're kicking out video for dial-up, select one of the dial-up presets. when we compress for broadband, we usually go 384kbps.

also keep in mind that two of the biggest factors in getting video sizes down is frame size and frame rate. obviously, the smaller the dimensions of the video and the lower the frame rate, the smaller the filesize will be.

you should familiarize yourself with format/compression options. just take a minute of video and export with various formats and presets -- you'll start getting a feel for which ones you deem acceptable for your purpose before you encode your actual file.

Neil Fisher
August 21st, 2005, 07:28 PM
easy. simply import the pic. then add it to the timeline and stretch to the needed duration. then using the motion settings zoom in about 150% and then just change the location points.

Saturnin Kondratiew
August 21st, 2005, 07:33 PM
bah that's simple..heheh....i thoguth it woudl have been more elaborate...
thanx man

Clint Comer
August 22nd, 2005, 01:52 AM
Ok I am using Premiere Pro 1.5 and am having some issues with my xvid movies. The project is a 24p widescreen project as is the footage. The entire thing has a color filter on it from magic bullet. Now I have rendered out plenty of footage using pretty much the exact same setup with no problems. However when I render out my avi form this project the movie has sound but no video. And before that it would have video but start to tweak out with some random blocks and traces from previous frames. As for the xvid setting, all default except for the aspect ratio being changed to 16x9. Also I am rendering from a external HD using USB 2.0. What are some things to look for that I might be haaving a conflict with? Some things that I will start to change is the amount of video tracks I am using. I have video layed across 4-5 tracks. Then I will try taking off the magic bullet and see if that does it. Like I said before, I have rendered out plenty of movies form similar projects before, there's just something that is hanging this one up. Any thoughts?

Patrick Smith
August 22nd, 2005, 08:23 AM
its only about 3 or 4 mins. you can view the video above to get an idea.

Mo Zee
August 22nd, 2005, 10:44 AM
i have some footage shot in 24p xl2 2332. since i also have some 30p footage i decided to edit in 30i. now, the 24p footage used to have to be rendered. i reformatted because of an unrelated prolem, and when i reopened the project, the 24p footage did not have to be rendered. however, the "extra" frame as a result of the pulldown is now interlaced. i captured new footage, and like before, it needs to be rendered, and the "extra" frame is progressive. is this a problem? when the edit is finished, i will make movie using 30p. any help appreciated. so do i have to recapture the old footage? thanks.

both old and new clips captured using a jvc sr deck (i think). not that it should matter (i think).

ppro 1.5, canopus storm2pro, canopus 48khz widescreen preset.